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  1. The mute feature works great for Snooter-who I think is on some sort of drugs with some of the shit he comes up with. I've discovered that he adds 0 to any conversation, so no big deal if I don't see it.
    5 points
  2. I understand the desire for higher ATPs and lower incentives with lower volume, but what I don’t understand is why they cheap out on the interior. It’s counter intuitive. Maybe they’re hedging their bets in case they have to lower prices later or maybe they’re just hoping buyers won’t care.
    3 points
  3. what kind of sales is ford expecting for the new escape? Depending on what the baby bronco ends up looking like, I could totally see it selling more than the escape. My wife has had 2 escapes, 2nd and 3rd gen, and by far the 2nd gen styling was her favorite. She didn’t care for the new model at all. Ford got this wrong two ways. They think that if they make the escape more car like, the old car customers would buy it. I think car customers will just go to another brand who sells cars because they want a car, not a cuv. People who buy suv/cuvs buy them because they like the characteristics of an suv/cuv (style, ride height, etc). If you take those characteristics away in favor of making it more car like, you’ve now alienated your suv/cuv customers.
    3 points
  4. 350 hp in an E-Series. Three hundred and fifty horsepower in an E-Series. (Insert appropriate 'back in my day' quote about 1980s engines.)
    3 points
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  7. I have bought Fords and Lincolns from the same dealership and from the same salesperson and sales manager for many years. I do not expect to be treated differently when I buy a Ford vs. when I buy a Lincoln. I expect top notch treatment either way and I have always gotten it. I don't quite understand why buying a Ford, whether it is a $80,000 F150 King Ranch or a $35,000 Escape should be an inferior experience compared to buying a Lincoln. Before Ford sold Jaguar, I considered an XJ and visited a stand-alone Jag dealer. The sales rep was knowledgeable and the store was nice but I can't say the overall experience was much different than dealing on a Ford. I had a similar experience when looking at Volvos at their stand-alone dealership. Bottom line for me is that the people make the difference. I do not expect a salesperson to have all the answers but I expect decent product knowledge and 100% honesty. I expect to be treated as a valued and respected customer. If those things are missing, the quality of the customer lounge or how fresh their snacks are doesn't mean a thing to me.
    2 points
  8. Might also have something to do with fiscal year timing. I don't know about the po-leese, but when I worked for a state agency, our fiscal year ran from July 1-June 30. Our spending on bigger projects tended to happen more in late spring/early summer, when the budget situation was more solid (you didn't have to worry, f'rinstance, about a sudden spike in winter energy costs knocking a big hole in your available funds).
    2 points
  9. The rollout of the Ranger was also deliberately slow.
    2 points
  10. The literature I saw had a 300 hp 7.3 option for the E Series, that must be the fuel efficiency version your highlighted passage was referring to. I saw 300 hp and 350 hp versions for E Series and 350 hp and 430 hp versions for F53 & F59.
    2 points
  11. No, this is "Very Tesla-esque".... ...and this.
    2 points
  12. Well, your wife at least understands..good choice
    1 point
  13. GT500 powered Bronco? That's what I got from that *starts ridiculous rumor to see what happens*
    1 point
  14. By themselves the Business case for a Bronco Raptor, Ranger Raptor and Everest Raptor couldn’t be made and that would have been the end of it right there except it wasn’t........
    1 point
  15. Agreed. Using zip code 20164, that Escape #24924 A/Z Plans out at $27, 357, including destination & $1000 in incentives.
    1 point
  16. Thats not how I read that. They’re saying that includes all normal rebates and incentives and discounts but you may ALSO qualify for military or college grad rebates. Hard to tell for sure though without seeing the detailed price.
    1 point
  17. Compact CUV is the most important segment in the market. If Ford was really losing money on Escape, they probably shouldn't be a car company. Maybe they wouldn't need to de-content and discount and squeeze the margin if their product was fresh like Honda and Toyota. It's really unfathomable that Ford left Escape on the market virtually unchanged for 7, almost 8 years. But I think I'm preaching to the choir ?
    1 point
  18. I think they’re targeting the Focus buyers which makes sense to a degree but Focus was also a lot cheaper.
    1 point
  19. Thanks. I didn’t even bother having them re-do the PDI. This is my fifth Lincoln purchase from this dealer in six years and I can honestly say their PDI people are completely out to lunch. extremely laid back and great to deal with but not great at the attention to detail. It’s a rural dealership that just doesn’t get the Lincoln customer I think. I would still recommend the Aviator hands down. Fully loaded it’s a fantastic bargain compared to its rivals in the luxury space.
    1 point
  20. The diesel also having engine braking factors into the braking test on J2807, so that probably accounts for some of the increase in capacity.
    1 point
  21. Ah yes, Fisker The company that just won't die. Along with Faraday Future and Elio Motors
    1 point
  22. He did not ESCAPE...he went ROUGE.
    1 point
  23. My apologies, I thought the conversation above was discussing the $10K upcharge for the 6.7 diesel, not if the 7.3 was stronger than the 6.2. I've never been in Marketing or Sales, so I've never learned the "art" of the spin. HRG
    1 point
  24. Here's a crazy idea for Bronco V8, what if the engineering costs could be split across two other vehicles, things that once seemed impossible then become possible because the potential audience widens.
    1 point
  25. Great news, thanks for sharing. My biggest concern is that this will not end well for Escape, glad to be proven wrong.....
    1 point
  26. We were told at a recent meeting that we are going to go hard on selling the 2020 Explorer XLTs, supposedly towards the end of the 1st quarter. They said they plan on selling about 80,000 more Explorers in 2020 than in 2019. So you’re looking at them getting back to 250,000 Explorers this year. That was an absolute commitment that they were serious about. As for Escape, they basically indicated that the Escape has moved up market in pricing and that they expected sales to shrink with that change. Looks like they don’t plan on going as volume crazy on Escape. They admitted they overproduced the 2019 Escape. It was quite the cluster to hear this. The Escape matters but I’m puzzled because it doesn’t seem like there’s a plan and there are no decent programs on it. They expect about 150,000 Bronco Sports annually once production with that gets up and running.
    1 point
  27. I've been looking at Super Duties because I'm looking at towing some stuff that's beyond my F-150s performance envelope, but I don't particularly want a diesel as a daily driver. There's no way I could justify the added purchase, fuel, and maintenance costs, and the gassers would do fine with the hauling I need to do.
    1 point
  28. Ford losing momentum in SUVs is largely due to the fact that it left those models unchanged for far too long. You can't snap the momentum with new versions if the base line sales had deteriorated so much in the waning years of previous gen. It will take concerted effort for Ford to build up Escape again since it fell out of people's consideration list. Most people lease these SUVs and they churn them every 24 or 36 months. Ford's idiotic 7 year model cycle means people aren't coming back for the same looking Escape twice or three times... CR-V, RAV4, and Equinox all got two brand new model change overs in the same time span as the previous gen The new Escape is going to take time to regain market share but it may not be able to reach the heights that previous gen reached. But if Ford can stick to 5 year model cycle like its competitors, maybe there is hope for next gen Escape to build on the momentum of the current gen.
    1 point
  29. You would buy a 7.3 over a 6.7 IF you need the power on the occasions when you use the truck. That is if you are not a high mileage operator that will pay off the diesel premium on the basis of your annual mileage and its likely better mpg numbers the 6.7 is NOT a good deal for you. There are plenty of operators in class 4-7 who load to the max on occasion but don't run a lot of miles to justify the 6.7's better mpg numbers. Key will be just how economical is the 7.3 in terms of fuel consumption. Based on that low end torque it appears the 7.3 puts out, it would seem a competent driver will do well with it. It like the Ecoboost question. Some have said it should be called .."Eco or boost" -because you can't have all that power AND economy. I say you can-drive it with a light foot and it will lug down and pull in a higher gear at low RPM. Want to put your foot in it? Be prepared to see your mpg drop.
    1 point
  30. Mike Levine says Ford sold more raptors than Chevy sold corvettes.
    1 point
  31. ford needs a new grille. That one has been played out already. I’m surprised that the equinox sold that much. I’d take the new escape over the equinox.
    1 point
  32. I don't remember saying that at all actually. It looks more like an evolution of the current one with a little more of the 15-18 Focus in it. Now that I think about it, it may not have actually been NG Edge at all, the proportions I remember (don't have the image anymore) don't seem like an Edge-type vehicle.
    1 point
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  34. For many months last year, some were lamenting the slow sales start for the Ranger. Now, I see in December Ford sold over 14,000 Rangers. I agree with Kirby, way too early to pass judgement on the Escape or Explorer. Let's have this discussion in July.
    1 point
  35. That's only one region and I don't think they had massive incentives on the 2020s. On the website it says $2K rebate just announced - I don't know what it was before. I'm not saying it is or it isn't a problem - I'm just saying it's too early to tell either way.
    1 point
  36. We had this discussion before. You're completely ignoring dividends. Ford pays a nice one. For an old guy like me, dividends make up a large part of my yearly income.
    1 point
  37. F series + Ranger - 986k for 2019 vs 910k for F series in 2018. Very little (if any) cannibalization of F150 sales by Ranger. Excellent showing by Ranger given the option limitations.
    1 point
  38. Since its 2020, might as well update this: CY 2020 2021 F-150 and F-150 Hybrid 2021 Bronco Family-Spring 2020 unveiling 4 Door Bronco-Late Fall/Early Winter (possible Job 1 Dec 7) 2 Door Bronco-Late Fall/Early Winter (possible Job 1 Dec 7) Baby Bronco-Summer/Fall 2020 2021 Mustang Refresh/hybrid? Seems like I'm missing something here-the SD is technically a 2019 release since its in production already. CY 2021 2021 Mustang Mach E-Spring release 2022 F-150 BEV 2022 Fusion Crossover-Spring/Summer 2021? Baby Bronco\compact Pickup-Spring/Summer 2021? Transit Connect refresh-Spring/Summer 2021? Hermosillo production starts 2022 Bronco Sport Trac/Pickup-Might be shown off during Bronco launch? 2022 Ranger? Future Products past CY 2021 New Mustang on CD6 Mid sized CUV BEV for Lincoln and Ford Rivan based SUV/Pickup For Lincoln and Ford, respectively Small BEV based on VW platform (EU) Edge and Nautilus replacements "Affordable" Ford Product ?
    1 point
  39. @sho94_2000 What he is saying is that your IP address resolves back to the same IP address that a banned user used. Might be a coincidence, but consider yourself warned since I haven't bothered to check the older messages to see if they are similar to yours. But from your posts you seem to be a borderline troll...
    1 point
  40. I was about to just say that-the show starts June 15th if I'm not mistaken. As for timelines- The latest rumor has it that the Baby Bronco will go to Hermosillo (along with Transit Connect and TC based compact pickup), not the other plant building the Mach E. I haven't seen an end of production date for the MKZ or Fusion yet...so when that happens, that will be a very clear indication when the Baby Bronco is ready. I'm assuming that is going to happen in May or so, and the Baby Bronco will start hitting the lots in October. The full size Bronco will start production very late in the Summer (September/October) and we might see it by years end, but I'm thinking it will show up next January in Dealer lots. If the Baby Bronco is shown off first, the "full sized" Bronco needs to be shown off also. Ford might just show the Baby Bronco and Bronco together and show off a limited range topper like the Bronco R at the NAIAS instead, just to keep excitement levels up for it. The upside to all of this is that is happening in the next 180 days or less...so there is light at the end of the tunnel after waiting nearly 3 1/2 years for it.
    1 point
  41. https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-ranger-mustang-v8-engine Please sweet baby Jesus, let this come to the Bronco; in the name of the 5.0 and the Holy Raptor, Amen ?
    1 point
  42. The reason they changed from 1.6L to 1.5L is due to European displacement regulations.
    1 point
  43. The 1.5 is 95% the same as the 1.6. They changed the head to stop the cracks and installed a water to air intercooler. Still has a timing belt, look identical on the bench once the intake and exhaust have been removed. Ford claims most of the issue is powertrain software calibration. There is a program to reprogram Escapes with the hopes that it stops them from popping. I'm not sure how it will, but it is out there.
    1 point
  44. IF I have the issue with my Fusion and decide to stick with a sedan, I'm finally going to be a Toyota convert after MANY years of putting up with Ford and GM issues. I'm too old to put up with their nonsense any longer.
    1 point
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