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CLT…. You’re observing a continous decontent program on Escape and other Ford products. Like you, I want to look at the 2025 Escspe order book as a potential replacement for my wife’s 2020 Escape Platnium AWD 2.0! I am finding it difficult to get what I want on a 2024 model. seats have been downgraded across the board. The best sound system is packaged with things I don’t want! For sure I don’t need auto park I have on the 2020 that I and my wife never use. The 2020 has been one of the best vehicles we ever had so I have decided to Waite and be patient! The only other vehicle that was this good, was 2000 Seville STS with the Northstar V8. Unfortunately, that vehicle should of been rear wheel drive! If I were you, just Waite and see if Ford does the right thing by giving their customer more choices to order the Escape they want for 2025.

I have a 2020 Escape with 47,000 miles. It has been a very good vehicle with excellent fuel economy, comfort and dependability. Recently, the driver side window when being closed, goes to the top and comes back down on its own! Very annoying because I must manually bring window up to about 97% closed, stop it from closing/ opening on its own, then do the last 3% manually again. Is this a switch problem or a motor problem??? Any ideas, thank you edselford

Interesting discussion on Chinese Taurus made from our old Fusion. I too loved the 1.6 ecoboost in my wife’s old Escape. Switch a roo from 1.5 I4 ecoboost to 1.5 I3 ecoboost helped fuel economy but increased NVH in Escape a couple of years ago. 2.0 ecoboost is perfect in Escape but probably more than needed. Each time we downsize, lower CO2 results! I just wonder, when people get tired of SUV’s will they want cars again??? Remember the minivan craze that fizzled after ten years! Could go for a new hybrid sedan off of the Explorer chassis? edselford

Now that the 2025 Explorer is available, it might be the time to think of the 2027 version and suggest a few things to make the vehicle better. Driving a 2011, a 2021 and a 2023 has given me a good appreciation for all the decisions and compromises that the Ford people make in designing a popular SUV. The items below are my thoughts on how Ford could make the 2027 model better. 1. Continue to improve the 2.3 l ecoboost In terms of NVH and power say 350 hp. 2. Offer second row bench seats in any Combination. 3. Redesign the hybrid to include an eCVT transmission with either the 2.0 or the 2.3 ecoboost engines 4. Improve seat materials on ST line and Base Platnium models or offer a leather Option for ST line. 5. Offer the better radio/speakers option on The Active model. 6. Make gas tank slightly larger. 7. For the new Timberline version, offer a two Speed low range transfer case option. I keep asking myself is should all 2027 Explorers be hybrids as base???? edselford

Obviously, swinging Brampton plant to build next generation of EV chargers is a bad idea! New styling makes vehicles look 50 years old. What was needed was a Charger hybrid and maybe a Chrysler 300 hybrid but not the parallel hybrid system on the Ram pickup! Is Stalantus loosing its way being managed by the French? edselford

You are thinking! Maybe a Atkinson cycle I6 that is turbocharged and is a hybrid would be the way to go? Make up the power loss with the turbo but utilize the hybrid for unloaded accelerations? edselford

All future vehicle platforms need to be able to have both hybrid and EV versions without reinventing the wheel each time! edselford

Oakville should be retooled to produce a ford version of the 2024 Lincoln Nautilus hybrid. There is a good market for a modern three row Edge, smaller than the Explorer. Only offer it as a hybrid AWD. This will keep customers in fords until the revised Explorer hybrid is ready. Nautalus already built in China on a modified Edge platform. hybrids maintain freedom of movement without restrictions! edselford

Very good discussion on ten speed automatics! Could this group of experts ever see a hybrid eVCT transmission in F150/250350? That is a rear wheel drive transmission with a single planetary, starter/generator and a large traction motor on the rear output shaft. Fords current F250 hybrid solution is very costly design. I am just wondering??? edselford usually, more speeds usually means more ratio spread which helps fuel economy!

So we lost the Limited and the Sport Package on the XLT, and the off road version is missing in action for the start of this minor 2025 revision! New people, new ideas I guess. I was hoping for the new 2.3 with dual fuel system and the smaller bore with a longer stroke but that did not happen either. I had to turn in a 2021 Explorer XLT last December and ended up leasing an existing 2023 Explorer ST-Line . The ST-Line is a significant improvement over the 2021 XLT. Looks like the engineers revised the 2.3 calibration and the ten speed automatic calibration to a point that I have no reason to complain about shift quality or NVH! It would of been nice to have the steering column with upshift/downshift buttons but that was eliminated in my 2023 with the tow package! The 2025 forced you into 21” wheels if you also want bench seats in the second row. That is not a good idea! Edselford

It’s an interesting question being asked by the OEM’s right now. Electric are easier to build but weigh allot more than IC engined vehicles. most people don’t have the luxury of having an EV vehicle and an IC vehicle for long/vacation trips. can you just jump in your EV and take an impromptu trip to Atlanta??? I don’t think so. I would venture a guess that if we knew the total CO2 equation for IC versus EV ,complete life cycle, I just wonder why we are trying to take the trip??? Maybe, hydrogen, ammonia hydrogen or something to combust without the carbonC, it might be smart to Waite until these new technogies can reduce CO2 without putting up with long charge times. Also federal tax credits for a period of time, covers up the real cost of the EV technology! If I were Ford, GM and Stalantus, I would delay the switchover to EV because people are not ready for them Keep the Edge, the Chrysler300 and others . Don’t bet the farm on EV’s edselford

Anyone have latest information on the 2025 Explorer?? I heard that 2024 is a complete carryover except for elimination of the hybrid and may only be a two month production run??? I have to turn in my 2021 Explorer lease next week and would prefer ordering a 2025 not a carryover 2024, if 2025 production starts early next year! Thank You in advance for your help edselford

Very interesting topic. Thank all for the background information. I should of clarified my prior post and said that ATX means front wheel drive automatic transaxle! Note, it looks like the 2024 model year Traverse and Arcadia and the 2025 Enclave will be utilizing an 8 speed ATX not the current 9 speed. I assume GM will follow Ford by taking some parts out of the 9 to get to the new 8 speed ATX! I also wonder if ford turned the 10R80 into a 9R80 if the new 2025 Explorer ST would be any quicker ?? edselford

Don’t over react to the elimination of the 3.3 hybrid Explorer. Like the delay of the 2024 Model Year launch, to 2025 MY, many thing are being revised. If you think about it, a 3.3 V6 Atkinson cycle, turbo hybrid may be one route to gain needed fuel economy. This would make sense if Ford Finds a way to make the Cyclone engines 3.3/3.5 V6’s a “hot” V design, to reduce turbo costs, (two to just one turbo) I am not convinced a 2.3 hybrid could be refined enough for the next Explorer given my experience with my leased 2021MY XLT! edselford

Maybe Ford is responding to the new Chevy Traverse coming out in The spring 2024? The current base 2.3 liter with 300 hp and 310 lbs ft torque would not be competitive! Also, Traverse looks like new good looking SUV and the revised Explorer probably did not go far enough in the mid cycle redesign, on the outside! The Explorer product manager must be pulling out some hair right now. If the new Explorer doesn’t include the “New” 2.3 utilizing 102 mm stroke and a refined transmission/engine calibration, the new vehicle would not be worth taking the trip! Ie delay the launch and get it right the first time out of the box! edselford