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On 3/19/2024 at 10:21 AM, Rick73 said:
Car and Driver said it well — “My, How You've Grown”
Looks great to me, particularly in blue, though I wonder if size, cost, and fuel consumption have become too close to F-150?
You are comparing it to the wrong truck. You should really be asking what does the ranger provide that the maverick doesn’t? The interiors are very similar in size. I think the maverick even has more rear leg room than the ranger. Ranger can obviously tow more and has a bigger bed, but is that worth an extra 10k to most buyers?
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I think it makes sense to have a split tailgate on large SUVs like the expedition. By splitting the tailgate in half, you now need less space to open the rear. Comes in handy if you are parallel parked, or reverse parked near a wall. Also, I’d imagine the top tailgate wouldn’t stick up as high so it would be easier to open in low garages. The downside like rmc523 said, is that it makes it harder to reach things in the back.
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I like it. I’m curious what will be below what we see in the picture and how the rest of the center console will look like. Comparing to the new explorer, it appears all the buttons the explorer has are present within the dash of the expedition. With the rotary shifter now in the dash, there’s a whole lot of space they need to fill. I guess they will have the drive mode selector down there and some wireless chargers maybe.
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I don’t know, I could see 2027, it’s not that far away. This picture I believe came from a car scoops article on 2/2/23. That’s over a year ago and we haven’t seen or heard much else about this. If this is supposed to come out in 2025, I would think we would have seen at least some camo covered spy pics by now.
Now, I haven’t seen an article specify if this thing is supposed to come out in calendar year 2025 or MY2025, but other MY2025 vehicles have had their spy pics out for months now.
Here’s my theory about BORGs comments. Maybe it was originally supposed to come out in the later half of 2025 as a 2026 model. Maybe BORGs source said it was delayed to 2027, but he actually meant MY2027. If that’s the case, the vehicle is only actually being delayed one year.
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1 hour ago, silvrsvt said:
Who knows how long tax credits will be around for and if newer products will be able to get 100% of them.
For sure, that’s why I ask. Imo EV’s need to be cheaper than ice if they are ever going to overtake ice. Making an ev equal to essentially the top tier trim of a vehicle is still making it more expensive than the average consumer can afford. Basically, it’s not moving the needle enough, but at least it’s moving in the right direction.
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Would it be priced 3-5k more before or after tax credits? If it’s before tax credits, that would essentially make the evs cheaper than their ICE counterparts.
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I’ve always liked any poster who brings us news of future product. I don’t even care if it’s not right, half the fun is the speculation and the discussion it inspires.
I personally think it’s a good idea to delay these evs. If it was released with a questionable design, or subpar range due to old battery technology, it could be a major flop and cost ford a ton of money. Waiting on the ev market to change and battery improvements would give it the best chance to succeed.- 2
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Interesting. I always thought the manual should be the optional transmission anyways. If customers really want the manual, they’ll pay for it. If not then eliminate it as an option and save some money.
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https://www.ms-rt.com/model/ford-ranger-ms-rt
Looks pretty cool. Hopefully something like this will come to the USA. They also have a nice looking Transit on their website too.
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I’m amazed that this feature only costs $60 yet ford probably charges thousands for it. Wonder how much they jack up the price on everything else?
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This looks to be a huge improvement. I hate that the current screen is off centered. And the storage compartment next to it looks like an after thought. Like ford had originally planned for a larger screen but then changed their mind at the last second.
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Any updates on this? My 2017 escape 2.0 has this same issue. I’m still under 60k miles but over the 5 year on the 5yr/60k powertrain warranty. Dealer is telling me my extended warranty wont cover the engine replacement which is $8k. Are there any other actions I can take?
This is now two ford’s in a row that have had major issues before or around 70k miles.
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I like the ST grille. The others don’t seem to work as well. The activ trim looks like an old gmc grille. The interior is a huge improvement and the new infotainment system looks cool.
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54 minutes ago, akirby said:
Do you believe the fusion is a passion product? When I had one, I’d go to fusion websites and you’d see people doing the same thing, customizing the interior, spending thousands to do Mondeo headlight swaps, upgrading the sound system, etc. Google any car model and you will find a forum of people discussing it. The honda civic is the definition of commodity vehicle, and is about as boring as can be, yet it had more people customizing it than the maverick will ever have. Just because a few people are passionate about a vehicle does not make the vehicle itself a passion product.
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Maybe y’all are on to something here. If you squint your eyes, this kinda looks like a tiny expedition. A three row compact suv could be one of those new markets ford is trying to get in to. There might be some other 3 row compacts out there but none that would have the space and legroom this would have.
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1 hour ago, akirby said:
You’re just arguing semantics. Do Maverick buyers like their vehicle enough to pay MSRP or higher and wait up to 18 months? Yes. That’s the goal.
That means absolutely nothing. The reason people pay msrp or above or wait a long time for it is solely due to price. Any comparable truck alternative is probably 40k so even if I pay 27k instead of the 25k msrp, I’m still saving 13k over going with the alternative. If the maverick started at 40k instead of 25k, there would be no waiting to buy it, no paying above msrp, and probably no loyal fan base. The reason the Ecosport failed was because it was ugly, and too small. Maverick is by no means a looker, but it’s bland enough to be inoffensive and it offers way more utility then the Ecosport ever could and can carry four adults somewhat comfortably.
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12 minutes ago, sullynd said:
You must not spend much time on the multiple Maverick forums or Facebook groups. Lots of passionate fans of the Maverick. We’re very happy with my wife’s Mav.Being very happy and passionate are completely different things. I would equate being very happy with a vehicle to liking it, which is why I said lots of people like it. I too like the maverick for what it is, but it in no way invokes passion in me and I’m sure it doesn’t in you or your wife either. I go to mavericktruckclub several times a week and the amount of users and posts there is nothing compared to a true passion product forum like bronco6g.
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35 minutes ago, akirby said:
Oh good grief you just don’t get it. Maverick buyers are passionate about their trucks. It’s not about price.
The maverick is a fine vehicle. It checks a lot of boxes, gets good gas mileage, it’s cheap and has a lot of utility. Lots of people like it, but I doubt anyone is passionate about it. The definition of passion is strong and barely controllable emotion. Do you honestly think anyone feels that way about the maverick? Passion products would be vehicles that you aspire to own or a vehicle that you would take over all others regardless of price. No one is picking a maverick in either of those situations.regardless, I think Farley would classify the maverick in the “work” vehicles and not a passion product anyways.
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7 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:
To be fair, look at the maverick. It's not expensive, it's not some exotic vehicle offering. It is that reliable A to B transportation device than many buyers want. But it's not some generic commodity product either. It's a passion product that broke the mold, and captured everyone's attention by being radically different to what was being offered by other brands. Aside from the model 3, it's probably the only affordable entry level product in my lifetime that people have cared about, that people have been excited about.
So I don't see Farley's comments as saying Ford will only selling broncos and mustangs in a few years. I see his comments as Ford rethinking it's offerings in high volume segments to make something worthy of your money. Alter that transit van to make it a better tool for your business, or a better option for the van life folks. Making thinks like the explorer more visually daring, and forward thinking, same goes for the escape, instead of making a small crossover vanilla blob on wheels, offering a small crossover that actually has a reason to exist in the space.
Basically look at Ford's lineup, and reimagine most of those products as class leading, sexier, faster, more versatile takes on what Ford's already offering. That's how I envision this.
I’ll say he’s never been good at choosing his words because he often says things that can be interpreted multiple ways. It sounds to me like he wants to go more profitable niche markets instead of focusing on the masses, but maybe I’m wrong. I would be a big fan of some exciting vehicles, especially if the price was right. Most of ford’s vehicles have been boring lately, minus the broncos and raptors, which of course are very expensive.Bronco - exciting
Bronco sport - exciting
Ranger - boring, probably the most boring in its segment
Escape - most boring in its segment, dated
explorer - neither boring or exciting, but the most exciting out of the vehicles in its segment
maverick - boring, but good qualities that make it appealing
mach e - somewhat exciting but already looks dated
mustang - somewhat exciting, but looks dated for being brand new
edge - boring dated design
expedition - boring and bloated looking but better then it looked a few years ago
f150 - neither boring or exciting
lightning - boring
F250 - exciting
transit - boring
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Maybe I’m getting old but all that bronze looks ugly. Those wheels would look awesome in black though.
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I thought this quote was telling:
“There are a lot of car companies, but what is going to make Ford different? And for me it’s very simple: we don’t make commodity products,” Farley said. “We make products for people who work, and work with their hands, and we make passion products like Bronco and Mustang. And that’s what we do at Ford, and when we’ve gotten away from that formula, it hasn’t worked out. We want Ford to be a powerhouse when it comes to passion products and work products. No more boring products, and that’s what this night is all about.”
The reason ford vehicles don’t usually work out is because ford doesn’t update them, not because they were commodities. Most of these “commodity” vehicles were big sellers until ford left them high and dry. Also, look at all the top selling vehicles in each segment, most of them could be considered commodities. I’m sure the rav4 and crv are bringing in plenty of money for Toyota and Honda.
Most people don’t buy work vehicles or passion products. They need good, reliable transportation to get them where they need to go. It seems shortsighted to get rid of “boring” vehicles when that’s what most people buy.
Here’s my problem with all of this. “Passion” and “exciting” when used to describe a vehicle are usually also associated with the word “expensive”.
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I don’t know much about off-roading or suspension, but I’d have to think that all the weight from the batteries would wear out the shocks pretty fast right? Jumping with that much weight also doesn’t seem like a good idea unless everything else has been beefed up to handle it.
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1 hour ago, silvrsvt said:
The proportions of it are odd to my eye too..maybe it will look better in person
Yeah, I wonder if the angle of the pic is throwing the proportions off. That rear 3/4 pic looks too much like the current charger to me. I really like the concept though so hopefully it looks more like that in person.
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Trax is doing really well at 44k for the quarter. Looks like it was only beat by the trucks and the equinox.
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REPORT: $25K Ford EV Will Be Built at Louisville Assembly
in E.V. Central
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https://fordauthority.com/2024/03/ford-ev-features-escape-footprint-and-explorer-sized-cabin/
this article says it could be the size of an escape but have interior size close to explorer. My explorer is pretty spacious inside, so that would be nice to have in a smaller package.