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The wait is finally over! Fresh off the truck and I hope to take delivery in a few days. Originally ordered 1/31 F250 SCLB Lariat but then changed 3/28 to a F350 dually. Dropped the Bedliner, Tonneau cover and Wheel well liners but kept the 5th wheel prep still not sure if that had any impact on getting built. Scheduling now to have the bed done and have ordered the other parts for later install. Glad the wait is over and look forward to getting some miles under my belt. For what its worth never got any shipping update from the Order Track Ap so I was surprised that it actually showed up when they had estimated. This forum has been a great resource but I won't miss my daily check in looking for answers.

So after staring at the order guide for an hour, I suddenly started to feel sick. I felt like I needed to leave work. I may have used the word headache but ditched out of work early to put in an order. Hot Pepper Lariat, 2.0 AWD with Tremor package, spray in bed liner, and copilot 360. A hair over 36k. I’m sure I’ll see it 8 months.

2023 Escape Orders & Discussion Ford order questions and general discussion.

I don’t live in either of those places and yes we do have electricity. We do have many multiunit buildings and street parking where there is no EV charging capability in place. Who will be responsible for putting chargers in those locations, when government policy is what is driving the transition to electric vehicles? Will the government also subsidize installation of charging capabilities in those kind of scenarios? Will developers be required to include chargers in new developments? Is the tax payer paying for chargers on public streets? Don’t miscontue my skepticism for being anti EV, but I am a realist. I haven’t seen any action to address these kinds of questions in my area, and I’m not a fan of the tax payer footing the bill for these things either, but someone going to have to pay.

Yes, but: 2023 F-650/750 SD Gas Pro Loader - $65,520 2023 F-650/750 SD Diesel Pro Loader - $75,005 Diesel will also have higher maintenance costs and diesel typically runs $1 or more per gallon than 87.

Don't know if this helps anyone, but I ordered my 2023 Escape PHEV today. MSRP: $38,500 Premium Package: $4585 Total: $43,085 + Destination fees + Accessories (Floor Liners) Color: Vapor Blue Metallic Interior: Leather Space Grey Priority Code: 19 (Anyone know what that means?)

Thanks for the responses. I am not trying to accuse anyone of false prices. I am just a first time buyer upgrading from a 98 pathfinder so I wanted to make sure I was handling it right. It is a good point to make sure I lock in that Invoice price. I haven’t signed any papers but will contact the sales manager to get that price in writing before I sign anything and give a deposit.

The invoice price is correct. If you're so concerned with whether the Dealer is showing you the correct invoice price, why are you doing business with them? The 2023 Mustang Order Guide is available for download in the Dealer Order Guides section at the top of the page.

My dealer had similar issues, as on Tuesday it showed as a 1.5 ST. On Wednesday by 11:30 (Pacific) it was fixed in WBDO, so it is now accepting PHEV orders.

The WBDO (Web Based Dealer Ordering) system is now configured correctly to accept all 2023 Escape orders, including the PHEV model. You should contact your Dealer to confirm and document that your order specifications are correct. If your order is for a PHEV model, any documentation identifying it as an ST-Line in incorrect.

The solution is fast public charging not putting chargers in every residence.

This sums up my impression pretty well. Seems pretty phone-it-in for the last ICE mustang ever.

Overall, this discussion about the 2024 Mustang reveal, the "Dark Horse" model or otherwise, is boring. I was looking forward to a next generation Mustang that would have a certain respective yet "Wow" factor and instead feeling underwhelmed at the next generation Mustang that was revealed. The constant comparisons to the Camaro are of little interest and seem to be a distraction from what should be comparisons, objective or otherwise, to the current Mustang and discussions about how this new design moves the Mustang forward in its last ICE mode. I'm missing any attention to detail, design wise, and seeing sharp lines in the front with a questionable triple headlamp effect, less body sculpting that define a Mustang, an overbearing rear spoiler and simplified but less defined rear taillights, etc. This is just my gut reaction to what I've seen, hoping that the actual vehicle in person will be more impressive. I also don't understand what the motivation was to call the new, high-end model the "Dark Horse" Mustang. The impression is negative overall. I can understand not wanting to resurrect a past Mustang model name but would think that Ford could have come up with a better new model name befitting the Mustang heritage. At least the "Stampede" theme that Ford was using in the promotion materials promoted a performance image.

At least you can see out of it.

Have you actually done this? It’s a sound theory but I highly doubt you can find an available fast charger within walking distance of your chosen restaurant. At least not without a lot of planning and compromise.

I just watched The Fast Lane Truck Ford Lighting tow test on Youtube. They got 89 miles towing a typical RV trailer and spent as much time charging the thing as on the road. Is this what to expect from a BEV Super Duty? Aside from the urban cowboys and Californians, how many contractors, farmers, etc. would put their money down on a 3/4 ton with this level of performance.

Looks nothing like it lol. Even the quarter panels, which is the part everyone is comparing, are vaguely similar at best. The mustang has a far more muscular looking shoulder line, with a sharper and more noticable downkick.

Bob sounds like you had a very fast Torino 428 CJ in a sleeper body, hatch back! I wish I could find a good one out there now. I had a 1966 Ford Galaxie XL with a 390, 4100 four barrel carb, C6 with a 3.0 axle. Car was very slow compared to Chevy 327 power glide and my dad’s 352 Galaxie 500. 390 was very dependable and got retired at 149,000 miles with only water pump replacements. There was a 1968 Ford Galaxie LTD and Cougar that offered a 427 ford side oiler block with hydraulic lifters only offered with the C6 rated at 390 hp. It performed almost as good as the 428 cobra jet! when I started working at ford in 1969, ford made a 427, a 428 , 429, 462 and 460 engines and it seemed like all at the same time. edselford

I must have one of these immediately

Guessing they don’t have enough parts yet.

That’s not correct. Scheduling is done 6 weeks in advance. They don’t keep 6 weeks worth of parts. They EXPECT to have all the parts on time but delays happen. And not just microchips - shipping delays affect every part.

I'm pretty sure even in rural Arkansas or backwood of West Virginia, there is electricity. EV "infrastructure" is not what you think it is. Most EV are plugged in overnight. You have to stop thinking in the ICE mindset, that's not how EV work. Majority of EV owners visits public charger 2 or 3 times a year. It's not that essential.

The new Mustang doesn’t have that terrible kick up at the door bottoms. They vaguely look the same because they are two door coupes with long hoods and short tailgates on them. That is like saying all sedans or trucks look the same.

There is a zero percent chance that new pickups will be all electric by 2030. That alone shoots a huge hole in the “all-electric fleet by 2030” idea.

The reality is that over-square engines tend to make more high rpm power because they also tend to have more intake valve area relative to total displacement than an under-square engine does. This is especially true of in-line valve 2-valve/cylinder engines. The "mechanical advantage" provided by a longer stroke is so minuscule it's essentially irrelevant. Where the power/torque is made is almost entirely found in how well the top end (intake manifold runner length/cross section, intake port cross section/angle, intake valve area/angle/placement in the chamber, cam timing, etc.) can feed the total displacement underneath it. Larger ports and valves inherently tend to shift the power-band north, smaller valves and ports tend to bring on power earlier. Under-square multivalve engines tend to retain high-rpm capability (if desired) because they aren't intake valve area limited (or valve shrouded) relative to their total displacement by a smaller bore.

Teaser video of the 2024 Mustang Dark Horse in motion... Sequence 01.mp4

The way I see it, both the 2024 Mustang grille and Mustang II were both inspired by the classic 60s Mustang grilles, particularly the '67-'68 trapezoidal grille shape. The inward kink on the trailing edge of the rear side windows makes it look more like (a skewed version of) the 1966 GT350's rear side windows than the Mustang II's long triangular side windows.

Yep, spitting image. ?

Thanks ice-capades! Here's a comparison between curb weights listed for 2024 Mustang compared to current generation Mustang (model year 2022) The 2022 data is from the attached document. Either Ford didn't do any optimization of the chassis for S650, or simply used the S550 curb weights in the 2024 Mustang specifications document. Or maybe both. 2022-Mustang-Tech-Specs.pdf

Finally got mine on thursday add a few things to it but here it is Superduty

Just brought her home!! I'm in love!

The Shareholder X-Plan pricing did indeed end in June of this year, However, if you applied for it prior to the end of June, it is good until the End of December of 2022. See Attached PDF file I recommend that you join the "Mustang Club of America" for 1 year and use the discount ( X-Plan Pricing). You will receive 2 PINs that are good for an entire year. Looks like you're your a little too late if your Truck is scheduled to be built this week Ford Shareholder X-Plan Ending End of June.pdf

I can understand the doubts, frustration, etc. especially since Ford notified Dealers only yesterday that the cutoff for 2023MY Maverick Retail Orders was pulled forward from 10/31/2022 to yesterday (09/20/2022). It certainly seems like a dirty trick timing wise to pull forward the cutoff date to yesterday with so little, if any time, for either Dealers or retail customers to learn of the change or have time to react to it. It raises a lot of questions about how Ford will meet the demand for 2023MY Maverick orders with the hybrid powertrain. Unfortunately, Ford won't answer that question or provide any information to its Dealers or customers.