Sherminator98

But sales numbers of sedans over the past 15 years have been in decline. I think what a lot of people miss is that there is a substantial amount of buyers out there that don't give a shit or buy the cheapest thing possible without any other considerations. I also believe Ford is targeting the ones that do give or want something "extra" in their products, because more often then not they'll be loyal buyers down the road.

But your argument isn't any different then what your saying with the Focus getting replaced by the Ranger-The Edge/MKX where replaced by different products in the lineup like I mentioned that might appeal to that demographic that would have bought them. Like I have said before-don't mistake the vocal minority with who actually buys things. If that was the case, I could give you a list of cars that should have sold well over the past 20 years like wagons, stick shifts, etc.

The world wide Auto manufacturing base is way over due for a consolation-as a stock holder, I don't have an issue with Ford prevailing in commercial sales vs consumer sales because the consumer market is going to change quite a bit over the next 20 years-I'm not saying self driving cars are going to be a thing (they will but not in as big of an impact as some people are expecting), but with demographics getting older and younger people not as interested in driving, there are going to be some major changes coming. Commercially I don't see changes being as impactful

Once again those products where replaced by other products that went into a completely different direction- I've argued that the Edge market was covered by the Mach E and the Bronco to an extent. The Maverick replaced the Focus and Fiesta as a low cost product.

Here lies the issue-its not just going to be Ford doing this-given how CAFE is determined with footprint, smaller vehicles are going to be forced into becoming EVs because it makes most sense to do so-their smaller size/weight makes them great candidates to do so. Not to mention once the Battery cost issue is solved or lowered, it will be easier for manufactures to make money on them vs ICE products of the same size that will be much more complicated to produce (Hybrid/EREV tech) to meet CAFE.

IMO its kind of a nothing burger-the 26MY can start in the late summer/fall of 2025 and its not like Ford is going to shut the plant down for 2 years (well maybe given what is happening at Oakville)-so the Escape/Corsair will be built till the end of the year at least, maybe into the Spring of 2026 then retool for whatever is coming next and that would lead into the 2027MY Product at the end of 2026

You sure about that? https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2024/08/21/ford-broadens-electrification-strategy-to-reach-more-customers--.html That isn't to say that the plan hasn't changed since last August when this was put out LOL

Also the uncertainty of what is coming next with changes from government regulations etc

Ford sure seems adamant about not having an P/HEV Ranger or Bronco sold in the US going by peoples' comments over the past few years. Maybe they are going to tackle this some other way? But then again Ford's plan has changed quite a few times in the past 24 months and we still have no idea what their path forward is going to be going forward even though they would be providing guidance in the Spring...and its 40 days from summer.

One possibility is that there might be features/options that might be built into a car just to keep the configurations down to a minimum that can be activated with software even sold at a later date for a fixed price. Just as an example, it might be just easier to build every single vehicle with heated seats, even if they aren't activated off the assembly line. Down the road, someone can pay say a one time charge of $500 (pulling that number out of my ass) to get it work for the rest of the time they use the car. But that is also offset by people say wanting physical buttons in cars to do something like that. But that is a marketing and engineering exercise that I have no interest in solving without getting paid for it

yes that is the system in the Bronco Sport, but the regular Bronco has the one that bounces off the lines.

Going by the horribly translated comments (which one was anti EV, which I found hysterical)-Maybe this new Energy Bronco might be an EREV? Which would explain the new part about it.

I'm guessing its the coastal edition trim we are getting for the Bronco here.

Don't think that would be possible due to crash standards

Or has no clue how the auto industry works.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-executives-no-buybacks-commercial-134353339.html Uh No duh....

https://www.jalopnik.com/1854740/tesla-robotaxi-cybercab-trademarks-denied/

The Super duper Mustang

isn't that hardware often tied to other equipment on the vehicle that might be more useful or a standard option? Like the lane keeping cameras that might be part of a 360 camera setup? The real question is how much of it is a software function vs hardware. if its software only, it would be far more profitable because the HW already exists on the vehicle

Just doing some quick math, that adds about 40 bucks to a monthly payment on a 32k vs 34K price on a car with 10K down at 5% interest.

Don't under estimate people over buying vehicles. It explains why people are buying larger vehicles or pickups-just because hey it is nice to have a pickup to take junk to recycling 2x a year or bring home a big screen TV without needing it getting shipped to your house. Or when you get your crotch goblin from school and need to take their friends to sports practice or something like that. If you really want to get down to it, we only need one or two passenger vehicles because 75% of the time I'd venture to say that only one person is in a vehicle.

I think its getting to the point that might not be even enough. Just using the Escape as an example, its 9 MPG increase combined vs the 1.5L Ecoboost, with all the savings for around town driving. So maybe PHEVs will be a better solution On larger vehicles, like the F-150, the overall savings are minuscule and hybrids are just marketed as a power adder.

Another reason why sedans aren't going to be popular with manufactures

So I was doing the math- The Bronco Sport is 53.95 sq ft and using the Mondeo Sport its Footprint is 59.89 sq ft I was looking at the CAFE charts, but not sure if it would make that big of an impact?