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This pic makes me wonder how you even get in the back seat. That looks like the smallest door I’ve ever seen.

It’s been revealed https://www.4runner6g.com/forum/threads/2025-4runner-photos-specs-🔥-trailhunter-trd-pro-off-road-platinum-trims.1283/ It’s ok. I like the profile. The rear side window reminds me of the early 4 runners. Front looks good on the trd pro, but looks bloated on the blue one.

I can’t spot any differences. guessing the “grille” area might look a bit different since it’s the only thing covered. Not sure why the rest of the camo was needed.

I like it, but only in the ST trim. Looks like it’s about escape sized. The envision pictured is an ST and the article says it starts at $37795 (doesn’t mention if destination is included). I’m assuming a platinum escape would be similar in options and its $37,465 before destination. Corsair starts at $38,890.

I own a bronco and I would definitely cross shop a 4Runner. They are just different niches in the off-road vehicle market. The removable roof was not a factor in the purchase of my bronco, I just like the looks. I like what I see so far on the 4Runner. Hope the front is more Land Cruiser than Tacoma, but I don’t think that will be the case.

But look at its competition. The model Y and VW ID4 aren’t exactly lookers. After the mach e and Kia ev9, this is probably the best looking suv ev in the price range, and it offers features more comparable to the much more expensive rivians.

I’ve always thought the ocean was one of the most compelling ev options out there. It looks good and has nice features for a reasonable price.

Edge sales are crazy. It’s selling almost as much as the escape and it’s a 100 year old design. Rebates are surprisingly low at only $1500 too. Wonder what sales would be like if ford refreshed the sheet metal? Interior just needs an update to ford’s current switchgear and steering wheel along with a new seat and dash design. I was wondering where all of the sales were happening at because I haven’t seen any edges on dealer lots around me and haven’t noticed any new ones on the road, but I’d guess it’s a big seller up north where awd is more important. standard awd, huge touchscreen, good amount of tech, and a moderately low price make it a pretty compelling option.

https://fordauthority.com/2024/03/ford-ev-features-escape-footprint-and-explorer-sized-cabin/ this article says it could be the size of an escape but have interior size close to explorer. My explorer is pretty spacious inside, so that would be nice to have in a smaller package.

You are comparing it to the wrong truck. You should really be asking what does the ranger provide that the maverick doesn’t? The interiors are very similar in size. I think the maverick even has more rear leg room than the ranger. Ranger can obviously tow more and has a bigger bed, but is that worth an extra 10k to most buyers?

I think it makes sense to have a split tailgate on large SUVs like the expedition. By splitting the tailgate in half, you now need less space to open the rear. Comes in handy if you are parallel parked, or reverse parked near a wall. Also, I’d imagine the top tailgate wouldn’t stick up as high so it would be easier to open in low garages. The downside like rmc523 said, is that it makes it harder to reach things in the back.

I like it. I’m curious what will be below what we see in the picture and how the rest of the center console will look like. Comparing to the new explorer, it appears all the buttons the explorer has are present within the dash of the expedition. With the rotary shifter now in the dash, there’s a whole lot of space they need to fill. I guess they will have the drive mode selector down there and some wireless chargers maybe.

I don’t know, I could see 2027, it’s not that far away. This picture I believe came from a car scoops article on 2/2/23. That’s over a year ago and we haven’t seen or heard much else about this. If this is supposed to come out in 2025, I would think we would have seen at least some camo covered spy pics by now. Now, I haven’t seen an article specify if this thing is supposed to come out in calendar year 2025 or MY2025, but other MY2025 vehicles have had their spy pics out for months now. Here’s my theory about BORGs comments. Maybe it was originally supposed to come out in the later half of 2025 as a 2026 model. Maybe BORGs source said it was delayed to 2027, but he actually meant MY2027. If that’s the case, the vehicle is only actually being delayed one year.

For sure, that’s why I ask. Imo EV’s need to be cheaper than ice if they are ever going to overtake ice. Making an ev equal to essentially the top tier trim of a vehicle is still making it more expensive than the average consumer can afford. Basically, it’s not moving the needle enough, but at least it’s moving in the right direction.

Would it be priced 3-5k more before or after tax credits? If it’s before tax credits, that would essentially make the evs cheaper than their ICE counterparts.

I’ve always liked any poster who brings us news of future product. I don’t even care if it’s not right, half the fun is the speculation and the discussion it inspires. I personally think it’s a good idea to delay these evs. If it was released with a questionable design, or subpar range due to old battery technology, it could be a major flop and cost ford a ton of money. Waiting on the ev market to change and battery improvements would give it the best chance to succeed.

Interesting. I always thought the manual should be the optional transmission anyways. If customers really want the manual, they’ll pay for it. If not then eliminate it as an option and save some money.

https://www.ms-rt.com/model/ford-ranger-ms-rt Looks pretty cool. Hopefully something like this will come to the USA. They also have a nice looking Transit on their website too.

I’m amazed that this feature only costs $60 yet ford probably charges thousands for it. Wonder how much they jack up the price on everything else?

This looks to be a huge improvement. I hate that the current screen is off centered. And the storage compartment next to it looks like an after thought. Like ford had originally planned for a larger screen but then changed their mind at the last second.

Any updates on this? My 2017 escape 2.0 has this same issue. I’m still under 60k miles but over the 5 year on the 5yr/60k powertrain warranty. Dealer is telling me my extended warranty wont cover the engine replacement which is $8k. Are there any other actions I can take? This is now two ford’s in a row that have had major issues before or around 70k miles.

I like the ST grille. The others don’t seem to work as well. The activ trim looks like an old gmc grille. The interior is a huge improvement and the new infotainment system looks cool.

Do you believe the fusion is a passion product? When I had one, I’d go to fusion websites and you’d see people doing the same thing, customizing the interior, spending thousands to do Mondeo headlight swaps, upgrading the sound system, etc. Google any car model and you will find a forum of people discussing it. The honda civic is the definition of commodity vehicle, and is about as boring as can be, yet it had more people customizing it than the maverick will ever have. Just because a few people are passionate about a vehicle does not make the vehicle itself a passion product.

Maybe y’all are on to something here. If you squint your eyes, this kinda looks like a tiny expedition. A three row compact suv could be one of those new markets ford is trying to get in to. There might be some other 3 row compacts out there but none that would have the space and legroom this would have.

That means absolutely nothing. The reason people pay msrp or above or wait a long time for it is solely due to price. Any comparable truck alternative is probably 40k so even if I pay 27k instead of the 25k msrp, I’m still saving 13k over going with the alternative. If the maverick started at 40k instead of 25k, there would be no waiting to buy it, no paying above msrp, and probably no loyal fan base. The reason the Ecosport failed was because it was ugly, and too small. Maverick is by no means a looker, but it’s bland enough to be inoffensive and it offers way more utility then the Ecosport ever could and can carry four adults somewhat comfortably.