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What are you talking about? https://climate.ec.europa.eu/document/download/b644dafe-1385-4b56-98d9-21e7e9f3601b_en?filename=report.pdf It just seems like that peoples biases are coming through without actually reading what the report says and the information in it.

Your the one introjecting your political view into this...all it is showing is that PHEVs aren't showing in the real world as big of an improvement as they should when it comes to reducing CO2 emissions from vehicles. When then begs the reason, why spend extra on PHEV if your not going to use it?

My brother in law and former sister in law used to own a Nissan Quest that was called Millennium Falcon

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30173251/ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-acceleration-testing/ Faster 0-60 and off .4 second and 18 MPH in 1/4 mile

They don't-I was taking issue with adding a hybrid to large truck would automatically make it so much more efficient when things like the F-150 powerboost show it really doesn't make a huge impact like it does in other products that are smaller/lighter and use a CVT. Its the application of scale-larger vehicles are going to need a bigger motor and larger batteries, which in turn add more weight, which impacts performance and FE, amoung other things. I also think if it made that big of an improvement. manufactures in the HD market would be rolling it out sooner then later.

https://nypost.com/2024/04/08/business/teslas-cybertrucks-were-rushed-out-are-malfunctioning-at-astounding-rate/

That is a bit of a leap there The market in general has many different issue, with the biggest being pricing and interest rates along with the general feeling of uncertainty with the economy. With inflation cutting into peoples buying power, people are finally making more prudent purchasing decisions. Plunging Pickup Truck Sales Threaten Detroit’s Profit Engine Then add in the uncertainty with consumers and EVs, the early adaptors won't have an issue, but people who are on the fence are going to be harder to convince, are you going to buy something that might have a 300-400 mile range in 20 minutes 2-3 years after you buy one? The EV market needs to mature more before people become comfortable in buying them. Hopefully the charging infrastructure still grows even as EV demand softens over the next few years to help mitigate that issue.

the US is more or less energy independent from the rest of the world at this point.

The problem is that you have all that extra weight in the engine block that isn't necessary for gas engine due to the lower compression ratios. I'd also venture to guess that the setup for the heads for a Diesel and Gas engine could be quite different also, depending on what they use.

CVT don't work for towing applications like this engine would be required to be doing...that is my response to that. It might work in a light duty application, but it won't for vehicle that needs to tow or haul things.

I'm guessing the "headlights" are the tall light bars on the side of the fascia? It looks weird.

Given the fact that hybrids don't really improve gas mileage in larger engines, I don't think that is going to happen anyways.

Because the data being collected actually shows when the vehicle is actually charged https://green-driving.jrc.ec.europa.eu/JRCmatics_Monitoring_Fuel_Consumption_from_OBD

Well read this then: https://climate.ec.europa.eu/document/download/b644dafe-1385-4b56-98d9-21e7e9f3601b_en?filename=report.pdf OBFCM: On-Board Fuel Consumption Monitoring

They've also haven't had the best track record with often showing photoshops of vehicles as spy shots.

But depending on who you believe, the lightning might not be selling to them either. I'd think that Ford wouldn't want to divide the market for something that doesn't sell that well.

I don't see much happening to BOC outside of maybe a delay or two with product. I think Ford winding down the Lightning production is telling also, since I don't expect the Lightning to stick around once the new EV truck is in production. Also I see other plants maybe getting shut down in NA (like Flat Rock) later this decade with the product going to BOC as the EV transition goes on.

But how would that affect the benefits they've gotten from the Canadian government?

Different bumper...not sure what else has changed on it. Hopefully maybe a move to a 800V system so it can charge faster.

https://insideevs.com/features/695492/epa-vs-wltp-ev-range-difference https://climate.ec.europa.eu/document/download/b644dafe-1385-4b56-98d9-21e7e9f3601b_en?filename=report.pdf So the study already addressed that part...WLTP is just a baseline test but the expected difference in the "real world" was quite a bit more then it should be. The difference in ICE was 21% vs an expected 20%

I'm not, the various governments apparently don't think that enough or they would say hey its ok if you just make hybrids, instead for pushing the market towards ultra low or no CO2 emissions vehicles (PHEV or EV).

The issue is that your using your own experience as gospel for everyone else, when the data obliviously is contradicting that, not to mention just basic human nature for not knowing any better or not even caring when using a car. You also missed the point, that in the eyes of the government and its regulations and what the manufacturers are doing to meet them, by using PHEVs, they aren’t as effective from reducing a CO2 perspective as they where thought to be, because a significant amount of people aren’t using them properly. As for plugging in-they are tested to be plugged in to get the max efficiency out of them. Average driving distance is roughly 30 miles a day, which using the Escape PHEV, a single charge can do or at least use its ICE to a bare minimum. Otherwise your burning some fuel to get where you need too.

Nah I wouldn't go that far, maybe a restyling or other improvements. The Skunkworks was about making an more affordable EV that would be around Escape sized.

Thanks for summing up what I was unsuccessfully trying to get out