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12 minutes ago, akirby said:
Same argument for speeding up development of new vehicles. Delivering months early can add a lot to the bottom line, but it's a gamble. Only Ford knows if the gamble pays off on specific vehicles. I'm willing to bet it did not for Explorer and Aviator but maybe it did on Escape/Corsair.
I remember reading about how Hackett was forcing culture change everywhere and some of it was tied to product development.....he wanted them to speed up development time significantly and I think this is a direct result of those inititatives. Much debate about Hackett, but I will just say I'm glad to see Farley in charge.
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"For the first nine months of 2020, Ford's warranty costs totaled $3.87 billion, while GM's were $1.68 billion, according to regulatory filings."
That is a huge difference and drops right to the bottom line....looks like their warranty costs have been trending up for years. Years ago, under Mullaly, the supplier's had given Ford a fairly high ranking compared to GM and FCA....I think the latest rankings have them near the bottom.
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3 minutes ago, jpd80 said:
This is a dangerous narrative, to assume that extrapolation
This is what happens on the internet, certain ideas an perceptions are pushed and magnified until they become fact
and by golly, when enough folks read about it, well there's no smoke without fire so it has to be true, yes?
Your two statements conflict each other.....either way, you can choose to believe what CR has stated or not....and to Fuzzy's point-he's not hearing of any other issues-maybe it is isolated, I'm not sure....but those are opinions. I wish that we were talking about how good Ford did on this ranking and other quality studies. I also feel that Ford knows they cannot fuck up any upcoming launches-the stakes are way to big....hope I'm right.
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2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
NO OTHER PUBLICATION HAS MENTIONED IT. WTF IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?Got it (lower caps)....agree or disagree....this is what the data is showing. Now is it a major issue or are their competitors just doing a very good job relative to Ford? Who knows, but just because you haven't heard about it does not mean that their is not raw analytical data to support the analysis. All lower caps......
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22 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
If it's really that big of an issue why hasn't literally ANYONE else published a piece about it?I don't follow what you are saying.....CR pushes out the exact survey to a sample of the population that purchased new cars and gets info back from the consumer. If these issues were not a big deal, than the survey would reflect that. I am pretty particular about squeaks, rattles, annoying software, etc. and would certainly want those issues addressed on a dealer visit.
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1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
Ok so literally one publication who's job it is to nitpick. Got it.They are not nitpicking! They look at data that consumers have supplied-not CR staff and share that with the public. Their is no conspiracy theory here and obviously the data supplied by the consumer is correct. For whatever reason, the Edge, has a good quality rating and pretty easy to see why.....they've had minor changes to that vehicle over the past 10 years and over time been able to improve the quality of the product.
CoolScoop-glad to know that you've not had any issues (not any recalls either?) and that color is gorgeous.
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12 hours ago, jpd80 said:
Maybe time to take a breath and with how many Explorers being sold are problematic compared to the 20,000 odd being sold every month?
No matter how few, some problems are inexcusable but we need to look at that in respect to how many are sold to happy customers with no serious issues.
The internet is notorious for being a repository of bad news that gets magnified to the point where folks believe everything they read. All of our information is trust based, we trust what others are saying because it’s either single point first hand experience or comes from other sources those folks believe to be true. All I’d ask is that people keep an open mind......
Some validity to what you are saying but the bottom line is this is Ford's own fault and will have to pay the price. And you could say sales are strong but who knows, how many lost sales have occurred? Warranty costs are thru the roof and going to be hard to reduce much for the foresable future with new product launches, which always are more problematic early on.
I think some of that will improve under Farley but he's not a miracle worker and Ford has never really put quality and reliability as a top priority, throughout their lineup. They've had a few vehicles that have done well but that is in the minority and I'm not sure why. You would think with the Ford family still controlling the company that they would at least give a shit about their own brand. But than again, this is the same family that owns the Lions:)
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Has Ford ever been on the "BOTTOM" of this list? Very embarassing when you are worse than Tesla and hopefully a big gut check. I'm looking forward to seeing how much they improve in the next year or two under Farley. This has to be a major major priority.
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They might be supply constrained on Motorcraft batteries and using another supplier?
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Think this is a few months old but worth watching.
I’m a 20 plus year fan of these guys and think they nailed it.
Has anyone ever had a Sierra? I loved that car as a Merkur but never driven one but one of my all time favorite vehicles
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On 11/15/2020 at 1:53 PM, jpd80 said:
One thing is for sure, Ford doesn't reverse a decision like this without already feeling some financial hurt
from missing out on hybrid/ PHEV sales. They're probably already banging up hard against supply limits
that underestimated actual demand. Not the first time this has happened by the way, lesson not learned.
I think this comes only with a change in leadership. Not sure This happens with Hackett still in charge.
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On 11/2/2020 at 11:38 AM, akirby said:
I did.....
That explains a lot:)))-
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On 10/30/2020 at 10:02 PM, fuzzymoomoo said:
Not much of anything was said under Fields....And nobody could understand what Hackett was saying....
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6 hours ago, YT90SC said:
Water leaks. Hose Clamps not installed. Broken/misinstalled panels. Connector assembly issues. There is nothing that is "commonplace" other than cameras, trans coolers and "A" clutch problems.
Seriously. Avoid.
Glad I did and that has got to suck being at the dealer level and having to sell something you know has so many issues.
I’m not sure I would buy any vehicle made out of Chicago.
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On 10/29/2020 at 11:49 AM, Anthony said:
My guess is that it is controlled by the knobs in the center console. I don't think that's a touchscreen.
That will definitely be a touch screen. Same as the GV 80.
I agree with RMC. That oval kind of reminds of second gen Taurus’s. Not a good thing. -
Thanks for sharing....Interesting data for sure......wonder if the APR data is old or like they say-average-since interest rates are pretty low but not everyone is going to get the best rate. Stark contract when looking at APR and cost of a car and easily see the difference between someone with wealth vs. someone more middle to lower that does not have as good as credit.
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There is definitely a sweet spot in the market for this truck....and one of the few spots where for whatever reason, Ford has neglected and not sure why?
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Looking at the two vehicles, there seems to be a different side mirror/camera set up. The thing is huge in the Expedition, barely noticeable on the white Nav and seems in between on the black Navigator. And after seeing how GM placed the rear wiper at the top and hidden-this is the only thing I see when looking at the rear end!
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Here is another review and first I've seen-looks like all the guys were in the same media event up near Lake Tahoe. I really like this truck and think it is forcing Ford to up their game also-which I have no doubt they will do.
And do you think anyone who buys these trucks give a shit about fuel mileage or premium gas?
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Saw this review last night by Speed Phenom and got a better look at this vehicle. I love this kids passion for cars and find him very sincere, but I would be lying if I said I also wasn't a little jealous!!!
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1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
Yeah FCA really screwed themselves with the timing of that didn't they? Should have made this 2 years ago when they knew a new Raptor was a few years away. Instead they gave Ford a jump on reclaiming the crown.
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2 hours ago, mustang let back said:
I would never buy from Garbage Motors!!
Great post and glad to see some meaningful contribution!!
Not sure when the last time we've had 6 plus pages on a competitive product on this forum so it that regards, it must mean something.
Lot's of good points made and keep in mind, this is one vehicle of many that will GM has coming out the next few years, including a BEV Silverado/Sierra.
This race won't be won in a day or a year or two and hard to say who the winners/losers will be, but love seeing the market evolve. I grew up with my family all employed by GM but in my blood, always been a Ford guy. I've owned or had corporate vehicles from both makes but not a GM guy at all. But love the industry and respect every OEM, including Tesla (which is damn hard to admit) but to say this vehicle is a loser or they are stupid to make this vehicle is very short sighted. Thankfully-we aren't the final verdict, but the market always is.
On a lighter note, I was over in Fort Myers past few days working and around the corner from a customer visit, I came across a Roush facility and they had 2 Bronco Sports, 3 new F150's, a Mustang MachE and a new Kia Sorento-Bronco Sport looked great and the 150 has a way different look than the current version. Mustang MachE looks great as well:)
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3 minutes ago, fordmantpw said:
And yet Hummer still went the way of the dodo bird. I rest my case.
So did the Bronco!!!! Hummer has a lot of brand equity and recognition, just like Bronco-no surprise they revived both nameplates.
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1 hour ago, PREMiERdrum said:
Good catch! I'm much more of a bourbon drinker than a beer drinker these days, but I'm an equal opportunity beer enjoy-er. The sign was a gift from a friend who owns a small, local brewery.
(https://www.granvillebrewing.com/)
That beer actually looks tasty as hell! Nice job on the garage-now you just have 9 more months to wait:)......enough time to do the floors!
Farley to address high warranty costs.
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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Does "accruals" mean costs? Also with the data showing a spike in late 2010 and this conflicting with RP's CR data would some of this be explained by model roll over? RP's is showing 2010 models-late 2010 data will reflect 2011 models also.....but sorting thru all of this you could also say that some of those warranty costs could of been from a 2008 Explorer since standard warranty was 3/36? Data overload for me-i'm not an engineer or pretend to be one.....just glad to see them making changes and hopeful that will lead to results. There is no way Ford/Lincoln should not be on par with at least the Koreans!