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I don't know why you guys are even responding to such an obvious troll. CSMJ obviously takes great pleasure in the demise of the average Ford worker and at the same time....the demise of the middle class. I hope CSMJ is ready for the race to the bottom.
Unless he's in the top 10% of wage earners, it will only be a matter of time before the "China-Mart" shopping mentality will affect him also. This may be conjecture, but I'm sure it's dangerously close to fact.
Unless CSMJ is in upper management at a global firm or he Owns a company that outsources all of its work and doesn't rely on the U.S. Consumer.....he too will be affected by the demise of the middle class in America. When 60% of the population starts to make 1/2 of what they used to, they will stop buying "superficial" things. The priorities will be #1) feed the family, #2) House the family, #3)Try to find a job that enables 1 and 2 , and #4) get to said job.
There will be next to no crappy Chinese toy buying (no matter how cheap), cottage purchases, rental purchases, new car purchases, or boat purchases. Also as an extra special bonus, U.S. Corps. will realize that they can outsource almost any white collar job to Indian and Chinese contractors. Hey why pay $100k a year for an IT, when you can get a better educated Indian for $40K.
The average U.S. consumer will become a "necessity only" purchaser, and poor China will have a huge amount of cheap plastic crap, that they won't be able to do anything with.
Welcome to our generation CSMJ, the China-Mart generation. We can all be proud to go down in history, as the Generation that gave away everything our fathers and grandfathers fought for.
Learn Chinese CSMJ, it's your only chance at a viable future. :shades:
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HEY ASSHOLE,
how about adding some more videos to your shit ?
I gotta agree Pisteon,..... It's gettin' a little out of hand.
You're like an old Cat lady, except you're not addicted to cats you're addicted to videos. :lol:
Aw... I'm just F'n with you, I could care less...... "I'm Rick James Bitch".....what did the 5 fingers say the face? .... SLAP...AH, Ah,Ah.
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"Perviously" Are you calling me a pervert? Can I touch your pooper?
:lol: Yeah, I was wondering what "Perviously" meant as well.
"The dirty old man perviously approached the young womens buttocks, and with his quivering hand... gave her a nice pat on the behind".
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From what I've read recently, Wall Street is pretty much counting on the VEBA being a done deal. If a VEBA doesn't happen, the big 3's stock prices will get hammered. If the VEBA does happen, I think we can expect similar results as to when Goodyear agreed to a VEBA with the Steelworkers........ almost an immediate 15-25% gain in stock values. This could be a very lucrative time for those willing to gamble a little.
Speaking as a Ford shareholder and employee, I have very mixed feelings on this. As an Employee I've already voiced my opinions about the Union taking over the liability's of the VEBA. As a stock holder, I'm honestly thinking about buying an extra 10K in ford stock....because I'm fairly certain the VEBA is going to happen. As LEN_A stated, I think we all need to hope that the UAW will simply drop this huge amount of money into the laps of a tried and true, conservative, investment/accounting firm and hope for the best.
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I really have no faith in the ability of the UAW to manage such a huge liability/Fund. I think ahead... about 5 years and have terrible images in my head, of unqualified, middle school educated, UAW Reps being led out of the UAW international in handcuffs. This will be like giving out blank checks to crackheads. Unless this money is very closely watched and scrutinized, it will be skimmed, pilfered and "invested poorly". In 4 years, we'll all see a bulletin stating that " Due to the increasing high cost of health care, and underperfoming investments, the VEBA will have to be supplemented to the tune of $2000 per employee".
We've all seen the UAW membership dwindle to less than 40% of what it once was, and yet our beloved international has remained as bloated as it ever was. This really sounds like an efficient, well run organization. Definitely an organization that I'd like to infuse a Multi billion dollar investment in. The corruption, kickbacks, payoffs and favoritism that this massive amount of money will create are truly scary. If you guys think that all the shady shit that happens at a local level, amazingly stops as soon as the same individuals go "down town".....I've got a nice bridge to sell you in Brooklyn, N.Y. .
I also have serious questions about the, "what if" scenario of the enactment of a U.S. national health care system. I doubt this will ever happen, but if it does... what happens to this money? I highly doubt the UAW would refund the money to its members, or even increase the retirement benefits. This would be a pure windfall for the UAW. I foresee a MASSIVE expansion of International, doubling the size.....all in the name of "Increasing new membership campaigns" i.e.....an excuse to pay every brother, cousin, nephew, and friend $80,000 a year to do nothing.
As you can tell, I'm a very skeptical person. I absolutely believe in the fundamental beliefs of a union, without collective bargaining I don't think we'd have a middle class in the U.S. Unfortunately I think the modern UAW has become a nepotistic, self serving, uncompetitive joke. The UAW no longer serves its average member, it serves itself and the lazy P.O.S worker. Make sure you get the drunk, crackhead his job back, so you can saddle his hardworking coworkers with twice the work.
If you mess up once.... thats O.K., if you mess up again...well, this is your last chance.....the third time, you're GONE. Lets cut the fat, and prove that good, hardworking UAW members cannot be equaled in their work ethic, and efficiency. Lets remain competitive, and keep our good paying jobs here in the U.S. .
It'll be very hard to compete with $2 per hour Chinese workers, when we've got $30 an hour UAW workers stating......"that's not my job, all I can do is sit here and read my paper". IMO the modern UAW needs a serious protocol overhaul, and a massive leadership cleansing.
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Well, my shop got sold. New owner came in on Tuesday - with his wife, and one of his sons. That didn't bode well. Got a phone call this afternoon, about 4:30 from my boss...sort of ex-boss, in two ways. He got canned, too, along with our ISO coordinator and two shop machinists. Five of us. I'm not surprised - we were losing 25 grand a month. Can five people - just eliminated, at least, 80% of that deficit.
Oh well. Wife & I booked another Vegas trip for October 22. Unless someone makes a really great offer before then, I'm going to take my vacation.
I gotta admit, for the last eighteen months, all I've done is gone through the motions. Bank that was our trustee has wanted me fired for two years, and the 40% pay cut last year just sucked.
Sort of bummed, but it's been anti-climatic, too. We all saw this coming, in slow motion, like a train wreck. Manufacturers rep who the bank (Comerica) put in charge of the Ford service parts business has just let that business slip away, and it gutted our company.
Len_A, I know you and me have differed in our opinions in the past....but that's irrelevant. I take no pleasure in your pain. I'm very sorry to hear about your job, and I wish you the best of luck. I hope you'll be able to find something equivalent or better soon. Good luck Brotha', Remember we're all in this together.
As the good paying blue collar jobs leave the country, so do the sales reps, suppliers, supplier reps, retailers, bankers, loan officers, and investment brokers.
I'm still amazed that the sub prime lending industry was "shocked" to find out that people with poor credit, aren't real reliable in paying their bills. Obviously, the loss of thousands of unskilled, high paying factory jobs didn't help this equation. But all this upheaval just proves the point, that once you stop paying the worker a decent wage... an astounding thing happens......They stop buying stuff. Wow what a concept... no extra money....no shopping. Amazing.
Those guys on Wall Street are geniuses.
In all sincerity... I wish the best to you and your family.
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My thoughts on a UAW VEBA.
I really have no faith in the ability of the UAW to manage such a huge liability/Fund. I think ahead... about 5 years and have terrible images in my head, of unqualified, middle school educated, UAW Reps being led out of the UAW international in handcuffs. This will be like giving out blank checks to crackheads. Unless this money is very closely watched and scrutinized, it will be skimmed, pilfered and "invested poorly". In 4 years, we'll all see a bulletin stating that " Due to the increasing high cost of health care, and underperfoming investments, the VEBA will have to be supplemented to the tune of $2000 per employee".
We've all seen the UAW membership dwindle to less than 40% of what it once was, and yet our beloved international has remained as bloated as it ever was. This really sounds like an efficient, well run organization. Definitely an organization that I'd like to infuse a Multi billion dollar investment in. The corruption, kickbacks, payoffs and favoritism that this massive amount of money will create are truly scary. If you guys think that all the shady shit that happens at a local level, amazingly stops as soon as the same individuals go "down town".....I've got a nice bridge to sell you in Brooklyn, N.Y. .
I also have serious questions about the, "what if" scenario of the enactment of a U.S. national health care system. I doubt this will ever happen, but if it does... what happens to this money? I highly doubt the UAW would refund the money to its members, or even increase the retirement benefits. This would be a pure windfall for the UAW. I foresee a MASSIVE expansion of International, doubling the size.....all in the name of "Increasing new membership campaigns" i.e.....an excuse to pay every brother, cousin, nephew, and friend $80,000 a year to do nothing.
As you can tell, I'm a very skeptical person. I absolutely believe in the fundamental beliefs of a union, without collective bargaining I don't think we'd have a middle class in the U.S. Unfortunately I think the modern UAW has become a nepotistic, self serving, uncompetitive joke. The UAW no longer serves its average member, it serves itself and the lazy P.O.S worker. Make sure you get the drunk, crackhead his job back, so you can saddle his hardworking coworkers with twice the work.
If you mess up once.... thats O.K., if you mess up again...well, this is your last chance.....the third time, you're GONE. Lets cut the fat, and prove that good, hardworking UAW members cannot be equaled in their work ethic, and efficiency. Lets remain competitive, and keep our good paying jobs here in the U.S. .
It'll be very hard to compete with $2 per hour Chinese workers, when we've got $30 an hour UAW workers stating......"that's not my job, all I can do is sit here and read my paper". IMO the modern UAW needs a serious protocol overhaul, and a massive leadership cleansing.
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the cops, teachers, nurses, and firemen are overpaid?
Yes. When compared to the actual physical "WORK' that an assembler performs every day.
Cops, teachers, nurses and fireman are all honorable professions, but these jobs don't compare physically do the average factory worker. Most police drive around all day, issuing speeding citations and "keeping everyone safe". Most Fireman get paid to do nothing other than be "ON Call" for an emergency. Yeah the Fireman wash the trucks, do training exercises, and make dinner... but the actual work they do in average 40 hour work week pales in comparison to an average factory worker. I'm not trying to discount the heroism of what they do, as I'd give anything to someone that saved one of my kids. But as far as pay for actual time worked, there is no comparison. I'd be wiling to bet that any Police officer or Fireman would probably quit a manufacturing job within the first week. The monotony and constant work would send them fleeing for the doors. There is no humiliation like being told when you can and can't go to the bathroom.
Nurses do have to perform some pretty nasty functions to warrant their pay, but most of their time is still spent in a chair updating charts, and making notes for the doctors.
Teachers are important, they guide, teach and inspire our offspring. Unfortunately according to International statistics, either U.S. teachers aren't doing a very good job or the U.S. just has Dumb kids.
So where does this argument go from here...? Yes police and Firemen are put in some very precarious situations, but it's probably less than 1% of the time. I think you'll find that nationally, industrial death and injury is at least on par if not worse than the injury and mortality rate of the "protection trades".
You don't have to be a genius to be a nurse, you just have to be able to read, write, take blood, insert catheters, empty bed pans, and take notes... "I know I'm oversimplifying the Job, but it's not rocket science".
And then we have Teachers. My mom is a High School English teacher and she goes over and beyond whats expected. She comes up with different curriculum's every year, she stays after school way longer than what is required. She makes herself available to any student at any hour of the day, and she deals with belligerent parents who can't understand why the kid that they never see or talk to is failing. But......She doesn't do any physical work, other than haul stacks of tests and books into the classroom. She also gets the summer months off, with pay. In all honesty, I wouldn't want to put up with the crap that she does for her salary...but it sure would be nice to have the whole summer off.
Just as a Sub note...... I'd like to add that when compared to your average landscape laborer, Manufacturing workers are way overpaid. When I drive through my neighborhood, I always see guys busting their asses for probably $10 an hour. I'm thankful for everyday that I don't have to subside doing that for a living.
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Just dealt with one too many idiots last night....besides, I can only afford the cheap dumps like Chix on Dix
Ah yes the venerable CHIX on DIX, a much better choice for the working man.
What a great name for a titty bar. The last time I drove down Dix it was like driving on the moon, I pray for my rims and tires every time I drive down that abortion of a road.
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Expand your horizons...knowledge is power, expand yours.
I'm a ford employee and will discuss whatever I like in this forum until the site says otherwise
YOWSER Derek! Evidently working in Dearborn has made you a little salty.
Maybe its got something to do with that "grass" growing on the roof. or the vines creeping up the side of the building.
I think maybe you need to go unwind at B.T.'s or Pantheon after work. Take a lap dance or two, relieve some tension if you know what I mean. Life is too short to worry about who's telling you to do what in some crap ass forum.
Life is great, with some hot ass in your face!
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Fantastic!!!
Unfortunately Jesus died later that day, after brushing his teeth with Chinese made Glycol laced toothpaste.
YOU BASTARDS!!! You KILLED Kenny.....er... I mean JESUS.
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WOW! this thread turned into a religious discussion.....SWEET! :happy feet: :happy feet:.
Count me in, as I'm a godless heathen.
All right who's going to be the first Religified(Sic) individual to SAVE me.
The first Saver, gets a set of Ginsu 3000 knives and a free potato slicer.... but wait.... if you act to save me now, I'm authorized by Chef Tony himself to also include an extra special BONUS prize........ a gold electroplated ROLLING RULER studded with 100's of carats of cubic zirconia. This is a deal you guys don't want to pass up....ACT NOW.....Supplies are limited.
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I still don't agree with the removal of the "school of free thought" portion on this forum, I don't think this move stopped any of the off topic discussion...... it just forced people to scatter their various posts in other non-applicable forums. Most other major online forums offer off topic discussions, and the omission of an Off Topic header really lends credence to the notion that this is a 3rd tier Forum. I'm a firm believer in the statement.... A place for everything, and everything in its place. The Blue oval forums apparently believes that everything is Black or White, so there is no need for a Grey area.
I understand this is a forum dedicated to FORD motor company, but there are plenty of off topic discussions that indirectly or directly affect Ford. I really think that an off topic header NEEDS to be reinstated.
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:slug: So sorry to hear about your mandatory 10 and 11 hour shifts :slap: . I think there are lot of people right now that used to work at Wixom Assembly that would love to be in your shoes.
Be happy that you're working, things could be a lot worse. I apologize in advance for being such a DICK, but its tough to hear people complaining about working overtime when so many guys down here in Michigan just wish they had a job.
In all sincerity, I do hope for all your sakes that they redesign the CV and Town Car soon. Otherwise you'll probably be in the same shoes as me in 2 years. Make the money while you can, and be grateful that you have a Job.
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I wonder if my new neighbors across the street will be foreclosed on? I mean after all, they spent over $400,000 for their unit and they have two brand new Fusions (one black, one silver) in the driveway. My guess is no.
Completely random side note -- they are Asian. I find it rare to see Asians driving American cars, especially Fords. Just an observation...nothing racist.
They must work for FORD. :shades:
I don't think I've ever seen someone of Asian descent drive a Domestic. Trying to not be racist here, Asians/ Japanese seem to be much more loyal to the Imports. You guys all know how shitty the cars that we build are.
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This posts reeks of mind altering substances :party:
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LETS HEAR FROM TRADESMEN ABOUT HOW THEY THINK THEIR FUTURE LOOKS, ABOUT THE FAILURE OF FLOWBACK, ABOUT THE GEN MISINFORMATION, ABOUT THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF TRADE JOB POSTINGS ( EXCEPT SPARKYS) LETS GET YOUR THOUGTHS IN WRITING TIME IS RUNNING OUT ONLY 6 WEEKS TILL CONTRACT LETS GET THE BALLS ON YOU ROLLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is only one certainty, it's going to be a rough ride for us in the Mechanical trades. We all saw how automation devastated production workers in the 80's and 90's, and now the mechanical trades are dealing with the same repercussions. Automation has been a boon to the "sparkys" but has really helped no one else.
If your not an Electrician...... get ready to hurry up and wait, the jobs will be few and far between.
Just my $.02
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From what has been happening, if you have a trade in Gen, anyone in that trade can bid on the opening. Your plant can only release the number of people to go that are in Gen, but it doesn't have to be the one in Gen that goes. The highest seniority person gets to go, of all plants that put in for it. So, there may not be anyone taken from a plant that has a Gen person, if seniority isn't high enough Company wide.
This is interesting. Because this isn't how it worked at Wixom a couple months back. But hey, if this is the right way I'm fine with it.
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Relax Big fellow:
Read your national contract vol 1 Appendix m section K. also section c ,2 and this should answer all your questions you may not like them but you will be informed!!!!!!
Thanks Raw I'll look into that.
As far as not liking what I read, believe me I'll be happy with any definitive answer.
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If there are openings, GEN gets a shot b-4 any flowbacks irregardless of seniority.
This should be true, but in the case of Utica Millwrights getting the R&E jobs..... it appears their H.R. department let every millwright at the plant (working or in GEN) bid on these positions. From what we've been told at Wixom and from past practice, this is contractually wrong. For plants that have a Gen bank and are still running, GEN bankers are supposed to be the only ones able to bid on said openings.... At least this is what we've been told.
At this point, the Union and Company HAVE to come up with a definitive protocol regarding this situation. There can be no ....we'll do it this way and then next time we'll do it that way. It's either BLACK or WHITE, RIGHT or WRONG. Either everyone can bid on the openings or only GEN bankers can bid. I just want a definitive answer from someone.
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I hate to take this very entertaining discussion away from all the skank, Ho, loser talk....... But I'm going to.
From the pictures I've seen of the FLEX, I think it sucks. To me it looks like Ford gave a clean sheet design assignment to the second grade class at a local elementary school. The pictures I've seen have reminded me of a very disproportionate, stretched copy of the original Scion Xb. Now granted I've never been a fan of the Scion box, but to my eye the scion at least looks somewhat cohesive. I obviously will reserve final judgment until I physically see one, but just from the pictures..... I think it's a stylistic DUD.
I really hope I'm DEAD wrong in my initial opinions of the FLEX, I hope they won't be able to make enough of them. But I just have a bad feeling about this one.
On a more positive note, I love the concept Pics of the new Lincoln MKS and Jag XF (who knows if Jag will still be under the Ford Umbrella by then, but its a huge improvement over the s type). And I especially love the talk of a twin turbo 3.5 being available in the new Lincoln. Ford hasn't rolled over and diedjust yet, the Lincoln MKS and Jag XF are proof of that. We still have some good designers and concepts.
Lucky for all us, the Flex will not make or break FoMoCo like a botched F150 redesign would. If the Flex is successful, thats great but if it's not we'll live to fight another day.
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Talked to our low Gen MW Friday afternoon. He said he was told to keep reporting to SRP GEN until he hears otherwise about the move to R & E. Unless they call him on the weekend , he'll be still in SRP GEN monday. Maybe this internet thing can be a good thing, even with all the BS that flows here. Maybe the sharing of info can sometimes put a wrench into some of these shady deals that used to go on w/o anyone having a clue. So good or bad, keep the info flowing.
Agree 100%....... keep The INFO flowing everybody.
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Then it would appear that the trades still working in the plant were allowed to sign up for the posting. Not long ago we had a GEN welder go there and the welders still working were told they weren't eligible.... did the rules change again???.
AND THE PLOT THICKENS.........
The last thing I remember hearing was that people working weren't eligible to sign up for job postings at other plants. Now If Utica is in GEN protected status, then I could see it happening...... But if they're not then Why the hell were they eligible for these Jobs.
As Mulewright stated above....Just 2-3 months ago, before Wixom was in GEN protected status; A welder bid for R&E was posted and filled by the top seniority welder in our GEN bank. The Welders that where working the floor at the time went nuts, they all knew that Wixom was due to shut in a couple of weeks and that this individual with less seniority than them was going to have a Job and they weren't. BUT THIS IS THE WAY THE BID HIERARCHY WORKS> GEN workers take bid preference over those that are working. At least this is how it worked 2 months ago, so unless the Union and Company have made some changes recently, I don't see how UTICA guys that were working... were even able to sign up for those R&E jobs.
This individual policing is ridiculous. It's terrible that we have to take it upon ourselves to communicate with fellow workers from other plants, in order to find out about all these contractual miss steps.
Why is it that we have high ranking Union officials and well payed Labor relations representatives that for some reason can't follow a fairly simple Bid process that they co-opted? It's very frustrating to say the least, especially when peoples livelihoods are at stake.
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And i sent you a message fyi........
Thanks Waldo, I just got it.
My thoughts on a UAW VEBA.
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Well said Imawhosure.
I also think that the UAWs best shot at organizing Toyota, will be after the upcoming BIG3 contract concessions. If Toyota thinks that the Big3 have closed the wage gap too much, then you can bet your ass that they'll be turning the screws on their own workers as well. Toyota is an ultra competitive company, and soon the U.S. Toyota workers will start to realize that without being organized....Toyota will have no problem joining the Big3, in the great wage race to the bottom.