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You are correct, 1984Poke. The plant manager of Ford's Louisville Assembly Plant issued a welcome-back announcement on January 19th: Welcome Back! (ford.com) This suggests they haven't built any 2023 Escapes or Corsairs yet.

FWIW, the Vic had something going for it that the TC did not--police departments around the country were ordering as many CVPIs as they could before production ended. That undoubtedly had something to do with their later end of production.

I think what we're seeing is the buyers who prefer practicality and value above all else are migrating to crossovers and trucks in droves. That means most remaining sedan owners tend to place greater emphasis on the more emotional aspects of sedans, things like the driving dynamics or exterior design. I think there's potential for ford to return to the sedan market with a performance sedan, or something similar. They could position it at a higher price point, potentially increasing their profit margins on the product so shear sales volume becomes less of a concern. Plus it wouldn't have to go against giants in the sedan space like the Camry or accord. It could be something that sells by doing something different, rather than following the herd. It seems like that's ford's approach lately, zig where others zag, and it's working out quite well for them.

Ordered Feb 21 2022 and just today finalized all trade ins and purchase agreements. Our dealer received a large delivery of SDs and every one of them was a retail order and already sold. Just in line for the final tint and bed-liner, with a suspension kit and new wheels already added. Almost 12 months but it looks like the result is one solid and large machine!

Beings I love the current Tremor. I can tell that the tire in the prototype pic are not the same tire that is used currently on the Tremor. Stance of that prototype suggests (based on current FX4 supercab) that is what it is.

Asked sales mgr for vvr and he sent it to me. Primary status "in production" and secondary status is "off-site".

Mines on the way...FINALLY! Left on a train Sunday. Last update it's been handed off to UP now. VinView and the VVR both show a 2/2 delivery. Shall see how accurate that is, but I'm just glad it's moving now.

FX4 also comes with a skid plate. Also, he works in final, I think he would know a little more than a website who is guessing.

Same for Model X I think but no mention of the others.

It amazes me how little writers who follow the industry know.

A supercab short bed tremor would be nice.

jpd80 made a very smart and correct observation about VW, Stellantis, and the Japanese automakers in the "Ford is scaling down VW partnership for EVs" thread. Going back to the chart from Reuters, VW's advantage in profitability among the non-Chinese automakers is likely to erode rapidly due to exactly what jpd80 mentioned: the company is "acting like zombie corporates, just going through the motions in Europe and China but have no idea how to compete with Tesla". GM and Ford may actually be in the strongest position among the legacy automakers listed because despite their lower gross profitability, they both have more coherent business strategies and timelines for an all-electric future compared to VW, Toyota, and Hyundai.

I didn't think the Tremor would trickle its way down to the Super Cab beyond its current Super Crew/Crew Cab short bed configuration. I'm just glad that Ford is at least still doing the Super Cab for the next gen Ranger. As for Ford Authority, I would take any articles written by Brett Foote with a grain of salt. It's already shown that he either has wrong sources or he uses lots of uneducated guesses. So the FX4 is a logical thinking with this as what 'wildosvt' said too. I noticed that FX2 rear-drive package also has front skid plate too. It's not exclusive only to Tremor which Brett seems to think.

Just chiming in here with my own two cents, we've heard that Lincoln could be receiving a more upscale version of the mach-e with its own unique design. I highly doubt we'll see any sort of Lincoln product based on the bronco, it's far to rugged and unrefined to be a good basis for a Lincoln unless they reengineered a ton of stuff to make it into some sort of defender rival. The biggest issue with Lincoln currently is they don't really have a stellar flagship. The navigator is ok, but it doesn't wow you. From what I heard, back when ford was planning to develop a Lincoln ev on a Rivian platform, the design was close to being finalized. According to insiders, it looked fantastic, and was described as Kemal Curic's (Designer of the s550, and aviator amongst other things) best work yet. I hope ford finds a way to carry that design over to its own bespoke platform if it was as promising as some let on.

IIRC he does work for Ford…so I’m expecting that some sort of roadmap for Lincoln should pop up in the next 11 months or so that will show where they are planing on going in the next 3-5 years.

Obviously Elon speaking and Elon time, but looks like Tesla is scaling up to move even further ahead in this sector https://insideevs.com/news/633112/tesla-targets-500-gwh-annual-production-4680-cells-in-nevada/amp/

Finally! Sheesh. Can't wait! Thank you to everyone on this forum helping me keep my sanity.

The battery plant that just got rejected was suppose to increase Mach E volume this year with LFP batteries and increase supply to Lightning in 2024. Ok, they might have alternative sites but they better get on their skates pretty quick.

I’m really looking forward to seeing these new products in the near future. I hope they knock it out the park.

Exactly - there are lies on both sides. Some politically motivated, some clickbait. Which is why you shouldn’t believe any headline but instead look at the underlying data and how they reached those conclusions. I really miss the days when reporting was just based on facts and not slanted or sensationalized. Where is Walter Cronkite when you need him?

The hot cars article title is just plain wrong. Even the data in the referenced study showed that the worst case scenario was driving in electric mode 26% of the time on average. So even the worst offenders are still plugging in and using electric mode 25% and as high as 56% on average. That is completely different than “nobody is plugging them in”. The other problem with the report is it’s based on what the EPA assumes about PHEVs - that they’ll be driven in electric mode 80% of the time. If I have a 20 mile range and plug in every night then I could have 2 scenarios 1 - I drive 20 miles per day 100% electric 2 - I drive 80 miles per day - that’s only 25% electric. In both scenarios I charge nightly but in scenario 2 the study would conclude that it wasn’t plugging in. Daily mileage makes a huge difference in the formula used by the study and the EPA. You really need to try reading between the lines and look at the raw data to see if the data matches the conclusion. In this case it clearly does not support the conclusion that nobody is plugging them in.

I think that’s expected - the question is when new products start arriving. If Nautilus dies early next year how long will Lincoln be left with only 3 vehicles?

The second Ford-SK battery plant in Georgia should be open in 2023. Perhaps that is why Ford is scheduling a 3rd shift for Maverick. They think they get now get enough batteries for some high in demand builds. Plant 1 opened in 2022 and supplies F-150 Lightning Plant 2 opens in 2023 and supplies ??? Plant 3 (Blueoval TN) opens in 2024 and supplies Explorer (that's a guess) Plant 4 (Blueoval KY) opens in 2025 and should have enough to supply 2nd gen Lightning, and perhaps Escape too Ford has separate investment planned with CATL to build batteries for 2nd gen Mach E for 2026. Was supposed to be in VA but who know where it will land. Current Mach E and Transit battery is supplied by LG Chem which doesn't figure into Ford's strategic plan but Ford will probably continue to buy battery from it as needed. If you are doing the math... Ford US should have 21.5 GWh of in-house battery capacity by end of 2023. Triple that to about 65 GWh by end of 2024, and more than double again by end of 2025 to 150.5 GWh. The CATL investment will add even more to the 150.5 GWh. These numbers seem abstract so here are some comparison... From January 2021 to September 2022 (so 21 months total), Tesla delivered 1.85 million EV equal to 133 GWh of battery worldwide. So if you are trying to put into context what Ford is thinking, basically it is scaling up to compete with Tesla.

This thread is tiresome. Buy what you want and use it as you please. Problem solved.

So PHEVs are horrible because they’re not BEVs and if we keep driving them the planet will explode. Got it, let’s move on.

I agree but what about the people that do plug them in? Saying that people are wasting money and not getting the full benefit is a lot different than saying they’re gross polluters or that they’re using 50% more fuel. Also - if you want a hybrid Lincoln you only have 2 choices - Corsair and Aviator - and both are PHEV only. So don’t blame people for buying a PHEV if there is no HEV available.

Wait - are you saying that cars using gas pollute more than cars using electricity? Who knew? That difference depends ENTIRELY on how the owner uses it. So a phev has the potential for significant reductions and AT WORSE it’s the same as a HEV.

You’re looking backwards, not forwards. VW and Stellantis are in big trouble in home market Europe and in China where up to half of their profit is derived. Their premium compact sales are being stolen by Tesla and those buyers are never coming back. Both brands are acting like zombie corporates, just going through the motions in Europe and China but have no idea how to compete with Tesla, this year will see another major shift with Tesla price reductions taking hold of even more sales. The world’s love affair with Japanese carmakers seems to be over too, Honda, Nissan and Mazda suffering a huge reversal of fortune while Toyota appears just as clueless as VW and Stellantis. If we go into a serious economic downturn, I don’t think the Japanese government has enough cash reserve to keep its car industry afloat.

I don’t see many Aviator buyers going to an Explorer Vignale. A decade or two ago sure but they’ve stepped up the Lincoln design and features quite considerably the last few years. I don’t think it’s going away anytime soon.