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Wow! $150 for a fill up and 20MPG in ideal driving....I certainly don't miss the days of gas. I took a screenshot of my longest charging session so far with the Lightning to charge it up from from 27% to 100%. The charging station delivered 98.77kwh of electricity to the truck and contrary to the $14.82 calculated by the Chargepoint app (which doesn't apply the TOU rates) the actual cost to me would be $8.10 because I charged it overnight and the TOU off peak rate for in Ontario is $0.082/kWh. Even in worst case scenario if I charged it during the highest daytime peak rate at $0.17/kWh it would have cost $16.79.

Couldn't agree more it is definitely a beast, whether towing or not! And even though the Lightning may lose half its range when towing, this is no different than my experience with my 2020 Aviator GT which also loses a substantial amount of its gas range while towing (I never actually calculated how much, but I would say 40-50% would be close). I've talked to many people that tow trailers with ICE vehicles and when I mention the Lightning and towing somehow a comment always comes up that it will never be practical for towing because it loses too much range, and my rebuttal is always the same: does your ICE truck get better mileage while towing? Of course not! The only advantage ICE has for now is the speed/convenience of refueling quickly especially if you are traveling a long distance, but as EV charging infrastructure and battery technology improves that will become less of an issue. Tom Moloughney from State of Charge and Inside EV's did a great interview with Darren Palmer at Ford (linked below) fast forward to about the 11 minute mark for the discussion about towing.

Well I finally had my first towing experience with the F-150 Lightning this weekend. I pulled my boat out of the water and then hauled if from my cottage up on Georgian Bay down to Toronto which is a one way trip of about 136km and pretty much 90% highway driving. I tried my best to document the experience and all the starting/ending variables and took some photos which are shared below. I charged the truck up the night before I left to 100% SOC and got a range estimate of 408km in the morning which I'm guessing was quite low because I'd been doing mainly highway driving the day before and it got quite cold at night to about 8C. After hooking up the trailer I was prompted to enter all the trailer details into the touchscreen, which I did, and are listed below: Length: About 25ft (from tongue to tip of outboard motor) Width: 102" Weight: 3500lbs (3,494lbs is the combined boat & trailer weight according to Tracker specs) Once I entered the trailer details a prompt came up on the gauge screen and it immediately cut the range down to 249km. A few minutes after departing another random message popped up saying it revised the range due to the external temperature and the range strangely increased to 255km. For the entire trip I had the climate control turned off to conserve battery power and just used the heated seat and steering wheel to stay comfortable. I tried my best to keep a constant speed of 110km/h although I did exceed that several times to pass a few cars and big rigs on the highway. When I got to my destination the final SOC was 42% and the range remaining was 102km. I then disconnected the trailer and it revised the range up to 156km. See photo below of the trip stats from the energy consumption screen showing the average energy consumption was 1.8km/kwh. (my usual energy consumption averages between 3.2-4.5km/kwh) The same trip (without towing the boat) would normally consume about 30% of the battery so with towing the energy consumption was about 58% so it is effectively double. Overall the driving experience while towing was phenomenal, the truck has no issues pulling the trailer at all or getting up to highway speed. If you didn't actually look at your mirror and see a trailer behind you, you would likely forget you are towing anything. I had it in Tow/Haul mode the whole way and my only complaint was that the regen braking seemed quite low in this mode compared to Sport mode (which I normally drive in) and that has very strong regen braking. I really wish Ford would give an option to independently adjust the regen braking settings regardless of what drive mode you're in. It is definitely a great truck for towing, as long as you don't have to go a particularly long distance otherwise you will be stopping to charge often, which for some I imagine would be a major obstacle.

Yes I do the same thing here in Toronto. We've had TOU electricity pricing for many years and it is great for EV charging at night because the rates are almost half from 7pm to 7am from the daytime peak rate. To charge up one of our Mach-Es from 30% - 90% SOC overnight costs like $4.80 whereas if I charge it up at work during the day at the peak rate the same charging session would cost about $8.50. The key to tackling the rise in the number of EVs in the future being connected to the grid is load management. You don't need to plug in and start charging your EV the minute you get home from work at 5:30pm when there is peak demand on the grid from A/C usage and cooking. Most EVs and/or EVSEs (charging stations) have software built in that schedule and defer charging times to off peak hours overnight which will both cost less to the consumer (if they have TOU utility pricing) and shift demand on the grid to off peak hours when there is more capacity is available. Will there be a need for upgrades to utility infrastructure in the future, absolutely, but it is certainly not solely attributable to the increasing number of EVs on the road now and coming in the future.

As a new proud owner of a new F-150 lightning, I was playing around with the Pro Power On Board this afternoon and just for fun decided to try charging two other EV's using the 240V outlet in the bed with an L14-30 adapter and the Ford mobile charger. It worked absolutely perfectly, I had my 2020 Aviator charging first and it went right up to its max charge rate of 16A within seconds and I let that run for 15 minutes and it didn't even drop the SOC on the Lighting it stayed at 62% in that time. Then I plugged in the 2022 Mach-E and that took about a minute to ramp up to the 30A max that the Lightning could provide and then held it there at max output. I left the Mach-E plugged in to the Lightning for 30 minutes and in that time the SOC on the Lightning dropped 2% from 62% to 60% and the SOC on the Mach-E went up from 39% to 43%. So for anyone in California that needs to charge their EVs and can't plug them into the grid during the Flex Alert period, as a last resort, they can find someone with an F-150 Lighting that has a relatively full battery and is willing to share some juice. I can confirm it works! Jim Farley did say at the press launch event for the Lightning that you can use it to charge other EVs, especially Teslas......

Well I think the F-150 Lightning makes a nice addition to our electric fleet. (see below) Just charged it up from 45% to 90% and it only cost about $5.05 worth of electricity, I don't even want to fathom what half a tank of gas would have cost to fill up a regular gas F-150....

Thanks rperez817! I couldn't agree more, Ford really has a winner on their hands here with the F-150 Lightning. It's too bad they are facing supply chain constraints and can't secure enough battery cells; if only they could scale up production fast enough to meet the incredible demand. My company works with a lot tradespeople and contractors and I've already shown the Lightning to two electricians and a plumber and they were all just drooling over all the features like the frunk and all the pro-power outlets. One of the electricians said he bought a Tesla Model X for his wife last year and was thinking of ordering a Cybertruck for himself but now changed his mind and is putting in a reservation for the F-150 tomorrow.

I have to update my previous post of current/past Ford vehicles to reflect recent new acquisitions to our company fleet, especially the new F-150 Lightning which just landed yesterday. Current owned/leased vehicles in bold. Also sharing a couple photos of the current Ford fleet below. 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning 2022 Ford Mustang Mach-E Premium (Dark Matter Grey) 2022 Ford Mustang Mach-E Premium (Shadow Black) 2020 Lincoln Aviator Grand Touring 2019 Ford Fusion Energi PHEV 2019 Lincoln Nautilus Reserve 2018 Ford Edge Titanium 2018 Ford Escape Titanium 2018 Ford Escape Titanium 2017 Lincoln MKX Reserve 2016 Lincoln MKX Reserve 2016 Ford Edge Titanium 2015 Lincoln MKZ Reserve 2014 Ford Fusion Titanium 2013 Ford Fusion Titanium 2013 Lincoln MKX Reserve 2013 Lincoln MKX Limited 2013 Lincoln MKX 2011 Lincoln MKX 2011 Lincoln MKX

It is so true! I was completely shocked and unprepared for how fast the F150 is! We also purchased two 2022 Mach-E's for our company fleet recently and I would have to say that the F-150 Lightning is faster than the Mach-E (at least perceptibly) right off the line. I took it on a brief test drive last night on the highway and I the massive torque launches you back in your seat and it got up to like 135km so fast it was scary because I was not expecting that from a 6000lb truck. Also the ride quality is astounding, I've ridden in other F-150's before and the Lightning blows them away! It's like driving a cloud. I swear the ride in the Lightning could seriously give my 2020 Aviator GT (which has air suspension) a run for its money.

The wait is finally over! 16 months after putting in a reservation our F-150 Lightning Lariat arrived at the dealer last week and I took delivery of it this morning. I haven't had much time to drive it around yet and test everything out but all I can say so far is that it's an awesome truck! Stay tuned for more updates. I'll post some photos below. I was initially hesitant about ordering the iced blue silver paint sight unseen but it is definitely growing on me...

I had a similar situation happen 10 years ago with a factory order of a 2011 Lincoln MKX that was missing the ambient lighting on the passenger side footwell but the rest of the vehicle had ambient lighting in the footwells, cupholders, door handles, etc. What was interesting is that we ordered two identically optioned 2011 MKX's, just with different exterior colors (one Black and one Blue). The vehicles arrived at the dealer a few weeks apart; the black one was fine and had ambient lighting everywhere on the vehicle it was supposed to but the blue one was missing the ambient lighting on the passenger footwell. We took the blue MKX back to the dealer after noticing the missing ambient light and they reported it to Ford Canada as a misbuild. The dealer's Ford rep initially told the dealer service manager it was not a misbuild and said there isn't supposed to be ambient lighting in the footwells at all. The service manager then had to explain to the Ford rep that made no sense because why would the vehicle have ambient lights on the driver side and rear seat footwells but not the passenger side. Also we ordered two MKX vehicles and the other one did have ambient lighting everywhere including the passenger footwell. The service manager even took photos of both our MKX's to show the difference that one had the ambient light on the passenger side and one didn't to prove to Ford it was a misbuild. Apparently Ford still wouldn't sign off on fixing the problem and finally had to send someone from Oakville Assembly plant to the dealership to inspect the vehicle. After the guy from Oakville saw it in person and compared it to other MKX's the dealer had on the lot and showroom (which did have ambient lights on the passenger side) they confirmed it was a misbuild and that yes it should have the ambient light on the passenger footwell. I found out from the service manager after it got fixed that it was definitely a factory assembly error because they inspected the part# on the original trim piece under the glove box that was missing the ambient light and it was a part# for a Ford Edge (which doesn't have ambient lights) instead of the MKX which does.

I can't even hear the alert noise on my Aviator from inside unless I have a window open. Although it is a very well insulated cabin and I believe even the side windows are laminated for sound so that probably makes it harder to hear it also. The must have made it louder on the Corsair if you can hear it inside.

Bear in mind that the official rated EV range and the projected range on your screen is always an estimate and will vary wildly depending on your driving conditions, outside temperature, use of climate control, etc. My Aviator GT has an official rated EV range of 34km (21miles). I normally average about 35-40km on a full charge with normal city driving; but I've stretched that to as high as 67km in ideal conditions and driving on hilly roads where you can get lots of regen braking. But in the winter when it is cold and you are using cabin heat the range will drop significantly to about 20-22km from both the temperature extreme which affects the battery and even worse if you're heating the cabin electrically. Curious to see how you make out with the Corsair GT, please update your experience after you've driven it for a while.

That is hilarious! My company just recently leased two 2021 Toyota RAV4 Primes (PHEV) back in February and I could not agree more! The "pedestrian alert" EV noise when you put it in reverse is awful and ridiculously loud. I don't know what engineer at Toyota came up with their stupid EV noise but it could definitely be improved and lower the volume as well. There is no way to disable it and I've can't seem to find a fuse for it to pull out either. Thankfully the EV noise on my 2020 Aviator GT is much more subtle and soothing. How is it on your new Corsair GT? I would think they probably used the same speaker and sound as the Aviator.

I have 2020 Aviator GT, have had it for about 18 months now and love it. I've written posts in other Aviator forums about charging and the most important thing I would point out to you is that no matter what method you use to charge your Aviator (either the Lincoln OEM charge cord or dedicated charging station) be aware that the vehicle itself has a small 3.7KW on board charging module (which is the part that actually charges the high voltage battery) and no matter what you plug it into it is not capable of charging any higher/faster than 3.7KW (about 16A at 240V (Level 2)) and takes about 3.5 hours to charge fully. I put a charging station in my garage at home and I have one outside my office at work as well. My top recommendation would be the JuiceBox Pro 40: https://evcharging.enelx.com/store/residential/juicebox-40 The best thing about the JuiceBox chargers is they have built in wifi and a companion app which is amazing, it gives you so much information and stats about your charging, voltage, amperage, electricity usage, graphs, etc. They just revamped the JuiceBox with a new design earlier this year that is much better than the old one and they also redesigned the charging cord to be much lighter and more flexible as on the old model the cord was heavy and could get very stiff especially in the cold. My second recommendation would be the ChargePoint Home Flex https://www.chargepoint.com/drivers/home/ I have a Chargepoint unit at work and I would have to say that the charger itself is slightly better than the JuiceBox in terms of design, aesthetics and function but I find the JuiceBox app a bit easier to use than the Chargepoint. Another benefit of the Chargepoint is that it's capable of higher charging current of up to approx. 52A if it is properly hardwired to a 70A breaker. That wouldn't be useful to you now with an Aviator GT which can only handle 16A but it is great for "futureproofing" if you ever upgrade to a BEV in the future. As for general tips for installing a charging station you definitely need to plan and consult with an electrician if you're not knowledgeable about electrical stuff. You also should check your local electrical codes as to what is and isn't allowed based on the capacity of your incoming electrical service from your utility if you have 100A or 200A service. Where I live in Toronto the electrical codes set by Ontario Electrical Safety Authority are quite strict when it comes to EV charging stations. When my electrician installed the charging station at my house he ran into some problems with the inspector because I only have 100A incoming electrical service coming from the street and I have existing loads in my breaker panel for an electric range and electric dryer so because they are worried about overloading the panel they would not issue a permit for the charging station unless the charging current could be restricted to no more than 32A on a 40A rated circuit (with #8 wire) even though the JuiceBox charging station I bought is capable of a max charging current of 40A on a 50A rated circuit (with #6 wire). The good thing is the Lincoln OEM charging cable (actually made by Webasto) that comes with the Aviator GT is rated for 240V 16A which is the max charging rate the vehicle can handle anyway so if you don't want to incur the cost of installing a dedicated charging station you could just use that all the time and all you need to do is install a 240V 20A NEMA 6-20R receptacle in your garage which shouldn't cost much. See my previous posts about charging and related stuff in the other Aviator forums for more info.

Unfortunately neither of them fold but the WT one is pliable enough that in a pinch where I needed to use the 3rd row I was able to kind of bend/roll it upward to allow the 3rd row seats to come up. The OEM mat that came with mine only covers the small cargo area behind the 3rd row so it works perfectly to use with the 3rd row up. That's why I actually have both the WT and OEM cargo mats so I used the WT 90% of time as my main mat with 3rd row down and on the odd occasion I need to use the 3rd row I take my WT mat out and replace with OEM mat.

My 2020 Aviator GT has not had this problem and I’ve had it for over a year now. Generally the startup delay is about 3-4 seconds for the screen to load initially and occasionally I notice a slight delay of about 1-2 seconds to load a specific screen like maps or audio. But I’ve never experienced the kind of delays you’ve mentioned. Is your Sync software up to date? Mine just auto updated itself a month or so ago to version 3.4.20136 so I’m guessing that is the latest version. (See photo below)

Hey guys, I don't mean to detract from the thread topic on the F-150 Lightning (especially since I'm really interested in it and just put in a reservation for one this morning) but all the discussion on PHEV pros/cons peaked my interest. As a current 2020 Aviator GT PHEV owner (plus my company now has 3 other PHEV vehicles in our fleet) I could spend hours talking about PHEV's but most of the important points have been covered. I just wanted to share one specific thing about my own experience with the Aviator PHEV that has blown me away (aside from the performance and environmental benefits) and that is the cost savings! Since I picked up the Aviator over a year ago in January 2020 I have been tracking my exact fuel and hydro consumption with a detailed chart and the overall result is impressive. (See chart below) To date I've traveled about 17,000km (10,500mi) and overall spent just over $1,500 in gas and hydro combined! That is less than half of what I would spend in a year on just gas on my previous 2017 MKX which had cost me about $3,800-4,000 a year in gas for the similar distance of about 16,000km/year and it was a smaller, lighter ICE vehicle. My average fuel consumption on the Aviator worked out to 6.27L/100km (37.5 MPG). Also the PHEV powertrain on the Aviator has no issues at all towing my 3,500lb boat, which it can handle even in Pure EV mode when the battery is charged, whereas my previous MKX with the 2.7L EB V6 had a bit of hard time with towing. I have no complaints about my PHEV. 2020 lincoln aviator PHEV fuel log.pdf

My 2020 Aviator GT has always shown the numbers both in the middle and around the perimeter of the gauge (see photos below). Maybe this is something they changed for 2021MY?

I just got a disappointing call from the sales manager at our dealership on Friday, apparently they have been advised by Ford that there will be no leasing programs offered on the new 2021 Mach E through Ford Credit here in Ontario. When they finally arrive you will only be able to purchase or finance them. Apparently he said this looks to be the case in all provinces Canada wide, except Quebec because Quebec offers an $8000 EV rebate so you can lease them in Quebec but nowhere else. We have two Mach E's on order for our company with one of them supposed to land very soon and the plan was to lease them as we have two 2018 Escapes coming off lease soon and am really not interested in purchase or financing for various reasons. I really hate to walk away from such an exciting new vehicle but if Ford wont lease them to us it looks like we have to walk. Has anyone else heard about this? I'm curious if anyone else can corroborate it somehow. Is it just the Canadian market affected by the "lease ban" or are they able to be leased in the US?

Thanks for posting the pics @ColinAviator I was thinking of maybe installing a dashcam on my Aviator as well so now I know there's easy access to wiring under that panel.

My Aviator GT has the frameless auto dimming mirror and it definitely works well and turns on when you get headlight glare from behind so I will agree that it is electronically powered. It also triggers the driver's side exterior mirror to dim at the same time. I've never looked behind mine to see if there's a wire harness but I'm pretty sure the wiring is all built in or routed through the mounting bracket because that whole area behind the mirror also has the forward facing camera on it you can see it from outside the windshield so there would be wiring behind there. You may need to pull the headliner or remove some trim pieces to get at the wiring.

Definitely not normal. We have a 2018 Edge and 2019 Nautilus in our company fleet both with the same 2.0 4cyl turbo engine and they both drive excellent. 2018 Edge has 68,000km on it and the 2019 Nautilus has about 20,000km and have not experienced anything like what you describe. We're in Toronto so our vehicles get lots of cold usage as well. I agree with akirby sounds like a problem with the turbo, throttle or maybe mass airflow sensor. Is your check engine light on? Usually something that bad performance wise would trip a sensor and cause a trouble code.

Yes, when I brought it in the code had already cleared by itself so they really didn't do anything. They checked it with their scan tools and couldn't find anything wrong with the modules, so they cleared the code from memory. It has been working fine ever since so I guess it was a momentary glitch. While I'm sure it's unrelated, I did notice that my Sync 3 software updated itself a couple weeks ago as well.