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The mute feature works great for Snooter-who I think is on some sort of drugs with some of the shit he comes up with. I've discovered that he adds 0 to any conversation, so no big deal if I don't see it.

I understand the desire for higher ATPs and lower incentives with lower volume, but what I don’t understand is why they cheap out on the interior. It’s counter intuitive. Maybe they’re hedging their bets in case they have to lower prices later or maybe they’re just hoping buyers won’t care.

what kind of sales is ford expecting for the new escape? Depending on what the baby bronco ends up looking like, I could totally see it selling more than the escape. My wife has had 2 escapes, 2nd and 3rd gen, and by far the 2nd gen styling was her favorite. She didn’t care for the new model at all. Ford got this wrong two ways. They think that if they make the escape more car like, the old car customers would buy it. I think car customers will just go to another brand who sells cars because they want a car, not a cuv. People who buy suv/cuvs buy them because they like the characteristics of an suv/cuv (style, ride height, etc). If you take those characteristics away in favor of making it more car like, you’ve now alienated your suv/cuv customers.

350 hp in an E-Series. Three hundred and fifty horsepower in an E-Series. (Insert appropriate 'back in my day' quote about 1980s engines.)

Can I have an AMEN!!!! HRG

Spelling error....ROGUE

I have bought Fords and Lincolns from the same dealership and from the same salesperson and sales manager for many years. I do not expect to be treated differently when I buy a Ford vs. when I buy a Lincoln. I expect top notch treatment either way and I have always gotten it. I don't quite understand why buying a Ford, whether it is a $80,000 F150 King Ranch or a $35,000 Escape should be an inferior experience compared to buying a Lincoln. Before Ford sold Jaguar, I considered an XJ and visited a stand-alone Jag dealer. The sales rep was knowledgeable and the store was nice but I can't say the overall experience was much different than dealing on a Ford. I had a similar experience when looking at Volvos at their stand-alone dealership. Bottom line for me is that the people make the difference. I do not expect a salesperson to have all the answers but I expect decent product knowledge and 100% honesty. I expect to be treated as a valued and respected customer. If those things are missing, the quality of the customer lounge or how fresh their snacks are doesn't mean a thing to me.

Might also have something to do with fiscal year timing. I don't know about the po-leese, but when I worked for a state agency, our fiscal year ran from July 1-June 30. Our spending on bigger projects tended to happen more in late spring/early summer, when the budget situation was more solid (you didn't have to worry, f'rinstance, about a sudden spike in winter energy costs knocking a big hole in your available funds).

The rollout of the Ranger was also deliberately slow.

The literature I saw had a 300 hp 7.3 option for the E Series, that must be the fuel efficiency version your highlighted passage was referring to. I saw 300 hp and 350 hp versions for E Series and 350 hp and 430 hp versions for F53 & F59.

No, this is "Very Tesla-esque".... ...and this.

So did the regular Explorer as an option

Of course. we don't live in a perfect world but if you do a lot of towing then the diesel makes perfect sense for a fuss free experience. Generally the diesel gives about 30% better fuel economy than a gas engine, so if you're down to like 7 mpg with a diesel then that would be like 5.0 to 5.5 mpg with a gas 6.2.... you could work that out in gallons per 100 miles, 20 gallons gasoline vs 14 gallons of diesel, a saving of at least $20 every 100 miles. If you tow lots, it doesn't take long for the savings to rack up. 50,000 miles of towing like that and your diesel pays for itself and that's besides the joy of fuss free towing, I knew there was a reason why the 6.8 V10 went away in F350.....

GT500 powered Bronco? That's what I got from that *starts ridiculous rumor to see what happens*

We don't need no stinking V8!

By themselves the Business case for a Bronco Raptor, Ranger Raptor and Everest Raptor couldn’t be made and that would have been the end of it right there except it wasn’t........

Agreed. Using zip code 20164, that Escape #24924 A/Z Plans out at $27, 357, including destination & $1000 in incentives.

Thats not how I read that. They’re saying that includes all normal rebates and incentives and discounts but you may ALSO qualify for military or college grad rebates. Hard to tell for sure though without seeing the detailed price.

Compact CUV is the most important segment in the market. If Ford was really losing money on Escape, they probably shouldn't be a car company. Maybe they wouldn't need to de-content and discount and squeeze the margin if their product was fresh like Honda and Toyota. It's really unfathomable that Ford left Escape on the market virtually unchanged for 7, almost 8 years. But I think I'm preaching to the choir ?

Or the Koreans.

It's not just the interiors. Corsair isn't offering the 1.5L 3-cylinder EB either. After having one to use for 3 weeks, it's easy to see why. HRG

I think they’re targeting the Focus buyers which makes sense to a degree but Focus was also a lot cheaper.

The diesel also having engine braking factors into the braking test on J2807, so that probably accounts for some of the increase in capacity.

Ah yes, Fisker The company that just won't die. Along with Faraday Future and Elio Motors

He did not ESCAPE...he went ROUGE.

You have a better shot at seeing pilotless cargo planes going point to point for Fedex, UPS, USPS etc, etc...at least in that arena, the airspace can be dedicated to that type of flight without other planes in the corridors...

My apologies, I thought the conversation above was discussing the $10K upcharge for the 6.7 diesel, not if the 7.3 was stronger than the 6.2. I've never been in Marketing or Sales, so I've never learned the "art" of the spin. HRG

Here's a crazy idea for Bronco V8, what if the engineering costs could be split across two other vehicles, things that once seemed impossible then become possible because the potential audience widens.

Correct. A clear path into the engine bay for V6 raised into place was never a consideration, all development work was for I-4 and I-5 engines. The 2.3 Ecoboost was so tight that the engineers had to create an access hole in the inner guard to get to the oil filter. T6 Gen 2 corrects all short comings with I-4 and V engines and then some...

Ford losing momentum in SUVs is largely due to the fact that it left those models unchanged for far too long. You can't snap the momentum with new versions if the base line sales had deteriorated so much in the waning years of previous gen. It will take concerted effort for Ford to build up Escape again since it fell out of people's consideration list. Most people lease these SUVs and they churn them every 24 or 36 months. Ford's idiotic 7 year model cycle means people aren't coming back for the same looking Escape twice or three times... CR-V, RAV4, and Equinox all got two brand new model change overs in the same time span as the previous gen The new Escape is going to take time to regain market share but it may not be able to reach the heights that previous gen reached. But if Ford can stick to 5 year model cycle like its competitors, maybe there is hope for next gen Escape to build on the momentum of the current gen.

You would buy a 7.3 over a 6.7 IF you need the power on the occasions when you use the truck. That is if you are not a high mileage operator that will pay off the diesel premium on the basis of your annual mileage and its likely better mpg numbers the 6.7 is NOT a good deal for you. There are plenty of operators in class 4-7 who load to the max on occasion but don't run a lot of miles to justify the 6.7's better mpg numbers. Key will be just how economical is the 7.3 in terms of fuel consumption. Based on that low end torque it appears the 7.3 puts out, it would seem a competent driver will do well with it. It like the Ecoboost question. Some have said it should be called .."Eco or boost" -because you can't have all that power AND economy. I say you can-drive it with a light foot and it will lug down and pull in a higher gear at low RPM. Want to put your foot in it? Be prepared to see your mpg drop.

Is that you, Alan Mulally?

Why would Ford patent ZF's rear steer?

For many months last year, some were lamenting the slow sales start for the Ranger. Now, I see in December Ford sold over 14,000 Rangers. I agree with Kirby, way too early to pass judgement on the Escape or Explorer. Let's have this discussion in July.

That's only one region and I don't think they had massive incentives on the 2020s. On the website it says $2K rebate just announced - I don't know what it was before. I'm not saying it is or it isn't a problem - I'm just saying it's too early to tell either way.

I'd think you'd see it at the LA Auto in November for NA.

Sirius/XM, Ford Pass, navigation, wifi, etc. Used to be the "shark fin" on the front of the cab, now it's two modules on the back.

Glad to see the former IL Mitsubishi plant, aka "DSM", being reused. After all the fanfare when it opened in 1988, I'd have hated to see it wasted.

Someone who doesnt want to spend $10,000 more for the engine.

Congrats - you made it through a Ranger comment without using the word hack job. If you think back to 2011 they were only selling 600k F series back then and the impact on sales might have been different back then.

F series + Ranger - 986k for 2019 vs 910k for F series in 2018. Very little (if any) cannibalization of F150 sales by Ranger. Excellent showing by Ranger given the option limitations.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2019/08/01/ford-73-liter-V8-best-in-class-gas-power-torque-heavy-duty-pickup.html A dyno-certified version of the 7.3-liter V8 producing 350 horsepower at 3,900 rpm and 468 lb.-ft. of torque at 3,900 rpm will be standard on F-450 chassis cab, F-550, the new F-600, F-650 and F-750 Medium Duty trucks, and F-53 and F-59 stripped chassis models. The upgraded E-Series will also feature the 7.3-liter V8. An optional calibration intended to help customers reduce their fuel consumption will also be offered; more information will be made available at a later date. So it looks like you could end up with 3 different power ratings in an E-Series depending on if you end up >14,000lb GVWR (which requires dyno certification).

Or maybe a Crown Vic Skyliner made with modern materials engineering:

@sho94_2000 What he is saying is that your IP address resolves back to the same IP address that a banned user used. Might be a coincidence, but consider yourself warned since I haven't bothered to check the older messages to see if they are similar to yours. But from your posts you seem to be a borderline troll...

I was about to just say that-the show starts June 15th if I'm not mistaken. As for timelines- The latest rumor has it that the Baby Bronco will go to Hermosillo (along with Transit Connect and TC based compact pickup), not the other plant building the Mach E. I haven't seen an end of production date for the MKZ or Fusion yet...so when that happens, that will be a very clear indication when the Baby Bronco is ready. I'm assuming that is going to happen in May or so, and the Baby Bronco will start hitting the lots in October. The full size Bronco will start production very late in the Summer (September/October) and we might see it by years end, but I'm thinking it will show up next January in Dealer lots. If the Baby Bronco is shown off first, the "full sized" Bronco needs to be shown off also. Ford might just show the Baby Bronco and Bronco together and show off a limited range topper like the Bronco R at the NAIAS instead, just to keep excitement levels up for it. The upside to all of this is that is happening in the next 180 days or less...so there is light at the end of the tunnel after waiting nearly 3 1/2 years for it.

It hasn't had one for 3 years now.

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-ranger-mustang-v8-engine Please sweet baby Jesus, let this come to the Bronco; in the name of the 5.0 and the Holy Raptor, Amen ?

IF I have the issue with my Fusion and decide to stick with a sedan, I'm finally going to be a Toyota convert after MANY years of putting up with Ford and GM issues. I'm too old to put up with their nonsense any longer.