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Ford is certainly becoming the decontenting king as well.

The three row could perhaps go to Flat Rock where it was first intended to go before it was allocated to OHAP and then OAC. I know FRAP needs a new paint shop, but that was in the plans until it was cancelled immediately after the 2019 UAW contract was ratified.

Three row could go to BOC?

Perhaps this is the mystery Flat Rock product????

What makes this clown such an authority?

I don't expect either of them to close. Flat Rock may not be the most efficient, but it makes Ford a lot of money like GM's Corvette plant. Closing either of them will be politically toxic and the UAW now has the right to strike the company over plant closings.

gm is even worse.

The UAW won the right to strike over plant closings. Shutting a plant will be a lot more painful for the company than in the past.

The Mustang will probably be ICE for decades to come given the current slowdown in expected EV adoption.

It is the paint shop that is the choke point. Ford twice cancelled a new paint shop for FRAP under Hatchet Hackett.

Was it Mulally or Hackett?

It seems gm and Ford get things wrong more than others. I do not see them as adapting with this move- it is simply kicking the can down the road while abandoning yet more market segments and ceding yet more market share.

Incompetence, incompetence, incompetence. Ford and gm got it so wrong. Why are we to believe them about 2027?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ford-patents-potential-ice-saving-technology/ar-BB1j2nYo?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=1e1aedb1cb27487a8befde80194c9420&ei=7

I think Ford and GM are pooping bricks right now. Gm committed three of their plants to EVs and Ford two. I'm sure they are looking to supplement ICE and hybrid production in at least a few of these plants

I think Ford regrets the whole BOC thing. For the time being, these vehicles could have been accommodated in a present plant.

This plant is going to be Ford's Saturn. Saturn was supposed to build 500000 vehicles a year but got scaled back. Unless hybrids and ICE vehicles are in the mix for this BOC, this plant will probably never break 125-150k units a year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/17/climate/biden-epa-auto-emissions.html

The problem is the entity that allows them to come back in the first place.b

Of course not, I know how the system works. But if they wanted to get rid of the loafers bad enough they would find a way. Weak management allows these people to come back time and time again. They need to draw a line.

No. Those who are not doing their jobs or comes to work need to be disciplined, however that is management's job. People only get away with what they are allowed to.

No. One of the principles of TQM and Demmings is that management is ultimately responsible for quality. If it goes out the door the onus is on management to fix it

I would venture to say there is a bit of difference in the work ethic from your grandfather's time 55 years ago compared to today.

Many have no idea of the process. They are brilliant when it comes to theory and book smarts, but some lack common sense and the humility to learn. When mistakes are made on the floor it is the operators and management to fix their mistakes.

I have no problem with the pay provided the company is successful. However, when companies are run into the ground and poor decisions after poor decisions are made, the pay is not warranted. In Ford's case, the company's quality and launch issues are well documented and we have a CEO ripping the hourly employees in the media which is never a good thing to do. If Farley did not like the contract he should not have signed off on it. Incidentally, I would not switch jobs with the CEO based on pay. I worked hard and am financially comfortable. I do know if I messed up as some of the CEOs have, I would have been out of a job years ago.