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What a failure!

The concern here in Michigan was more the rural hospitals, mostly in the north half of the state. The hospitals in Detroit are always busy so I think a lot of people around here got tired quickly of hearing about them potentially being overrun. That's a typical weekend in most parts of the city.

If it’s unsustainable we wouldn’t need government bans.

It's just a matter of time that C-size CUVs transition to EV - I can't see how Ford will even attempt to make another generation of Escape that has an ICE up front. We are seeing a wave of D-size EV CUVs in 2021 which can support the $40-$60k price point. In another 2 or 3 years, with stabilized volume on existing EV, you will see another wave of $25k-$40k EV CUVs. The 2025 CAFE, even in its modified form, pretty much requires wholesale fleet adoption of EVs and PHEVs other than vehicles with large footprints (i.e. fullsize pickup trucks). This is why I kept saying 2021~22 is probably the last possible time frame you will see ICE only new vehicles like Bronco come on to the market. I know this forum is full of climate change deniers and EV non-believers but this change is inevitable... Plug-in vehicles (EV and PHEV) sales exceeded 12% in EU in October. Plug-in vehicle sales are about to cross 10% of total sales in California in 2020. These are significant benchmarks and there is no sign the market trend is going to reverse. I feel pretty confident to predict that we will probably see 20% in Europe and 15% in California by the end of 2021, and probably 1/3 and 1/4 by the end of 2022 - and basically 75~80% by end of 2025 in both. The rest of the US will trail California but not that far behind.

22 Bronco Sports sold! ?

The potential need was real and much better to have them and not need them, but the media and some governments <cough>New York<cough> exaggerated the situation. In GA the media was hyping that Hospitals were full but when you look at the census data in some cases only 10% of the patients were Covid. And when you point that out to people they say what’s the difference? The difference is whether drastic actions to reduce covid hospitalizations is necessary or not.

That happened here too. TCF Center (Formerly Cobo Hall) was only ever utilizing something like 10% of the beds they set it up for. It may have been even less than that. The other 2 (Novi expo center and the field house on the UMich campus) weren't ever used. It was a good thing they were set up but not needed but the ballyhooing about it was relentless.

I don't know if there are climate change "deniers" here, as much as being more realistic with analysis of it - in that it's been a "sky is falling next year" thing for 20-30 years (first global cooling, then it's global warming, now it's just "climate change"). Not to get off on a tangent, but I believe it's both naturally cyclical and that we have an effect. I see deforestation as a big problem, and that obviously affects the climate because of oxygen/co2 production/"scrubbing". Plus the fact that EVs are not all roses - maybe they're cleaner on an individual level vs ICE emissions, but that ignores the additional power generation needed (which, I'm sorry, is not all coming from renewable - not feasible right now) and the mining for the elements to make the batteries - factors that are conveniently ignored by EV supporters. I'm not against EV, just the negatives need to be pointed out too, and not ignored. As for EV adoption - naturally percentages will increase from the 0 they started at.......but when you have governments subsidizing their sales, and mandating EVs, obviously sales will have to increase and have "no sign the market trend is going to reverse" - government literally won't allow it lol. Or you can still buy or have an ICE but you can't drive it to X, Y, Z locations... point is - it's not 100% organic growth. This is a big issue too. A buddy of mine was considering a Tesla, but lives in an older condo building, with nowhere to charge it. It just really ties in to the overall electric/charging/infrastructure issue.

Biggest line of garbage I’ve ever seen. Completely unsubstantiated opinion. ICE vehicles will be around for a very long time. Easily out lasting you, me, and future generations. Even your guy Elon essentially said ICE vehicles are not going anywhere. Recently he said he thinks EVs alone will double global electricity demand. Well we can’t handle the demand we have now and they are not building new power plants. So you’re kinda dead in the water right now.

It's even more mind boggling that those politicians are being hailed as heroes, especially Cuomo. This is why I feel the even more crucial stat within that stat is the demographic spread. Under a certain age the mortality risk just isn't that high, and to act like it is is just disingenuous at best. I know there's long term effects and I'm curious to see the age spread on that too, but if the pharmaceutical industry can come up with a vaccine that fast they can certainly figure out how to treat those if not figure out how to prevent them from showing up in the first place. Seems treating the disease while it's in it's less virulent phase is the key. I still firmly believe that is currently being exaggerated in many cases.

I believe legally they have to

So, it would be a 351 Windsor motor....hmmmm

Except it easily outperforms the 2.7, and generally returns better real world average fuel economy than the 3.5. While it doesn’t tow as well as the 3.5 stock for stock, it has by FAR the most performance potential for those that may want to modify it after warranty as well. Basically, if you’re trading after warranty or just want to drive the truck as Ford delivered it then 3.5 EB makes a lot of sense. If you’re a “gear head” that keeps the vehicles long term and intends to modify the 5.0 makes the most sense. I find the 2.7 EB uninteresting in the F-Series.

For those that like nice colors:

Well OAC will be down for a month and I can see why with these sales figures. Xmas holidays then 2 week lay off to start 2021. Edge Nautilus job one is January 25th. Tough sales environment and aging product it will be interesting to see how they do going forward. We obviously know the F-150 will more than recover then the Bronco will make a massive impact next year. I do not believe the Mach-E will sell in huge numbers.

Would depend on the 2 door. When my kids were small, my MN-12 Thunderbirds were about the best thing I ever had them in. I felt they were even better than the Taurus/Escorts/Focus I had concurrently. BIG door opening with the fold forward seat out of the way, they couldn't dick with doors or windows, they could step in and walk -not crawl- to their seats, and it was super nice in inclement weather to strap them in. Miss those old turds. My middle kid is high function autistic, I can totally understand the specific need.

This is about where I am too - if Ford had offered a hybrid Bronco (either regular or PHEV), I'd go with that now, but they don't, so normal ICE it is for this one. I have considered a MME (and I'd be lying if I said the tax credit doesn't make it more appealing), but I just don't know if I'm ready for a full BEV yet, with an uncertain housing situation going forward (may be moving soon and don't know if it'll be a condo without chargers, or a house where one can be installed), I don't think it's feasible to make that jump just yet.

Hard to say what these numbers mean in midst of terrible pandemic and no comparison numbers from other auto companies. I would bet everyone is seeing reduced sales. And if congress doesn't come up with stimulus bill soon, look for bank failures and deep recession next year.

Ouch F-150 down 45%, Edge down 35%, Expedition down 32%, Corsair down 10%, Nautilus down 27%, Aviator down 4%. They really should have waited until 2021 to start doing monthly sales reports; however they never should have started doing them again.

Last updated: December 02, 2020, 15:08 GMT United States Coronavirus Cases: 14,113,824 Deaths: 277,026 Recovered: 8,338,656 December 2 (GMT) Updates •5,218 new cases and 47 new deaths in the United States https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Ok if you take into consideration these numbers (remembering all reporting on this subject can have its special interests) doing some in the ball park counting on both fingers and toes... Recovery rate is well over the 60ish percent level. Mortality rate is down in the 1.9ish level. India media is putting out the daily recovery rate (factual or not.. who knows) but it`s something we here in the land of we know whats best for you media you`ll have to pull teeth out of the pretty talking heads to get that info....

He thinks if he keeps repeating it will be true. What I see happening in the next 10 years is that your going to see something around a 30-40-20 split in the market 20% ICE only 40% Hybrid/PHEV 30% BEV IMO My next vehicle after my Bronco (if I don't get a weekend car aka new Mustang) will be a BEV, but I can support charging at home and my commute to work is short, so I'd have to charge it like once a week or so. The infrastructure to support BEVs needs to be built out more (I live in a county that is in the 1.2% wealthiest counties in the US) and I think there might be a grand total of two Tesla super charging stations within 15-20 miles of my house. Even looking at Electrify America (VW charging stations) there really isn't much in the area to support BEVs in the new few years. I figure that in 10 years they'll have pretty much a 300 mile range down pat in any weather conditions and charging stations (if I take a road trip) will be built out enough that a full recharge will only take as long as it takes to get lunch at Panera or something.

Lets not forget the hospital ships in two harbors, field hospitals and converted emergency medical facilities put in place and well lets just say never were used. In Pricksters great wisdom of constructing not one but two facilities and converting McCormick Place to just having medical personel in them without patients... but the wave was coming to over whelm the system.

An acquaintance in my area has a 2018 5.0 2wd SuperCab. It produces just shy of 600 rwhp & runs in the high 10's in the quarter. It's his daily driver. Same guy has a 2018 Mustang GT that has 850 rwhp & runs in the 9's. It's not street driven.

I wish every vehicle had this button.

As Fuzzy said they are actually required on all vehicles manufactured after the late 80's.

I will bet my house on it, especially the death count. Separate those who have died from COVID from those who died with COVID then we can start having an honest conversation about it. The worst thing the government did is financially incentivize hospitals to list cause of death as COVID. scratch that, it's still Andrew Cuomo, Gretchen Whitmer and a few others I'm forgetting about sticking covid patients in nursing homes and letting the virus run rampant among the most vulnerable people.

Remember those analysts that thought Ford should sell off European operations. I guess they forgot of who really controls the company. The family was never going to let that happen.

Probably the same article. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/12/01/nation/new-cdc-study-suggests-covid-19-may-have-been-us-december-2019/ HRG

amazing how wheels perk up the overall appearance...

I would just about guarantee a big yes to that. I believe they are federally mandated.

They killed it because no one wanted it. Very few Model 3 owners ordered the basic model. The small Tesla model is a competitor for VW's upcoming ID.2 - a Ford Fiesta/VW Polo/Honda Fit size car (B-segment).

Yep, that’s the 100% stock 2018-up F150 record. 2018 RCSB 2WD 5.0. 13.2 @ 104+ There have been a couple stock 4WD 5.0 that have gone 13.4 also. A 3.55 or 3.73 geared 2018-up 5.0 is the quickest truck in the lineup stock (1/4 mile). A 3.15 or 3.31 geared 5.0 is not.

Then there's this juicy bit from WSJ https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-likely-in-u-s-in-mid-december-2019-cdc-scientists-report-11606782449 What if this was only a problem because we panicked?

I think it’s intentional. Ford sets the F150 5.0 shift points @ 5700 rpm, that is also why they advertise peak HP @ 5700. Take a totally stock 15-20 F150 5.0 and let it rev to 6500 and they make peak HP around 6300 rpm and make another 20-30 HP. Ford should have been letting them shift @ 6500-6600 since day 1. Of course the 18+ F150 5.0 would have been rated at more like 420 HP if they did and that would have likely drawn more 3.5 EB customers to the less expensive 5.0 option.

Stu has a point here

I think that's pretty much on point... Maverick is not a Ridgeline competitor, that's the job of Ranger and frankly, Ranger is wiping the floor against the slow selling Ridgeline. I think Ford figured that there is a market for cheap vehicle and it knows people don't want cheap cars. How do you make an Escape even cheaper without going the 3rd world route of stripping out safety features? You make a CUV but eliminate the interior from the last 1/3 of the vehicle and strip out cost that way. It's a lot cheaper to make an empty cargo bed than a fully enclosed cargo area that requires extra sheet metal, 3 panes of glass, HVAC ducts, floor, carpet, 5 mph impact bumper (trucks are exempt) etc.

I’m going to say it. Acceleration wise, this is going to upset some GT500 owners. I would bet getting a good launch consistently with the AWD will be the norm. Can’t say that with GT500. Plus you will get a nice tax deduction instead of a GG Tax.

Not since 2014. Biggest jump was around 80k a couple of times, it some years it only jumped 20-30k. Look at Deckers post on page 3. Averaged out we have about 8% more deaths this year than what would be normally expected. It’s about the same as a bad flu season except this one goes on all year even with precautions.

I read elsewhere that the reason for the summer tires is that it was the only way Ford could put the 'power to the pavement' and ensure the acceleration performance.

Improper maintenance indeed Did it even have a thermostat in it?. If you are not wanting to pull it, Kerosene (safer) or gasoline. Had a buddy who got a "low mile" 350 for a camaro project years ago. 1.5" thick sludge on the head bolts under the valve covers. We scraped it all out protecting the oil drains from chunks the best we could.. Scrubbed it with brushes and gasoline. Once done we drained the oil "mixture" and just poured fresh gas over the heads with the drain plug out letting the balance of junk to flow out. Then poured fresh oil all over the valvetrain (4 cheap quarts of junk fresh oil). once all drained put fresh oil and filter. Primed the snot out of the engine before firing (old distributor with gear pulled) I would say adding seafoam to the first batch of oil would be worth doing also. I would only leave it in for a few heat cycles and replace it. You will probably find other leaky seals after you're done though. Your friendly shade tree mechanic. (btw), This worked good and the engine did run good afterwards with no rattle. Til we ran it it the local dragstrip and the lil honda civic was beating him. He over rev'ed the hell out of it and spun a rod bearing. LOL

Not a problem in Mexico.

I don’t know why Ford does that but I think they mean the brakes will clear a 19” wheel.

The quickest new F150 is a 5.0 Regular cab short bed. 13.2 bone stock.

2023 Ford Ranger confirmed for South America!! https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fsa/ar/es/news/2020/12/ford-anuncia-una-inversion-de-usd-580-millones-para-producir-la-.html

i agree. I want to see that Lincoln BEV that Rivian was to build

I know that Lincoln truck never sold in great numbers but I wish they’d try again with the modern stuff, it might surprise.....

I’m hoping that Jim Farley rethinks and reverses that decision, I think that Ford and Lincoln needs to fill up the armoury with lots of good BEVs to battle in the future. I think it would serve Ford wel to have as many options as possible.

Art Morrison full chassis, T-Bird 8.8 IRS, tubular upper & lower control arm front suspension with R & P steering, EFI 5.0 (I know...), AOD, new wiring harness, etc...yep. i have most of what I need except the chassis. I've been collecting parts for several years with the intent of this build. Recently, my wife inquired what it would take to make this her daily instead of her toy. I figured instead of spending $50k for a new vehicle that I can't repair, why not spend another $25k on something I can.

FWIW, I understand your point of view (I'm on my third C-Max, love the car). I'd suggest sitting in an Escape just to see - they are so darn close to the C-Max once you're inside, you might reconsider once you sit in one! I'm on my third C-Max, I can explain this - the beauty of the C-Max is it offers the seating position of a CUV (nice and upright with great leg room and a high hip point), but from inside you don't have the CUV perspective of riding so high off the ground. Even those pictures show the difference, the C-Max isn't jacked up on its suspension in the way a CUV is.

"may" and "if" sounds about right.