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I value your opinions and insight most of the time, but apparently you don’t have expectations for your vehicles. Just because the Ford fans on this site are complaining about quality issues doesn’t mean they aren’t true fans. It’s ok to want Ford to be better about quality, so you and the other customers get a solid products for their hard earned money. My 2017 Raptor has by far been my worst Ford Truck. They have addressed most of the issues I have had, but there have been reoccurring issues that just keep coming back around. Outside of those issues, I still love the truck. Illegal I have been a Ford fan since I was a kid, and I have bought many Ford’s throughout my life, and will continue to do so unless there quality gets worse. I’m hoping my 2017 was an anomaly, as the rest of my trucks and other vehicles have been pretty much bulletproof. The types of issues that have been occurring over the last few years don’t provide a lot of confidence. With that said, I’m hoping they get things straightened out sooner rather than later, so my next truck doesn’t require as many trips to the dealer.

It tells you which plants are getting priority with the chip shortage....

Yeah, this has to stop. It may be a parts suppliers fault, but as mentioned before, it is a Ford vehicle and and it is their warranty, so stop passing the buck. I am glad they try to get out front of these things quicker so they aren’t recalling thousands of vehicles, but just own it and say we are going to make it right and will do better. I may not be happy about what happened, but I appreciate when people do that. I don’t think most people expect that a vehicle will be flawless over the course of its life because they are machines with thousands of parts put together by humans, but they should always be working towards perfection.

Welcome to the Internet where opinions and facts do not always align with your agenda. But hey, glad you are a moderator and still find it useful to resort to name calling.

They could have ignored it/done nothing. And/or swept it under the rug and fixed it during a service visit a la Toyota.

Depends on the issue. If it’s something that can be resolved at the dealer in a timely manner (example: wheel replacement, panel adjustments), then I would likely sign and take delivery. Otherwise, I’m not dropping 55k on a vehicle that doesn’t meet quality expectations. So yes, refusing delivery is an option. As far as the rust on these new F-150’s, I haven’t experienced that on any of the Ford/Lincoln products I have owned. Our 2020 Navigator is almost a year old...all of the metal underbody components are black/coated and have a like new appearance (and it’s been exposed to salt/brine etc this winter).

I don’t know about you but I don’t buy “pre-assembled component from a supplier” when I go to a dealer to take delivery of a new vehicle. The vehicle bears the manufacturers name. Take responsibility. The manufacturer chooses the supplier, so maybe find suppliers that offer better quality control rather than the lowest possible cost.

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If the supplier failed to torque the bolt to spec that problem is the suppliers problem. If it were delivered in spec this wouldn't have been an issue.

The negatards are out in full force this week. Geez.

Yet another quality product brought to you by the new Ford Motor Company where quality is job zero.

Part of the reason launches start slow and ramp up. Ford and suppliers are learning in the process. With such a high profile product, great temptation to rush the process. Caught near OKTB (OK to buy). Delay to the early customers will get attention. Many times early shipments are to management lessees. Provides quick feedback. Someone now knows the problem. Error proof or verification will be required. Not speaking for Ford, just observations of a retiree on what was required of my coworkers, suppliers, and me.

And so are the fanbois. I was as big of a Ford man as there ever was. In my 43 years of automobile ownership, I've only had 5 non Ford products...and of those, two had Ford engine swaps. It really took some screwing up to turn me against FoMoCo. They accepted the challenge.

Here are the production numbers per plant. Edge/Nautilus had 64/123 produced in January - certainly going to hurt inventory there. They even list "c-pickup" under Hermosillo production.

Ford is taking responsibility by recalling it.

Regarding the '77-79 model: If the purpose of a car company is to make money, we have a winner. This model was a runaway success in its era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Thunderbird

Well in any case MKZ won. Too bad it's gone!

It wasn’t voluntary but it was voluntary. Got it. It was voluntary because the government did not force them to do it. They could have easily waited a few months until accidents happened and they were eventually forced or hoped no accidents happened and nobody would have known about it. No, they ARE taking it seriously. It’s like you just can’t give them any credit whatsoever for doing the right thing.

I don’t think anything about this issue and the subsequent recall is voluntary. The timing may have been voluntary but if they were to let this go and subframes began causing serious issues the recall would be forced as would the many lawsuits because they caught it early. It’s pretty easy to extrapolate out. Obviously Ford “recalled” them because it’s easy and cheap for them to do. Good PR and it’s a CYA move. There’s nothing to lose by recalling for this and it makes them look like they really take this seriously.

By issuing a voluntary recall Ford IS owning the problem and the remedy. And the fact it was a supplier goof is a simple fact - it’s the root cause of the problem. Denying responsibility would be Ford telling owners to take it back to the supplier to get it fixed or just ignoring the problem altogether.

Name calling and related antics are part of the job description for moderators on this site.

Not feeling it. Orange highlight is nasty, bar on grill is nasty. It's only marginally better than the awful police grill with the stupid square opening. Let me tell you how I really feel!...

I don’t understand how vehicles were categorized. Since when is a Camry a large car, the Lexus ES a midsized car and the MKZ a small car? Did they just need something to fill the slot and chose something close?

Not usually. Most are voluntary, with some not even reaching the safety organizations. Only when a manufacturer refuses to cooperate (ala Tesla) does NHTSA get involved and force a recall. And even then it is often a voluntary recall after arm twisting and not mandated by NHTSA.

Was this something Ford caught in periodic/random inspections or something customers brought to Ford’s attention? If the former, then Ford’s processes are working and folks are being overly negative. Mistakes happen. At least they are being caught early. It seems more telling of the suppliers Ford chose to work with. Push suppliers too much on price and quality suffers.

Nope

Expedition is surprising for the segment given the stranglehold GM has on the segment.....but maybe people switch from a Tahoe/Suburban to a Yukon or Escalade more often?

So Ford is building Ranger in both plants in Thailand? Where is Australia getting its Focus from now days? I just checked Ford Thailand's website and sure looks like Ford is only selling Ranger and Everest there now. I guess this is Farley's plan for the rest of the emerging markets. ? https://www.ford.co.th/en/# Edit: I wonder how Maverick could fit in Ford's plan in Southeast Asia... or Australia and South Africa for that matter. Don't know if RHD engineering was preserved but given the C2 roots, shouldn't be too hard to do. Worst case, they can put the RHD Escape interior in there.

Or it will just quietly show up on dealer lots....what’s this? We didn’t order any of those.

The 9th generation “aero bird” thunderbird turbo coupes were my favorites. One of those would be a good candidate for a 2.3L ecoboost transplant.

Yep, all while blaming the supplier.

I recently experienced an inability to access the AXZ Vehicle Programs website using a CDS ID that worked nine years for me as an hourly retiree. I called the NESC, which said there was a known system problem, but that I could receive a PIN via telephone, though I'm wanting to search online dealer inventory with AXZ prices shown. I found https://www.dsps.dealerconnection.com/EUSR/VerifyEligibility.do via a web search, completed the form, submitted a new password, and immediately gained access to the AXZ site and several other interesting dealer-related sites via the Secure Web Login page using the 'Dealer, Supplier, Other Login' button.

I'd say name it Jeep 3, but that'd probably offend someone that identifies as a 3.

The point is more the scale governments want to jump to quickly without appropriate grid investment is going to result in problems..... And IIRC, the California thing can sometimes be that they shut parts down to avoid starting fires.

I'll stick with my original analogy. My point is that, in the 50's and 60's, the T-bird was a unique vehicle. The 1965 Ford was BOF construction with coil springs at all four corners. The T-bird was unibody with front coils and rear leaf springs. And the styling was totally different. The only reason you'd know a T-bird was a Ford Division product was because it was sold in the same showroom as the Galaxie 500. The 1970 T-birds were nothing more than mildly restyled Ford LTD's. They may have even shared some sheet metal.

All a lot of folks wanted was a great uncomplicated pushrod engine to retro into their vehicles, the 7.3 will answer those prayers and maybe pick up a few sales that would have gone to the LS.

The Mustang Touring sounds nice to me for some reason. Great name for a sporty 4-door coupe-ish/SUV-ish Mustang. But what about Mustang Fairlane for that one though? Didn't know that the Thunderbird came from a Native American origin as I thought it was a type of bird. But yes, it could possibly cause some issues as Jeep is going through.

A better comparison to the 60's era T-Bird would be a Fairlane since both would be unibody designs. The differences are styling which is subjective.

The 777 7.0L was totally a modded Boss 6.2. It was SOHC and it had the same cylinder head width as the 6.2, just non-production valve covers that perhaps gave them a narrower and more polished appearance. I'd take a 6.8 Boss variation over a Godzilla variation any day. The Boss' splayed-valve/OHC layout makes it a much more capable performance platform.

I feel like Ford should have used the Timberline moniker in place of “Tremor” for the F-Series/Ranger.

You and your facts.

Well, umm, yeah..since they too were Ford's.

The Thunderbird nameplate hasn't been a success in over 30 years and can't compare with the Mustang cache internationally.

There’s nothing wrong with wishing, pretty sure that Brian Wolfe has baked in a lot of good design into the 7.3/6.8, things that well and truly exceed what was done with Miami, Condor and Trinity.

OTD (Order-to-Delivery)

In other words...”we shipped the trucks out like this hoping customers wouldn’t notice...”

For the prices that people pay for these vehicles this is completely unacceptable. It’s like buying a new house and having all sorts of corrosion on the faucets. “But the water that comes out of it is fine, just take some CLR and spend hours prepping and cleaning your faucets”. No. That’s not how this works. Deliver me a quality product. Looking at the pics above, this is more than surface rust. The majority of the axle is surface rust but those bolts and the very right side of the axle is deeper than that.

Why would they be working with customers at this point? They don't know what happened yet. The first part of the quote clearly says "we think there might be a problem here and we're investigating it". Without that part it sounds like Ford is just telling customers to pound sand which is CLEARLY not the case. My guess is they will identify the problem and a resolution, probably paid for by the supplier. But it will take a few months.

I think between South Africa and Thailand, Ford can produce half a million pickup trucks. Also I suspect Jianling Ford will be part of the mix for next gen Ranger since they already have Everest. Add the US plant which can probably cover ~20k for Mexico and you can see maybe Argentina won't be needed. I hope I'm wrong BTW... hate to see Ford leave South America completely. Ford has had assembly operation continuously there for over 80 years and survived some lean years of the region's rightwing Govt's gross mismanagement of economy that resulted in hyperinflation, and the infamous AutoLatina debacle.

Is this new front fascia across the entire lineup? I love that they fixed the grill corners going under the headlights but they really need to do something about the rear end. It literally looks like they forgot to style it. Other than that I don’t get the hype. I don’t think some fat tires like the police vehicles have and a red accent strip makes this any more of an off-roader. You’d think they would continued the Tremor theme. You’ve already got brand value with the name.