Sherminator98

And nearly 50% of there population is over the age of 50 also

IMO I think lots of information about the 3 row EV has been conflated with information about other products from reading in-between the lines with the cadence of other products like the Explorer. That is also why I kind wonder about the CE1 program too-its being reported that it is going to be a pickup between the Ranger and Maverick, but we already have a larger pickup in the form of T3 and I don't see much sense in that unless its some sort of Bronco affiliated product, given the market acceptance of EVs currently. Also I don't think Louisville is going to get an EV product either and the battery plant is for HEV/EREV Super Duties for the other plant near there. My bet is that BOC gets EV products for the time being and Louisville gets ICE/hybrid products that replace or are in addition to the Escape/Corsair being built there. Hopefully we hear something about Ford's path Forward by Memorial Day

I'd say the Explorer sticks around in some form...it been its best name plate for the past 30 years and generally has a good reputation The low cost EV (Pickup and Crossover) I'm guessing get roped into Bronco family, which is more important for the NA market then the Ranger. I'd also assume the low cost EV will replace the Mach E at some point and maybe the coupe Mustang when it can't be an ICE product anymore.

Net International Migration Drives Highest U.S. Population Growth in Decades The Demographic Outlook: 2024 to 2054 Long term the popluation is going to shrink because of age and people having less children to replace the ones dying off.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/07/25/the-experiences-of-u-s-adults-who-dont-have-children/

Well the white one is a concept and the Blue one is a production vehicle, but I can see the design influence in it from the concept.

Younger generations aren't having kids for various reasons. There are huge demographic implications from this that are already showing in the EU because of this. It used to be around 2.3 children per family and now its down to 1.94 as of 2023.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/nearly-half-of-young-americans-dont-want-to-own-a-car-survey

Think I fixed it..didn't know it was broken lol

I think the biggest issue with a Hybrid setup for the Mustang is how does it fit as a performance vehicle. Using the Ranger PHEV as the Hybrid setup for the Mustang, you have 275hp with 509 ft lb of Torque with the R10 transmission The Ecoboost Mustang is rated at 310 HP/315 ft lbs and I'm not sure if a huge increase in torque would be a good selling point for a Mustang. You have the rumors of FWD/AWD setup, so using the Nautilus as base line-the two motors on that add 60HP to the base Ecoboost. So if you use the Nautilus style Hybrid motors on the Mustang, you'd get around 400HP-but would the additional weight off set any performance gains? Just using these two examples, I don't see a reason for Ford to use a hybrid setup in the coupe Mustang unless they are forced too. A hybrid setup would be a far better setup for a Sedan or off road influenced Mustang, if they ever come about.

https://www.motor1.com/news/747639/ford-wants--to-be-porsche-of-off-road/

Your not wrong there, that is why I expect the Mustang, once it moves to a new EV platform to move to a different plant.

Right but what is being talked the old continental is more or less the same exact thing, which makes me wonder how viable it would be. It was a full sized product like the new Taurus is in the Middle East but I think something smaller like the Lincoln Z would work better at its size and price point

We more or less already had that and it was built at Flat Rock too.

So since you want to use facts here: Mustang sales the past couple of years: https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/ford-mustang-sales-figures/ Mustang Sales from last month: So if Ford didn't experience Supply constraints last month, the would have actually sold about 3-4K more Mustangs (using December 2023s numbers) this past year vs 2023s yearly total. What this all boils down to is manufactured outrage using the Mach E as ammunition when it was just a fluke month that screwed yearly sales totals up. As for the CAFE comments-Mustang sales have been on a downward trend since 2015...so depending on how the CAFE enforcement has changed since then, that would just add smoke to support that fire.

Not sure what your talking about..the concept is almost identical the production vehicle?

Subaru is more or less controlled by Toyota, so lets call a spade a spade....and you have to really wonder how profitable a RWD platform is that only sells 25K units a year. The have a different cost structure then most US makers, but even other companies that are selling mainstream cars give up on them if they sell in low numbers like that (Kia Stinger for example) The Toyota-Subaru partnership is a lot more involved below the surface At least in the Mustangs case, the vast majority of the engineering work has been paid off because they are more or less using the same platform for 20+ years now. Yeah its been updated and given a tune up over those 20 years, but most of the big buck items are amortized already.

Once again the jump in price wasn't that much over the 2024 for a deep refresh-it was roughly 3K more Just doing the math on a car loan-figuring 10K down at 5% @ 60 months the difference in a monthly payment between 50K and 55K is under a $100 bucks a month. Like I said before, lots of what is going on is actual sticker shock vs being able to afford it...yeah in a big ticket item like a house its a huge issue, but not so much with a vehicle.

LOL your confusing a mass market Luxury maker with a storied Luxury maker that is trying to reestablish itself as a bespoke luxury car by being stupidly pretentious

I found this cart from St Louis Fed https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N# So a couple things to keep in mind- People where getting COVID stimulus checks in 2020/21-I was one of them and really didn't need it since I was affect as much as maybe some other people needed it Look at the chart-income dropped in 2022...because those stimulus checks stopped, but income increased in 2023 to what it was in 2019 (off this chart) and inflation kept going up. So I'm guessing that expense thing is two things-people incomes shrinking due to lack of stimulus check in 2022 and inflation increasing during the same time. I know I got some decent cost of living and step increases at my job (which I happened to start in 2020) and I make about 20-25% more then I did prior to 2020, but I still don't feel like I'm making more then what I did prior to that because of cost increases on everything too.

This is the concept that it is based off of

They sold a whopping 5081 Supras worldwide in 2023 about 25K GR86/BRZ in 2023 The Mustang still outsold both of them.

Guess you never figured that the costs in making that smaller car more fuel efficient would drive the cost up, so it would be similar to a larger car anyways? Your not going to see a huge improvement in MPGs by just making a car smaller or lighter like you did 30-40 years ago-many of those improvements where due to improved transmissions, fuel injection etc. Weight is a major issue with smaller cars because they still have perform the same as a larger vehicle in crash testing, so you have airbags, crumple zones, etc that add to weight. Also don't forget that once you hit the 25 MPG mark, its all diminishing returns after that anyways http://www.mpgillusion.com/p/what-is-mpg-illusion.html

But the stock price has been dropping, its around $10 a share.

Far better looking then the Honda EV Concepts.