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I'm not surprised it's automatic only on the 2.3 Ecoboost. I'm actually impressed with the price of the Raptor, even though I'm seeing a lot complaints about it. I don't know what they expect, when no one else has something with this much power in a midsize pickup.

I've heard about the GX being all-new later this year and debuts after this one. It's definitely not gone and more like Lex G-Wagen I hear.

RANGER RAPTOR COMING TO AMERICA: THE ALL-NEW 2024 FORD RANGER RAPTOR IS READY TO DOMINATE IN THE DIRT  https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023/05/10/coming-to-america--the-all-new-2024-ford-ranger-raptor-is-ready-.html# The all-new 2024 Ford Ranger Raptor®, the most powerful and high-performance, off-road capable Ranger ever, is designed and engineered by Ford Performance to take off-road capability to the next level among midsize trucks Built to take on challenging dunes, Raptor’s long travel suspension, including a Watts link rear suspension and class-exclusive 2.5-inch FOX™ Live Valve shocks*, gives you everything you need to chase down the horizon Unique Ranger Raptor 3.0-liter EcoBoost® V6 generates best-in-class 405 horsepower** and 430 pound-feet of torque paired with an advanced four-wheel drive system, a new electronically controlled on-demand two-speed transfer case, and front and rear locking differentials for improved off-road traction Race-proven in the Baja 1000, Ranger Raptor expands the Raptor family of high-performance vehicles, including F-150 Raptor®, F-150 Raptor R, and Bronco Raptor ® DEARBORN, Mich., May 10, 2023 – The wait is over; the all-new 2024 Ford Ranger Raptor is coming to North America. Raptor is based on a proven legacy of performance and built with uncompromised suspension design, power, purposeful technology, and rugged styling. Ranger Raptor is fully prepared to take on the most demanding terrain its extreme adventure-seeking customers can find.  Confident Suspension, Purposeful Tech The heart of every Raptor is its suspension. Ranger Raptor starts with a purpose-built suspension that includes lightweight aluminum upper and lower control arms and a long-travel rear suspension with a Watts linkage and trailing arms for control and confidence in off-road conditions. Ranger Raptor’s next-generation FOX™ 2.5-inch Live Valve Internal Bypass shocks are coil-overs at the front and piggyback reservoirs at the rear to reduce heat build-up for uninterrupted performance all day long.  Ranger Raptor is built on a beefy foundation, taking Ranger’s fully boxed frame up a notch by reinforcing the front frame rails, front shock towers, rear shock brackets, suspension mounting points, and other key areas so Ranger Raptor can handle more punishing off-road conditions.*** The FOX™ Live Valve Internal Bypass system changes damping performance based on Ranger Raptor’s Drive Modes. The modes include Normal, Tow/Haul, Sport, Slippery, Off-Road, Rock Crawl, and Baja, all developed to provide better on-road comfort, off-road control, capability and ride quality at high and low speeds. Each selectable drive mode appropriately adjusts the tuning of the engine, transmission, ABS calibration, traction control, steering, throttle response and even the instrument cluster and touch screen look and information. The active valve exhaust system can also be tuned to several modes including Quiet, Normal, Sport and Baja settings. Ranger Raptor also comes with Trail Control™ so drivers can navigate tricky spots while the truck manages the throttle and brakes. Ranger Raptor is built on a beefy foundation, taking Ranger’s fully boxed frame up a notch by reinforcing the front frame rails, front shock towers, rear shock brackets, suspension mounting points, and other key areas so Ranger Raptor can handle more punishing off-road conditions.*** The FOX™ Live Valve Internal Bypass system changes damping performance based on Ranger Raptor’s Drive Modes. The modes include Normal, Tow/Haul, Sport, Slippery, Off-Road, Rock Crawl, and Baja, all developed to provide better on-road comfort, off-road control, capability and ride quality at high and low speeds. Each selectable drive mode appropriately adjusts the tuning of the engine, transmission, ABS calibration, traction control, steering, throttle response and even the instrument cluster and touch screen look and information. The active valve exhaust system can also be tuned to several modes including Quiet, Normal, Sport and Baja settings. Ranger Raptor also comes with Trail Control™ so drivers can navigate tricky spots while the truck manages the throttle and brakes. Beginning with a compacted graphite-iron cylinder block, the engine utilizes a race-bred anti turbo-lag system to enable boost on demand in Baja mode. It keeps the turbochargers spinning for up to three seconds after the driver backs off the throttle, so acceleration is there while exiting corners. Bolted to that EcoBoost engine is a class-exclusive 10-speed SelectShift® automatic transmission* mated to an advanced four-wheel drive system with a new electronically controlled on-demand two-speed transfer case combined with front and rear locking differentials. Designed for Purpose Each Ranger Raptor design element has a purpose. Confident, modern styling starts with LED projector headlights to light up the night flanked by C-clamp signature lighting. Bold F-O-R-D lettering on the grille sits above an all-steel bumper with integrated, frame-mounted front and rear tow hooks and LED taillights that provide a signature C-clamp link to the front. Flared fenders with functional fender vents house aggressive 33-inch BFGoodrich® all-terrain KO3® tires on 17-inch wheels that can be mounted to optional beadlock capable wheels with available bead locks for running extra low tire pressures in sand and rocky conditions. Ranger Raptor also sports serious underbody protection. The thick front bash plate is made of high-strength steel and is complemented by dedicated engine, transfer case and fuel tank shields. The Raptor’s cab is built for performance, with a sport steering wheel including cast magnesium alloy paddle shifters for quick transmission control and a signature Raptor centering mark in a Code Orange color. Six overhead upfitter switches mounted in the overhead console simplify powering off-road hardware. Unique Ford Performance front seats are supportive, with extra bolstering to hold drivers in place during high-speed cornering. The rest of the cab includes premium materials trimmed in Code Orange. Ranger Raptor connects the driver to adventure with features like a 360-Degree Camera and Front View Camera to assist in off-roading, Zone Lighting to light up the night in remote locations, and class-exclusive* Pro Trailer Backup Assist† to help back up boats and campers at the kinds of remote locations Raptors are built to reach. Even far out there, drivers want to be informed and connected, so Raptor comes with a high-resolution 12.4-inch digital instrument cluster and 12-inch center touchscreen running SYNC® 4A, Apple CarPlay® and Android Auto™ wireless smartphone connectivity††. Finally, if the active exhaust doesn’t provide enough auditory stimulation, there’s a Bang & Olufsen® sound system to pump out your favorite soundtracks. The Ford Raptor family spans across its truck and SUV portfolio. F-150 Raptor, F-150 Raptor R, Bronco Raptor, and now Ranger Raptor are all built for the passionate performance enthusiast who wants a truck to tackle their biggest adventures. A pre-production 2023 Ranger Raptor even proved its mettle by winning the stock midclass category of the Baja 1000, completing the course in 26 hours and 21 minutes. And then it drove home, almost 200 miles from the finish line to California. The 2024 Ford Ranger Raptor will be proudly assembled at the Michigan Assembly Plant in Wayne, Michigan††† with orders beginning later this month and availability late this summer. Visit Ford.com/RangerReady more details and information. *Class is Midsize Pickups **Max. 405 horsepower based on 3.0L EcoBoost® engine. Class is Midsize Pickups. Horsepower and torque ratings based on premium fuel per SAE J1349® standard. Your results may vary. Horsepower and torque are independent attributes and may not be achieved simultaneously. *** Always consult the Owner’s Manual before off-road driving, know your terrain and trail difficulty, and use appropriate safety gear. †Driver-assist features are supplemental and do not replace the driver’s attention, judgment and need to control the vehicle. It does not replace safe driving. See Owner’s Manual for details and limitations. ††Requires phone with active data service and compatible software. SYNC® 4A does not control 3rd party products while in use. 3rd Parties are solely responsible for their respective functionality. †††Assembled in the USA with domestic and foreign parts. Apple CarPlay is a trademark of Apple Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries Android Auto is a trademark of Google LLC BANG & OLUFSEN® AND B&O™ are trademarks of Bang & Olufsen Group. Licensed by Harman Becker Automotive Systems Manufacturing Kft. All Rights reserved

Well it's here! ALL-NEW FORD RANGER IS THE MOST CONNECTED AND CAPABLE RANGER EVER – TOUGH-TESTED GLOBALLY AND PROVEN READY FOR EPIC ADVENTURES https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023/05/10/all-new-ford-ranger-is-the-most-connected-and-capable-ranger-eve.html# DEARBORN, Mich., May 10, 2023 – Proven globally to be ready for adventure, the all-new 2024 Ford Ranger pickup is made to enable owners to do more of what they love outdoors, with smart new features to explore new places and take on new challenges. It’s the most connected and capable Ranger ever and the only midsize pickup Built Ford Tough. Ford has engineered each aspect of the all-new Ranger to meet the uncompromising demands of its adventure-craving customers, including its frame, suspension, powertrains, connectivity, and advanced driver assist software. The Ford brand sold more than 1 million pickups around the world in 2022 and part of that sales success comes from Ranger. In the last decade Ranger sales have increased 112 percent globally, with over 86,000 sold so far this year. The previous generation 2023 Ranger was recently recognized by Kelley Blue Book® for having the lowest five-year total cost of ownership in the midsize pickup truck segment when accounting for insurance, maintenance costs, fuel costs, and depreciation. To meet the evolving needs of its adventure-seeking North American customers, the all-new 2024 Ford Ranger now offers more towing technology than ever in a Ranger, convenient storage features, plus an available 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6* for added power. Ranger Ready The foundation of Ranger backcountry readiness is durability and reliability. To ensure the all-new Ford Ranger is Built Ford Tough, it’s been tested with the equivalent of more than 4.9 million customer miles prior to launch – from broken road surfaces in Australia, to harsh hauling, brutal towing and hot testing in America, and cold testing in New Zealand. In designing the backbone of Ranger, Ford engineers improved the truck’s fully boxed high-strength steel frame, with the wheelbase and track both stretched about two inches to provide more bed space and improved stability while remaining easy to navigate on trails. The rear shocks and shock mounts have also been moved outboard of the frame rails for improved ride and control. All versions of the Ranger also benefit off-road from improved ground clearance and better approach and departure angles. From day trips to multi-day journeys, the all-new Ranger is ready to bring gear to wherever the next adventure lies, with a maximum available towing capacity of 7,500 pounds and maximum available payload capacity of 1,805 pounds††. To power these adventures, the proven 2.3-liter EcoBoost continues as the standard engine, developing 270 horsepower and 310 lb.-ft. of torque†††, and Ranger will offer the available 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6* shared with F-150® and Bronco®, which produces 315 horsepower and 400 lb.-ft. of torque††† to provide customers more power when towing, passing, and off-roading. All Rangers come with a standard class-exclusive** 10-speed automatic SelectShift® transmission and an available electronic shift-on-the-fly 4x4 system built for on-demand off-road and low traction capability. More Ranger, More Ready The all-new Ranger introduces more clever storage and useful features for owners, like an available wireless charger‡ for mobile devices, a large center console storage bin, big door pockets designed for quick access to frequently used tools and other items, and an available second, upper glovebox to store even more gear. Ranger also has improved second-row storage with under-seat rear cargo bins optimized to make it easy to stash stuff. New fold-flat rear seatbacks help with loading and moving large objects, from coolers to large screen TVs, plus there’s room behind the seats to keep tools and other equipment. The new interior features upgraded materials and textures, improved fit and finish, and more purposeful technology. The experience starts with a standard 8-inch digital instrument cluster or available full-screen 12.4-inch cluster and is complemented by a standard 10.1-inch or best-in-clas Devices can be easily charged with two USB ports in the cab and an available wireless charg s** available 12-inch center touchscreen with Ford’s SYNC®4A system, which puts smart and connected features at your fingertips. Ranger includes a standard embedded 4G LTE modem and the convenience of features built into FordPass® Connect‡‡. With just a touch, drivers can access dedicated screens for drive modes, off-road data, navigation, music, and other vehicle controls. The center screen is also linked to the available 360-degree camera to help make parking a breeze or to assist when negotiating particularly tricky terrain while out exploring. Physical buttons and knobs below the screen simplify controlling commonly accessed features like climate control and radio volume. e pad‡. Ranger also gets better over time with over-the-air updates adding new features and capabilities to enhance the customer experience. At night to help set up a campsite with ease, Ranger now has available Zone Lighting that can be controlled through the in-vehicle touchscreen or FordPass® App‡‡‡, plus available bed lighting helps owners find their gear in dark conditions. Driving on a trail can be difficult. Driving to it doesn’t have to be. There are 31 standard or available driver assist features for Ranger, the most available driver assist features in its class.** These include BLIS® with Trailer Coverage§ to help alert drivers to vehicles in blind spots and Adaptive Cruise Control with Stop and Go§. A new, intuitive-to-use short-throw E-shifter on Lariat 4x4 enables Ranger to offer driver assist features such as available class-exclusive** Active Park Assist 2.0§, which is a fully-automated system to help customers parallel and perpendicular park in tight spots and class-exclusive** Pro Trailer Backup Assist§ and Trailer Reverse Guidance§, which uses cameras to show angles and monitor conditions surrounding the truck, and provides real-time coaching on how to maneuver the trailer. The bed gets an available Integrated Box Side Step behind the rear tires, big enough to fit both feet, creating a strong, stable way to access everything in the cargo box. There’s also an available 400-Watt power inverter with an outlet in the bed to make running a grill for tailgating, an air compressor for filling tires, or other tools for the trail a snap. The redesigned tailgate also doubles as a workbench with an integrated ruler and clamp pockets. Two inches of added track width have benefits in the bed as well, with more than four feet of width between the wheel wells, which makes loading bulky cargo like an ATV a lot easier. Bolder Design The design of Ranger is defined by unique grilles and front-end appearances for XL, XLT and Lariat models. A signature Ford C-clamp headlight treatment and strong shoulder lines down the sides incorporate bolder wheel arches and give Ranger a sure-footed look. The rear end mirrors the front with C-clamp taillamps, and everybody will know what you’re driving with “RANGER” stamped across the tailgate. The 2024 Ford Ranger will be proudly assembled at the Michigan Assembly Plant in Wayne, Michigan§§, with orders beginning later this month, and availability beginning late summer, with late fall availability for the 2.7-liter EcoBoost engine. Visit Ford.com/RangerReady for more details. *2.7-liter engine available late fall 2023 **Class is Midsize Pickups. ***Based on S&P Global Mobility New Registrations data CYE 2022, which is compiled from government and other sources and captures 95 percent of global new vehicle volumes in more than 80 countries as reported in April 2023. Pickup body group as defined by S&P Global Mobility. †Class is Midsize Pickups. Based on S&P Global Mobility Sales data. ††Max towing and payload on Ranger® Crew Cab 4x2 with 2.3L EcoBoost® engine and available Trailer Tow Package. When properly equipped. Towing and payload are independent attributes and may not be achieved simultaneously. When properly equipped. Max payload varies and is based on accessories and vehicle configuration. See label on doorjamb for carrying capacity of a specific vehicle. †††When properly equipped. Horsepower and torque and independent attributes and may not be achieved simultaneously. ‡Available QI wireless charging may not be compatible with all phones. ‡‡FordPass Connect (optional on select vehicles), the FordPass App; and complimentary Connected Service are required for remote features (see FordPass Terms for details). Connected service and features depend on compatible AT&T network availability. Evolving technology/cellular networks/vehicle capability may limit functionality and prevent operation of connected features. Connected service excludes Wi-Fi hotspot. ‡‡‡FordPass® App, compatible with select smartphone platforms, is available via a download. Message and data rates may apply. §Driver-assist features are supplemental and do not replace the driver’s attention, judgment and need to control the vehicle. It does not replace safe driving. See Owner’s Manual for details and limitations. §§Assembled in the USA with domestic and foreign parts.

That's not really fair. It's the opposite. The T6 Ranger, 31xx GMs, and newer Frontiers copied Toyota. Someone pointed this out to me and it makes plenty sense. This might be a Ford forum, but looking at this neutrally, Toyota hasn't really copied anyone. Well, outside of the 2022 Tundra TRD pro Raptor lights and spelling out TOYOTA (again) in the grille for the PROs since 2014. The styling is all Toyota, when you look at the previous generation Tacomas and check out what their contemporaries looked like. The GMT800 aesthetic and Isuzu related Gen 1 Colorado against 2000s Toyota trucks, tells it all.

Here it is. Like 2013 Atlas, Toyota showed the real thing in 2021.

It's definitely this Wednesday the 10th, like I said earlier in this thread, as did @HotRunrGuy. They totally waited until Toyota's plans became clear LOL. https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2023/05/06/ford-ranger-unveiled-churchill-downs-kentucky-derby/70190859007/ https://youtu.be/wMjbaYXVor4

It's official, it does debut May 10th like I shared days ago, along with @HotRunrGuy. I've created this thread to organize post-reveal discussion and keep separate from spy shots and speculation. If not necessary, fine with me. https://youtu.be/wMjbaYXVor4

Yeah, it was pretty obvious that the US T6 got something a bit more special, in between Global T6 and T6 Mk2. Makes sense overall, but you'd be surprised at what some people can miss and be indifferent to details concerning their own work. I've met assembly workers like that before and it's too bad. Like you said, supply chain, so redundant to increase production in the face of competition on both ends. Hopefully August line off still happens.

How insightful! I can believe that Mark Fields and Ford's negotiations with UAW from 2015-16, couldn't justify another Bronco reboot business case, unless there was enough volume to justify it up, with Ranger. I remember that there were 2-3 business cases between 1998 and 2010, for a Bronco reboot and one of them called U260 under Jacques Nasser, which was related to a redesigned 2003/04 Ranger SuperCrew for Gen 5, on display at a December 2000 consumer clinic for the 2004 F-150 in Houston, Texas. The 1997 UN93 Expedition was briefly designated as a "1997 Bronco" during development, similar to how the original UN46 Explorer was called Bronco III up until 1988-89. By 1995, UN93 was allegedly renamed Expedition, before reveal in spring '96. It had a 2-door fullsize prototype built in 1992-93, similar to the GMT400 Blazer. Second Bronco attempt was the U260, based on proto-T6 frame replacement for the Yuma/Yuma+IFS Rangers sold from 1982 to 2012. I wish someone in this group could chime in on the proposed P273 5th generation replacement for the 4th generation Ranger built in Twin Cities. Ford did develop a 5th Gen Ranger in circa Y2K called P273 and showed it in Houston at that December 2000 consumer clinic. Like the U260 Bronco based on it, they abandoned it by 2001-02, because according to my insider not enough ROI. The next Bronco attempt, was in the mid-late 2000s. I think the 2004 concept hinted at something by the late 2000s on the new basis, developed in skunk works circa 2006 for T6. It got rejected again by Bill and now Alan M, because of the dire straits Ford was in and the decision to even move the Explorer to unibody D4. Anyway, it's both a relief and a sad thing, to know it's primarily just the supply chain. Hopefully this gets better by Job 2 or MY 2025. P703N isn't due for replacement for quite some years, so there's time to play catch-up.

Some guys have made the argument, the previous and current gen Tacomas and Hiluxes have probably inspired GM, Nissan, and Ford. It kinda makes sense, when you compare the last gen Frontier (2004-21), first gen Colorado/Canyon, and pre-T6 Rangers to the 2005-23 Tacomas and 2005-24 Hiluxes, against the later the 2nd & 3rd generation Colorado, T6 Rangers, and 2022 Frontier. I prefer a Ranger, but Ford copied Toyota when designing the T6 Ranger in the 2000s. The newer 6G gets away from that, 5G was derivative.

I dunno, but I do hope Ford gave that consideration or executes it by MY 2025, just to match Toyota. Plus, one hopes it could spread the costs of MTI550.

That's what I was referring to as well. Although I don't know why someone would expect Build & Price by then. If I did something like taking discussion off-topic, you just know how it would go...?‍♂️ I'm concerned Ford brought this vehicle back and it might not perform competitively in sales volume, against stiff competition, no thanks to a very exhausted assembly plant and supply chain. I would think what @HotRunrGuy and I both mentioned, constitutes "something new", versus somewhat off topic discussion about who knows what regarding wages and the like. Which I consider sensitive subject matter for someone like you, as a Ford employee. There's a Ranger public reveal most likely sometime in the next 20 or so days. It's also the next pickup truck launching this year, regardless of the Tacoma debuting soon. Ford is obviously struggling to juggle meeting both Ranger and Bronco demand all at once, while all of their new midsize competitors have nothing holding them back, once Job 1 came/comes around. If Ford really wanted to commit, the new Ranger could've matched Toyota much closer in volume after the outgoing stopgap generation balances out and 6G Job 1 starts. The idea to build the Ranger in the same capacity-constrained and shift limited assembly plant with popular Bronco, has backed them into a thankless corner. I get hindsight is 20/20 and back when MAP was chosen circa 2015, they were uncertain about future demand. MAP needs expansion, but I doubt the business case for doing so would happen and personally, I'm not informed on the real estate limits of MAP. I'm not happy about the issues at MAP, as the workers can only do so much, if there are not enough shifts nor capacity to meet demand for both vehicles, in these growing segments. Seems like as a business, if the F-Series from other plants covers all the bases at Ford, the Ranger is just red-headed stepchild window dressing like the Toyota Tundra, but instead fighting for factory space. This truck (built in Minnesota) was the best selling nameplate in its segment through December 2004, only to be topped by the newer midsize Tacoma ending December 2005 and Toyota kept the mantle 17 years running, since Ford didn't care until too late. There's a reason why the Ranger did well back then and it's too bad that Ford for this redesign, still might have not taken comprehensive measures to make it a class leading product in Ford's own home market, from base XL to Raptor. Based on what I'm hearing, there will be limited choice (excluding Raptor) like the current truck, but I hope for much better.

This is only offered on the 2.0L EcoBlue, not even the 2.3L in the Middle East, so it's not looking good.

They're saying May 10th for something related to dealer reveal?

Oh... definitely not and I'm sure you know ?. I meant that Ranger production on August 7th, precedes 2024 Tacoma SOP.

Uh oh, not sure what that means. Guys in the know about the Tacoma, have been saying it begins production in December. My cousin claims he's seen a Nov 1 start up date and I pointed out to him recently, Donlen saying the 2024 Taco begins production September 1, 2023, after the most recent update this month. Usually ramp up takes 8ish weeks he says, so I figure they won't be available until end of the year, outta Mexico. I understand your perspective Chris, I feel like Ford is just being stubborn, in not wanting to commit to building anymore plants for ICE vehicles. I know the MAP switch from Global C to BOF T6 was devised under Mark Fields back in '14-15, because hindsight is 20/20, but MAP is struggling to keep up and obviously TPTB didn't anticipate the need for more capacity. The F-150 has two plants, so how did they expect to manage two different popular nameplates in just one factory long term? Didn't think it out clearly. By nameplate alone, I think Ranger will do well, if long bed is produced in addition to short bed versions and added Raptor model, for halo effect. GM might sell more combined, per nameplate probably not in 2024. I think for 2023 (Jan1 -Dec 31), it will be a contentious battle between Toyota and GM, since GM's been producing em since January. Ford and Toyota, might be hurt by model changeover side effects. Tacoma sales are dropping a bit, from obvious knowledge a redesign is coming and Ford even worse with the outgoing Ranger. I'll have to ask, he just confirmed that it's May when I asked. He comments on other stuff online, but nothing Ford related like he used to. I think it is late May. All Terrain Nation has the date I think, but won't spill either.

It's confirmed, even without Ford Authority. My cousin at Ford, who's also married to someone in T6 development, knows the exact date and he confirmed this for me. He also told me this morning, that the 2024 Tacoma will be revealed on Tuesday, May 16. The two market leaders might end up being both the Ranger and Tacoma, if the turbo V6 factor gets em in the Ford showroom, yet drive out with a lower trim. Ford will beat the Tacoma to market though, because it enters production before on August 7th (ideally). Note: Anyone who replied to me weeks ago, I'm sorry, but I've had big issues logging in and losing posts of mine, so I gave up pretty much due to being busy. Don't like being rude and looking like I ignore anybody.

Now, that makes sense, somewhat. I figure you saw the delay to August 7th Job 1? It's marginally understandable, but I'm quite bothered by how USA will barely get a truck they've been seeing in media for elsewhere for 2 years (November 2021 reveal). It was one thing with 3rd MCA to P375 in 2018-19 finally arriving in USA, which didn't look much different than the first MCA (ROW) in late 2015. But I had expected Ford would reduce this gap for the next generation. What I see here is, Ford wanted to get enough years in tooling out of the P375N from late 2018 to early 2023, partly I imagine to give space to launch the Bronco at MAP, which was originally targeted for MY2021 in late 2020. As well as get some ROI to convert MAP and capital investment for revised T6 for P375N. What has happened now as usual is unforeseen delays creeping in and taking P703N launch targets hostage. So, now they are struggling to keep up with the delay causes, without letting it spiral out of control too much. If they did not get too comfortable in the first place during planning and try to squeeze money out of an eleventh hour decision in 2015 to bring over the P375(N), more than 7 years after initial launch, by stretching it's lifecycle longer than ROW, there would be more room to deal with these delays. Like let's say, targeting USDM Ranger P703N to be 6 months behind global Ranger P703 in late 2022 versus nearly 18 months now. It can be done and has been done before between global markets, it's not unheard of. At this rate, the truck will not be in North American showrooms until early 2024, if another delay happens again. I find that inexcusable, considering when the truck was actually designed. I already see some public complaints regarding datedness, even though I love the new truck and consider it an improvement. Ford set out to design this truck back in 2016 and 99% finished that design work in late 2018-early 2019, yet find it more than acceptable to launch that same exact design effort in its domestic market, almost 5 years after pencils down? It's not being done right for USDM at least on that front. It's bad enough that the Maverick was designed parallel to this 4-5 years ago, yet you get ignoramuses calling this an "ugly oversized Maverick" or other Maverick related criticisms. Almost similar to Bronco Sport (late 2020) vs Bronco Summer 2021 dilemma. What many of those ignorant trolls don't realize, is that the inspiration was the 1982 Ranger for both the P758 Maverick and P703 Ranger. To them anyway, it doesn't matter. All they see is a new Ranger-- especially many current generation owners--which looks like a "cheaper, soft" Maverick. When Ford, due to the pandemic, delayed the P702 F-150 a few months, it at worst elapsed 37 months since styling completion in 2017 and showrooms launch in December 2020. Ford aimed to be lean with that, but ended up standard lead time cycles. For the 2024 Ranger, it's almost 60 months now. That's highly irregular and worse than 1980s lead times. Ford basically tried to keep the current Ranger running longer than it needs to and now that they need to get to market sooner, they can't help all these delays. Toyota made the same mistake with the Tacoma and some other models, by keeping them on the vine too long.

LOL, that's ridiculous. Toyota is already about to announce the 2024 Tacoma and are finishing up testing already. It's already nearing pilot phases, according to insiders. There's a limit to benchmarking when lead times factor in and Ford already got hurt when the P703 was first leaked in early 2019. Most of everything there is to know about this truck, is already out there. TT builds are probably the issue.

Thanks a million, haven't logged in for a bit, until I saw emails from BOF on your correspondence from a month ago. Sorry. Really helpful advice here, thanks. As for the Ranger, I am bit puzzled as to why Ford is keeping this so quiet. Almost every other Ford is revealed 6 months before launch at least, such as the F-150 in June 2020 against December 2020 launch. Mustang will be 9 months from reveal to launch. I don't see any risk of competitor benchmarking being an issue, so a bit puzzled by this.

Understandable Hugh, neither do I. Just was trying to help! They're saying April 5th reveal for this one, while maybe this month for the Ranger?

It's actually April 17th, which I first mentioned here back on January 29th . I wouldn't necessarily trust Carscoops as a primary source, considering that they copied it from Ranger 6G. The day they discover this forum, will be very problematic, in terms of their infamous plagiarism.

I had said that above to Hugh, but I guess he doesn't read posts very well. I know for a fact, it's all new. No reason it wouldn't be. I don't know why anyone keeps assuming Toyota would do another facelift/refresh at this point, especially after 20 years since the last big redo. (The info is out there.) Considering how they keep hyping their new modular frame. It's just willfully dismissing info already out there, to ask the same tired questions. It's just as ridiculous as some snark, questioning or implying the F-150 still uses the same frame from 2004, which is obviously partisan crap from fanatics of truck competition that forget design signatures being retained doesn't mean it's carryover mechanically. The new 2022 Tundra design was meant to be a bigger present day Tacoma and the 2024 Tacoma is an evolution of the current Tacoma. That's what Kevin Hunter, their USA design director mentioned somewhere. The current Tacoma sells great, but last Tundra didn't. Easier to bridge them closer together, by making the next Tundra a bigger and more extreme version of the outgoing Tacoma, while having the next Tacoma stick to its successful roots by keeping it familiar. Too many "enthusiasts"/observers seem to be stuck on just one brand and don't try to keep themselves objective and informed on other brands, yet have the gall to authoritatively question the competition, like I keep seeing everywhere. I look forward to the new 2024 Ranger and also what Toyota is bringing out for 2024. I also like the new GM cousins, but I think Ford and Toyota will rule the roost for the next few years. Nissan's Frontier is nice, but nothing special. Jeep is just niche and forget about a Ram Dakota that ain't EV. I don't have favorites, even if my spending dollars go to Ford. Toyota doesn't offer a real half ton Raptor competitor nor a NA V8 RWD manual coupe below $60k. If they did, I might buy from them. But pigs will fly before that ever happens. Toyota has used the same frame, updated only once in the 2010s, since 2004. New truck is totally redone, but I'm sure you already specifically know that since you follow everything out there like I do.

I used to trust them religiously, because they have a credible record to some degree. However, there are variations, such as I don't like when they put in filler chassis codes, which often turnout to be different at launch. Plus it leans too speculative at times, against internal developments. Aside from that, I've followed them for years, thankful now that some other enthusiasts on other forums are now aware of Auto Forecast Solutions too. Anyone willing to actually find out what's happening, should look for these and get ahead of future developments, but take it with a grain of salt. Thanks for the updated information, as I saw an early version of this chart which was a bit different from last spring. I think I was the first person to mention the next generation F-150s online 2 years ago, thanks to my source working on both P736 and P800 in some capacity in Dearborn and AP.