twintornados

The rank and file turned down the "final" offer. It's not extortion. Negotiators reach agreements all the time, does not mean the rank and file must accept it. Here in NY - a recent meditated offer was presented to NYS correction officers, it too was voted down but here in NY, public employees are forbidden to strike due to the Taylor law which outlines fines if they do attempt to strike. So in the case of the correction officers, now they go back to the mediator and tell him, "Our members said no" and now they need to sweeten the offer. The only sad part of the correction officer story is of over 18,000 members, only 4500 voted.

Well, to be fair...I said "Most compelling" and not "just plain coo-coo" but that was a fun thread.

People that can buy a BMW, MB or Audi have much more "disposable" income to throw around and buy unique vehicles like a Tesla....does not make it a luxury vehicle. Teslas ARE nice, but lets face it. Even Elon fancies himself more of a "Henry Ford" type exec than a "Henry Leland", in his work to bring electric cars to the masses.

I went from a Lincoln Corsair to a Ford Bronco (because I wanted one)...does that make my Bronco Black Diamond a luxury vehicle?

Just because it costs more than an Acura, Infiniti or Lincoln does not make it a luxury vehicle.

As a member of a union negotiation committee AND one that is preparing to go to the table soon, there are certain metrics that need to be met first prior to presenting an offer to the membership. With that said, our team has studied our employers ability to pay factor and what comparable unions also got in their negotiations and settlements. When all that is done, once a contract offer is presented, as a member of said negotiations committee, I am duty bound to present the offer in a positive manner (some would say "selling it") and if I did not and instead told my members that it sucked, I would be charged with bargaining in bad faith. Here is the rub where I am from, while the contract is expired, we are open for a challenge to union representation - but even that is not all that it is cracked up to be since all negotiations comes to a grinding halt while said challenge is settled.

It may be priced at a premium, but it is not considered a "luxury" vehicle.

Amazing that this thread is still going strong over 10 years on!! Thank you @Joe771476 for starting one of the most compelling threads on BON

I think I broke the Bing AI....I asked it to create a 2024 Ford Pinto wagon....I have gotten this for the past 5 minutes.

And that is the biggest fallacy of being a member of a union - people mistakenly think you cannot get fired if you are in a union shop. That is incorrect. All it means is that when an employee faces a termination level event, the employer must follow the termination procedures laid out in the CBA that they agreed to with the union.

At one time, that was a significant thing to have to do...nowadays, it is meaningless due to the clowns on both sides of the isle looking for their sound bite instead of actually doing something meaningful.

Market forces will dictate the success of the EV market.

Go to the dealer?

Got nothing to lose...try this. It is my 'go to" just before a transmission fluid drain/flush

I hear an ice cream truck rolling by on the video...now I want a Good Humor bar....lol

If they bring a PHEV Bronco to market, I am getting one. Period.

Shhhhh, don't say DCT here.

I am certainly not setting the investor world on fire with my investments - I own Ford stock as I believe in the company and the values they espouse and have been a die hard Ford fan for decades. I will keep my day job as a department of corrections lieutenant and remain a proud union member and elected representative for my peer lieutenants.

Keep fawning over the CEO's...they love it https://nypost.com/2023/08/18/we-stuffed-carlos-ghosn-into-3-ft-box-to-escape-japan-he-owes-us-1m/

I am an investor

I hope a PHEV 2.3L Ranger portends to a PHEV 2.3L Bronco

GM CEO Mary Barra received a 34% raise...

You have it backwards...you agreed with me

I think I said that...?

That's not how it works friend. The rank and file, by giving authorization via a strike vote are entrusting that the negotiation teams are acting in their best interest....you may not agree, but that is what it is.