Bob Rosadini

The 750 can go as high as 37,000 lb GVW which is a class 8 but I don't think it is reported as such. Just as in the old days of the GM mediums. You could get a Chevy or GMC that exceeded 33,000 lbs but when HDT was publishing monthly stats, they never reported any GM class 8 sales if my memory is correct.

I thought we were talking trucks??

7M, Agree 100% on the trans issue. Like I said previously, the Power Stroke may be a turn off for some buyers but not to the degree that the transmission is. As for a tandem, I can't see that as a high cost item to add. There are plenty of applications where a tandem serves as a platform with some sort of processing unit such as a Vactor, crane hydro seeder, etc. Chassis gets the unit to job site where it then sits for better part of day while auxiliary power unit powers the equipment. Remember "back in the day, Ford offered tandems down to a T-700. I think it was a 28,000 lb set up Oh and my dealer source says 24 order guide should be out in next 7-10 days

Looking at figures Antaus just posted looks like the 22% gain in medium trucks is all 650/750 as the OAP production of 550/600 is all reported under Super Duty sales.

Interesting how Ram carries Utah-small market-probably a very aggressive Ram dealer???. Also I'm sure if Chev/GMC were combined I'm sure there would be far fewer Blue states.

Joe, Well based on'23 order guide you can get a 750 with 14,000 lb front axle and a 26,000 rear, which everything else being proper should give you a 40,000 GVW. but even with those axles max GVW you can get is 37,000. But as a practical matter, IMO I don 't think the 6.7 Power Stroke is up to that service and the Torque Shift trans even less so. The 550 with that power train is very popular around here with DPW's as they are "nimble" and good for cleaning up intersections and handling typical nuisance 4" snow falls but I can't see the 750 in a "conga line" on an interstate.

For sure..that is my fear.

Well guys, thx very much for all the responses. I was kind of surprised this important topic had not come up sooner. Some quick thoughts.... -Ric 73 Your view on India/China is the best support for the old saying..." Statistics 101-How to lie with numbers"?. Kind of like death by a thousand slices. - Two more sayings I always subscribed to- "work expands with time allocated", and "if you leave an office -cube vacant, someone will think of a way to occupy it. -And for sure on the engineering manpower, and in support of Al M's "One Ford", it looks like that has been followed with the new Ranger development but for sure it seems a lot of dollars are spent world wide working on other projects in which more effort could probably be made if rule no. 1 could be "make it work world wide. At least it looks like the guys at Ford Otosan who I read were allegedly in charge of worldwide heavy truck engineering- has worked to some degree as the instrument panels , Steering wheel/controls In the heavy F-Max look like they came off of a 150. Keep the thoughts coming as I'm as usual getting an education.

So any opinions on the latest round of manpower cuts? It has been publicized that Ford has far more engineers than the competition. Yet Ford has the worst recall history I do believe of anyone. Is that a function of poor engineering? Poor outsourcing decisions? If so no doubt that the functional guys making the big bucks should be held accountable for that. Then I keep reading about the need for the ICE side of the business -which IS profitable -to continue to fund the EV side? How is the ICE side expected to continue funding the EV side if investment is not made to keep it profitable?? Is GM/Stellantis sitting on their hands in terms of ICE improvements??? In yesterday's WSJ, Farley is quoted as saying last month that....."the cost of making an EV might not be equal to that of internal combustion vehicles until after 2030". Now I recognize parity in costs is not the same as profitability, but that says the buying public will have to be willing to pay the premium for a comparable vehicle. Then again with Ford about to sit down with the UAW nothing like sowing a little fear. To repeat my favorite thought-- EVs yes, but in due time when all the factors make the numbers work. And who knows, in a year and a half, perhaps everything we do-and Europe for that matter, will not be driven by the climate change panic. Perhaps even China and India will clean up their act in terms of their disproportionate contributions to the climate problem Thoughts??

Stay tuned!

Further to my comment on Mack's long ago decision to replace the spacious "L" cab with the "aero" B model . Note attached picture of a B-73 restoration that a friend of mine is just completing.

Sooner, Thx- I did some checking on Forscan and you need Windows. When I retired that was the end of my PC days as we always had Apples for my kids, wife and then myself. I've been busy with another project o one of my kids will hve to help me out.

22..built Oct 22

You have to think...you are selling a vocational truck. How could they be that stupid regarding the upfitter issue.

Thx, What is surprising to me is the number of Paccars..Petes in particular that are in the house to house fuel market up here in NE 33,000, 2700 gal tks. A market ford owned in the old days with LN-8000, and even C-8000's . A big Ford market and I can count the number of F-750s I've seen in that market-and those were old Cautilan 750s (Cat or Cummins) as well as a few Bluediamonds-no Ohio trucks. I think part of the Pete thing is they are candy when it comes to attracting help. My town DPW has been all International for big sixwheelers and Ford 550's for the small trucks. Just got a new F'liner.

The CH was introduced in 88. I never thought the cab was constrained..at least for vocational use-for that matter I never thought the R was constrained. Now could it be constrained for an OO "hotshot" who has his wife and dog with him?..maybe. And I have never sat in an MD much less driven one, but for its intended vocational use, just how much seat space do you need? G'head says it utilizes CH doors. so the rest of the cab is unique to the MD? Given its likely volume, I am surprised Mack would not have used the cab.structure as well. Price wise, 33,000 gvw, same 6.7, Allison or Eaton trans, I'W, how do the FL, MV's stack up? I'm assuming the Paccar twins are at the highest end of the cost structure and of course a F-750 would be the very lowest priced. But again, what do I know as the owner of a B-61X. I've always wondered...what was Mack thinking when they introduced the "aerodynamic B" in '53 while still offering the spacious "L" with its big square windshields, and roomy, high seating position cab. A decision I'm sure driven by marketing types who put "change" before functionality.?

7M..thx i was just thinking about the JV 45-6500 conventionals. Forgot about the Cabovers. IMO they would be going backward to replace Cummins with a Duramax. Ford should be so smart!

Guys...Reference this....if GM was considering using the same approach Ford has with their mediums by using more homegrown powertrains, and they needed the production capacity to support it. .. Isn't GM already using nothing but homegrown power trains?? No Cummins, No Cat...as opposed to Ford that DID offer Cummins and Cat and Allison and now there IS no choice. Which as we all recognize is the result of Ford's commitment to avoid purchasing anything that deprives them of the profit margin from internal production Or is the thought here that GM could make more money if their vehicle volume was higher to move more Duramax engines....as they are so profitable. By the way, how is that Isuzu/GM pie split up?

IM O, all depends on condition of body. Given fact they were rust buckets, the price reflects the mileage-if correct, and I would guess body was fair to good. But the more I watch BJ and Mecom the more confused I get on values.

Joe if it is a new 750 you will only see one of two badges....chrome "V-8" emblem for 7.3 power or "6.7 Powerstroke"

Thx Ifeg..likewise I installed an aftermarket one in a 2015 my oldest son bought..that was easy. Got a couple responses to this on the 150 thread. Need a computer interface now.

Sooner, Cliff Thx guys. I remember putting one in m sons 2015 but I bought an aftermarket controller and it was simple. I've done m share of YT surfing and as Cliff says, at some point you need a computer hook up. I'm thinking I will end up taking it to dealer..maybe I will buy what I need to avoid dealer mark up. Stay tuned.

After reading your post, just today I picked up the Truck/Equipment flyer that is published every two weeks here in New England and checked the Ford dealer adds. Only 4 650's advertised and all four were 7.3's. I have to say that is the first time I have seen that- usually Power Strokes. And again if 600's are selling, the dealers around here seem to be sticking to 550's-which surprises me.

CCJ Daily Report today has big article on Mack MD series..."nothing short of success". Goes on to say the class 6 and 7's are now at 5% market share and following rollout in September 2020 they built their 10,000th in Feb. of this year!! And Ford can't afford to engineer in air brakes for a 650/750 with gasoline power.. Mack's president goes on to say..."The visibility is fantastic. The ride is great, and then of course we came to market with what was already the accepted components, right? Allison transmissions, Cummins B6.7, Meritor....its what people know, what they're comfortable with and certainly now for Mack what they're buying". And yes, I understand how much Ford makes with a proprietary engine/trans as the only option. I just think it is foolish to leave so many incremental sales on the table that would serve to lower Ford's unit costs at OAP. And to those who say those incremental sales would come at the expense of Ford's proprietary driveline I would say for sure..but at a very low percentage vs the gain. Many buyers would be willing to accept the less than state of art cab, but not the big ticket power train items.

Guys, Just posted a question on 150 thread. Would appreciate any help someone with brake controller installs can provide. Thx