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Sure it would. Ford found enough reasons to develop all new 2.0 and 2.3 motors. The improvements in the new engine architecture could make for better V-6 motors. Ford may not move its V-6s to the new architecture but I can see cost savings in having a common V-6 design rather than the 2 different V-6 families currently. Interesting that Ford has said nothing about the new 2.0.

Here is an except from the press release. It definitely states 2026 for the EV van followed by CE1 in 2027. DEARBORN, Mich., Aug. 21, 2024 – Ford Motor Company is taking additional actions to deliver a profitable, capital-efficient and growing electric vehicle business and add even more propulsion choices for customers that generate lower CO2 emissions. The plan includes adjusting the company’s North America vehicle roadmap to offer a range of electrification options designed to speed customer adoption – including lower prices and longer ranges. In its fully electric portfolio, Ford will prioritize the introduction of a new digitally advanced commercial van in 2026, followed by two new advanced pickup trucks in 2027 and other future affordable vehicles. Ford also realigned its U.S. battery sourcing plan to reduce costs, maximize capacity utilization, and support current and future electric vehicle production.

Ford put out a press release last August that stated the medium sized EV pickup wouldn’t be released until 2027.

Maybe…… do you have data to back this up? I believe Ford still sells Escapes to rental companies and there are lots of base models at dealerships. If I remember correctly, Escape sales fell sharply when the current generation was introduced. For whatever reason(s), buyers don’t like the current model nearly as much as the previous.

BlueCruise on a Mustang makes no sense.

Plus the fact that Mach E is getting long in the tooth and Ford has made only minor changes since its introduction. Apparently the plan is to let it soldier on as is until it is discontinued in a few more model years.

You don’t think Toyota or Honda has any loyalty for their small cars/crossovers? And the CE1 vehicles will supposedly be priced similarly to the Escape that is being replaced which Ford says has little profit. I hope the CE1 vehicles will be compelling- the problem is most buyers don’t want an electric vehicle. Ford needs to make the effort it is supposedly making on CE1 on new Escape and Edge models. That’s where the demand is.

So you don’t think losing millions of manufacturing jobs to other countries the past 40 years hasn’t hurt the poor and middle class?

Unfortunately, that’s what they are doing. The plant will be capable of building 300,000 units annually but will only produce 100,000. That’s probably overly optimistic given that Ford expects the truck to “command a premium price”. Ford will be way overextended capacity wise with its EV plants when they finish construction. I don’t see them making a profit on their EV business this decade.

My 2015 Edge with the 2.0 has 208,000 trouble free miles. Regular oil changes and a coolant flush are all I’ve done to it. Absolutely no problems at all with the vehicle. Still running the original plugs hoses and belt and alternator and starter. I’d take the 2.0 over the 3.5 all day 7 days a week.

I think the “big shots” have come to understand that they committed billions of dollars too much to the model e division which probably keeps the division operating in the red the rest of this decade.

Borg has mentioned it over on GM Inside news. It seems more and more apparent that an ICE Escape will need to be maintained given the lack of demand for EV’s.

No argument that it is a great engine. But I believe it’s better suited for car applications. The 5.0 is a large engine. Even though the 6.2 GM V8 has 20% more displacement, it is significantly smaller dimensionally and undoubtedly less costly to build.

Thanks for the info, jpd. GM is keeping the pressure on - I’ve read that it will introduce next generation V-8 engines in the not too distant future. I wonder if it’s time Ford replaced the 5.0 in the 150 with the OHV 6.8. The 5.0 is a good engine but pick-up buyers seem to like the torque an OHV engine provides at low rpm. The 6.8 would also be significantly cheaper to build and might be a bit lighter than the 5.0.

Nothing new, Warranty expense and huge losses from the model e division have been big drags on income quarter after quarter and will continue for a bunch more. Hopefully the cost cutting isn’t at the expense of quality.

I really like mine also. 2022 XLT all wheel drive with 67,000 trouble free miles. Only real gripe I have is the infotainment setup which is subpar. Radio periodically freezes up and lots of issues using the phone through the system. My 2011 Fusion’s Synch system was far superior.

Maverick is C2. If there is another MachE, it will be on a different platform. (Same as small EV truck Ford has planned for 2027 or so).

I think you’re right to a degree but I don’t think the pool of buyers is very large. The problem will likely be the range and charging issues as Ford has hinted that the batteries will be small.

There isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell that Ford can build a lower cost EV than the Escape and make a higher margin. Farley has already stated that Ford’s lowest cost EV will start at $30k and you can bet there won’t be many available at that price. As long as comparable ICE vehicles are available buyers will avoid small EV SUVs in droves.

Have you noticed that the Escape has outsold the B Sport by 12,000 units this year?

You’re correct. Got the Porsche models mixed up.

I don’t think a 4 door Mustang , if it is produced, will be a modern Thunderbird - it will be a much more hard core sports car something more along the lines of a Porsche Cayenne although more affordable.

I don’t get the hate for Borg on this site. He may be wrong at times, but he was correct about Oakville and his recent statement that Ford has cancelled the 3 row EV is apparently also correct. I welcome rumors about possible new products even if they may not be 100% correct. Look at the huge losses Fords EV division is posting. Those are going to continue for years. Ford has to out earn its stupidity for going too hard to fast on EVs with big ICE profits. The competition isn’t resting. Fords ICE vehicles will need substantial upgrades during the next 10 years to keep pace, including , in my opinion, a C2 Edge.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/24/ford-motor-f-earnings-q2-2024.html

But why so long? Remember how quickly Ford retooled for the all new aluminum F150.