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This is as close to vertical integration as Ford can get, excellent move IMO, the place is huge.

Megazilla sounds interesting

Other states are also moving to more green power and renewables, so while not 100%, changes are coming. I wonder if Tesla has a big role in the future with battery storage plants to supply power when solar and wind can’t. Musk will probably be all over this in the next year or so

Think about the justification process behind that change after a decade of direct drive on Coyote and two decades before that on MOD motors. Probably costs 50 cents cheaper to do the new way…….. engineers saying the new oil pump will support up to 1,000 hp, whatever that implies….

Posted by Ford media 4.22” x 3.68” https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North America/US/2022/09/27/2023-ford-f-series-super-duty-technical-specifications.pdf

Ironically in the Aussie market, the 302 Cleveland engine was marketed as the 4.9 and the 351 as 5.8 (Australia going metric in 1974). Noticing that the US switched to litres for engine capacity decades ago, so rounding up or down is the norm, thanks for explaining 5.0 sbf vs 4.9 I6

Since the 6.8 is roughly 10% more capacity than the 6.2, does that mean the torque and horsepower could be 10% more? That would mean the 6.8 could have 420 hp and 470 lb ft, enough to pip the GM 6.6 L8T’s 401 hp 464 lb ft. GM L8T

Interesting. Another source said this, Will be intersting when Ford finally decides to share more details, I think they’re waiting to see that GM says about the 2023 HD twins’ 6.6 gasoline V8 power and torque.

So originally, the Mods, Coyote and cyclone V6 all had oil pump mounted on the front of the crank

Power and torque output is them new measuring contest, be interesting to see which company wants bragging rights the most….

Just thinking about the 6.8/7.3 possible power and torque versus the GM 6.6 V8, Direct Injection gives the 6.6 L8T 464 lb ft @ 4,000 and 401 hp @ 5,200 (400 lb ft) If the 7.3 is increased to 450 hp/485 lb ft, then that would put the 6.8 around 420 hp/450 lb ft then that would give both Ford engines a broad torque curve and real advantage over the GM V8.

The 7.3’s oil pump is most definitely chain driven.

Yes, same as now with 6.2 vs 7.3 but you watch Ford spin this with new 6.8 & 10R100 as big improvement over 6.2 & 6AT. This could also be cover for Silverado 2500 with 6.6 v8 gas engine….

They found less power used with chain drive oil pump, did Coyote go this way too? I think ther was talk of that.

The 6.8 is offered so that Ford can continue charging more for the 7.3. The 6.8 being less costly to manufacture than the 6.2 is an improvement in savings while also allowing Ford to close Romeo engine. Ford is making the 6.8 available in XL and XLT so obvious that it’s main market is fleet sales - keep in mind that this will compete against GM’s 6.6, so still slightly more capacity but cheaper to produce… and yes, it’s also marketing spin that Ford has something new while increasing the power and torque of 7.3 to justify continuing the premium price, same for high output 6.7 Diesel. It all about saving money while charging more and making the customer think it’s a good deal.

The new 6.8 gets 10R100 gearbox……interesting.

FYI, the 7.3 crankshaft is a factory forging, so the 6.8 being a forging is unsurprising

Well, Ford has seen fit to develop the 6.8 and they intend using it in Super Duty so they obviously see a need as a way to expand gasoline sales.

With a Superduty, I would be thinking that that a 6.8/7.3 with hybrid for launch and energy conservation in variable speed driving might make enough difference over buying a diesel…..might be worth a shot.

Does anyone find it really strange why Ford picked Stanton Tennessee for BOC? It looks to be a bit isolated form the rest of Ford’s operations. Even Ford’s SK JV battery pack is not right next to Louisville AP or Kentucky Truck Plant, about 20 miles south as the crow flies… Would Ford build a new Assembly Plant next door to the battery plant or just supply LAP and KTP?

You can see quite clearly that Ford cares little about Escape, they spent money on the 2023 model but it’s clear they just don’t support it like in the past ……..commodity vehicle?

Farley is also convinced that the $3 billion annual spend on advertising is excessive and is being slashed as part of increasing profits.

It’s an example of the disorganisation going on within Ford, priorities and people in controlling positions have changed

Or Mustang buyers really didn’t want hybrids?