The Handler
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Vapor blue is kind of an odd color choice for this package. Black would have been more appropriate.
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There's not a single Toyota design in the past 25 years that I have found attractive. Their designs are either incredibly generic/bland or overwrought monstrosities.
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2 hours ago, T-dubz said:
It’s been revealed
It’s ok. I like the profile. The rear side window reminds me of the early 4 runners. Front looks good on the trd pro, but looks bloated on the blue one.Absolute garbage. Does Toyota still employ professional designers?
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I do wish there was a fixed roof option for the Bronco. I have no desire to remove the top as good weather days are few and far between where I live. It's just not worth having to live with the creaking and wind noise that comes with a removable top.
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The Lincoln dealer close to me has 11 2023 Aviators sitting on the lot.
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I don't like that it's that expensive and built in Chicago. Just sayin'.
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This is a nice example of what a modern Lincoln would look like had they maintained that 1960s design DNA. Very timeless and would turn a lot of heads today. It’s what a Lincoln ought to look like.
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11 hours ago, ice-capades said:
I much prefer the grille and front-end treatment on the 2025 Aviator Reserve model. The Black Label model's front end looks like a "hot mess" and the Lincoln logo in the grille gets lost in the mess.
That logo-inspired grille texture is looking kind of stale. Cadillac and Mercedes-Benz is doing that as well, and it looks pretty cheap.
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1 hour ago, twintornados said:
...and even Edsel would have agreed that Mercury was becoming irrelevant with Ford's upscale trims
I don't think he would approve of how either division was managed since his death.
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On 1/9/2024 at 6:42 PM, twintornados said:
I would say with confidence that Lincoln will not be going anywhere as long as the Ford Family still controls the board and company. Lincoln was Edsel's baby and Edsel is held in highest regard within the family.
So was Mercury....
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I really miss seeing them on the streets. Nobody makes a sedan with a formal roofline and long decklid anymore.
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10 hours ago, ice-capades said:
I drove Mustang GT California Special's as my company car for many years. As the inventory manager and advertising manager for 3 Ford dealerships for 34 years, I could drive whatever I wanted with the exception of Shelby's or Raptor's which I had no interest in driving. I always ordered the GT/CS in white which was distinctive but not overstated. The 2024 GT/CS is just gaudy! A lot of the appearance and design work from Ford in recent years is just plain tacky in my opinion... no sense of style, too many people having decision making input, etc.
The S550 California Specials were very attractive.
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Meh. I'm not crazy about this new design in general IMO. It looks a bit off. I think might be too clean. The door handles don't blend in well with the sheet metal.
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The Super Chief was truly the Rolls-Royce Phantom of trucks. Who knows if the very wealthy would buy something like that.
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4 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:
I've found that older people tend to struggle more with getting in sedans than they do with trucks and SUVs. My dad can barely get in our explorer, or maverick. He's only in his late 60s, but when we rented a Corolla hybrid, it genuinely took him about 5 minutes everytime he got in or out.
Something like a maverick is about as good as it gets when it comes to seating position, it's higher up than a sedan, so you don't have to bend down to get in, but it's a lot lower than a full size truck. It also gets better fuel economy than most sedans and hatchbacks, rides decent ish, much better than most BOF trucks. It genuinely serves as a solid replacement for most cars. My family HATES most trucks, and we absolutely adore this thing.
Unless the hybrid system absolutely shits the bed, unlikely considering the reputation Ford trucks/hybrid systems have, then I'm confident in saying it's a better vehicle than any of the sedans we've owned. If/when Ford brings back sedans, it will make more sense to position them to appeal to younger buyers.
Some sort of sedan that rides on a shared hybrid/EV platforms and can be engineered for next to nothing thanks to parts sharing. Older people need practical, versatile vehicles. Younger people generally need affordable and energetic efficient vehicles with a very low cost of ownership, a small affordable EV would be perfect for them. Especially considering young people aren't really getting married/having kids these days, so it's not long they really need a large Cuv or van.
Strange. My grandparents' generation had no trouble getting in and out of Town Cars and Delta 88s.
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That's a much better looking face.
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On 9/6/2023 at 7:56 PM, jasonj80 said:
That wasn't a concern, wouldn't make a difference as the sales would still end up at FoMoCo. Sales cannibalization was not a concern at PAG they actually were good with customers having an assortment of PAG vehicles in their driveway. The long goal was Jaguar would be more Benz / Lexus competition and Lincoln would be more BMW/Audi. The LS and the small sedan and then SUV were to have launched Lincoln back into the European market.Shouldn't have been the other way around since Jaguar is the one with the driver's car heritage?
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On 8/30/2023 at 10:32 AM, jasonj80 said:
They basically invented the Full Size luxury segment with the Navigator then gave it away to Cadillac. Cadillac didn't have an answer when it launched in 1997 then did a rush job to get the 99 Escalade out which was just a Yukon and a few badges.
They tried to make the first gen Aviator different but focused on underpinnings to make it different rather than what the customer saw in style.
There was actually a smaller Lincoln SUV based on the first Escape as well that would have come out in 2003 along with a smaller sedan.
Some hate Nasser, but he was the last CEO that saw potential in Lincoln. That's why he wanted it in California to escape the BS that was Dearborn.
A rejuvenated Lincoln would have stepped on Jaguar's toes.
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I'm relieved to know it's not Icon 4x4 doing it.
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There was a rendering years ago of it having C-clamp headlights similar to the Expedition. I wish they had gone with that instead of a car-like face. Also, I wish they had not gone with wide black plastic trim.
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18 hours ago, BigBendMatt said:
I don't have the answer, but man I wish it did. I don't see why it couldn't have and been built alongside Aviator and Explorer. Someone more knowledgeable than me might know why though
A sportier RWD version of the new Nautilus would be right up my alley.
That looks really good.
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5 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:
Case in point, here's a side by side comparison of several Lincoln crossovers, compared to Aston Martin's crossover, which is the best looking SUV ever imo. All three look good, but the Aston looks more enticing, and sport as a result of those proportions, minimal overhangs, longer hood, etc. The proportions of ICE lincolns are restricted by the Ford products they're based on. But future EVs should have more flexibility in the proportions they enable.
Wasn't the Nautilus supposed to go on CD6?
2025 Ford Expedition Interior Spotted
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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I hope the production plastic side mirror pedestals aren’t matte black.