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If it makes you feel better it's probably just incompetence as opposed to intentional deceit.

Focus ST has the 2.0L EB with a stick.

Yeah - they're just sitting around on their ass not doing anything at all while they lose thousands of dollars every hour. Geez.

This confusion surfaces every once in awhile because the rebates say "take retail delivery from dealer stock". In the past this meant that you got the incentives that were in effect at the time the vehicle was delivered and not the incentives that were in effect at the time you placed the order. All vehicles are "delivered from dealer stock" - eventually. With Ford allowing rebates to be locked in at either the time of ordering or delivery it's now a moot point. The only thing you can't do is take part of the incentives at order time and part at delivery. It's one or the other.

Probably the same rebate. It goes into the computer before you actually receive the brochure. The dealer can put in your information and see what rebates are available to confirm.

Lazy reporting. Probably came out on a newswire and they either didn't remember or didn't bother to check to see if it had already been reported.

If car reviews translated to sales the Camry would be dead last.

If you think this vehicle will sell better than the G8 just because it has a bowtie on it you're even more delusional than I thought you were.

Hit Like if you read this and immediately got a mental picture of an engineer hugging an engine and transmission.

And does anyone believe that a 5-series is better than the MKZ in these categories: second row comfort, trunk size, ergonomic gripes and fuel economy?

It was a recall before. This is not new.

Does CRs test take into account the ethanol level of the fuel, ambient temperatures and tire choice? Of course not and those things will affect mileage.

Don't you get it? Any time a person with a gun shoots another person without a gun it's their fault. Especially if the victim is a minority. It doesn't matter who did what or who attacked who. It doesn't matter that the victim was trying to kill or maim the shooter by banging their head into the asphalt/concrete. You can look at any shooting and say that if one party had walked away the shooting would not have happened.

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As a stand alone vehicle it's not bad. The problem is when you compare it to all the other mid sized sedans it comes up short in almost every category.

Software controls the cooling fan and several other engine parameters that could lead to overheating which is the root cause of the fluid leak.

I think that's a big contributor here along with cold weather/winter blend fuel.

Show me where the Fusion ranks compared to the Accord and Camry. I was specifically talking about the Fusion, not Ford in general.

Yes, it's the same one. The bumper has to come off and it takes 1.1 hours to perform it.

African or European?

I'm pretty sure they said the exact same thing about the G8. Now explain why this will be more successful than the G8.

If the new Malibu is so good then why are they rushing a MCE in just 18 months? Even GM admits they missed the mark. I expect the same with the new pickups and SUVs. They're still at least 2 years behind the competition and doing nothing to catch up much mess leapfrog.

To be fair, that's not really how it works. The EPA sets the procedure but the automakers do the bulk of the testing themselves with EPA just doing audits. The EPA only actually tests 10% to 15% of the vehicles. But Ford has been doing this a long time and they know the EPA test probably better than the EPA and they know the penalties (both internally and externally) if they're caught fudging.

This is one of the biggest myths out there. Anything you can think of to help the car on the EPA test will also help it in normal everyday driving. In Hyundai's case they were using the wrong test procedure, not changing the vehicle. Hybrids will get worse fuel economy in the winter due to winter blend fuel, ethanol and running the heater. If you have optional tires that could also lower your mpg.

The biggest issue I see for Ford is that they allow optional wheels and tires that are almost guaranteed to lower fuel economy compared to the standard LRR tires but there is no mention of that anywhere. So even if everything is above board a buyer may be giving themselves a 2-4 mpg penalty by choosing an appearance package without any knowledge that they're hurting their fuel mileage. I realize this is just a side effect of how the EPA tests are performed and reported, but I think Ford owes the customer some type of warning that their fuel mileage could be affected. Throw in ethanol fuel (the EPA does not use E-10) plus other winter blends and running the heater in winter and it's easy to see how a hybrid mpg could drop drastically in a real world test compared to the EPA tests. Had the Fusion hybrid debuted in the summer time without optional wheels I think this would have been a different story. And if the EPA retests and there is a problem then I'll be the first to admonish Ford. But I'm not there yet.