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You will forever be a legend among Ford enthusiasts. Thank you for your many years long contribution to us all.

Again, I'm speaking purely off what 'I think I know' from reading forums here -- but I don't think most regular sales staff have access to those numbers. I'd just call and ask for the SM/GM and talk to them. They can be hard to get ahold of but generally, again just from what I've gleaned off forums, it seems like the vast majority are happy to provide information and good to work with. The issue you are experiencing, which at least seems to me to just be a sales person who doesn't know better, is far and away the most common. Most all of those seem to me to end up resolved when the buyer talks to the SM/GM. They can be tough to get ahold of sometimes, for sure, though.

Don't know anything about it -- but were I to guess I'd put my money on it have a lot of rhyme and reason that involves a whole lot of things that don't mix well with supply shortages or the concept of direct-to-consumer (if you'd even really call it that) retail ordering. I'd bet they have a lot going on trying to make it better -- but I'd also bet the supply chains will get better before they're able to implement anything. Hope I'm wrong there.

Right, I am fully aware of what corporate IT departments look like. You're nitpicking language here for some reason? I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make with that. Credentialing is typically what I see people do when they are trying to argue something that isn't based in fact -- which is very odd to me as I'm not trying to argue with you on it but you keep going back to this. This last part is where you are really missing my point. Which is fine, I'm not claiming to be the best at communicating things. There is a very distinct difference, in a legal sense, between being wrong -- and willfully breaching a contract, intentionally misleading, committing fraud, whatever language you want to use. This is where the invoice with a new price comes in and the dealer gets to play 'wrong'. This is where the use the 'truth to tell a lie' comment was going. Because they have this document from Ford, it opens the door for the dealers to play dumb. Those two things are treated very differently.

To my best understanding, a regular sales person does not typically have access to or understanding of A/X/D plan pricing or the forms to submit them. (Particularly with regards to price protection/exceptions) It sounds to me like you need to talk to the Sales Manager / General Manager and get clarification. Doesn't sound like he's denying your price protection, he's just saying they're not going to float the cash to you to reduce the price -- you'll have to pay up front and get a refund from Ford on it. Just me, personally, I'd be very happy with that arrangement.

I'm not without understanding of the nature of large companies and how they move, as I said it's a big ship and those are slow to turn, I absolutely get it. As for the remedy, that's the part I'm saying Ford could do a better job on. Yes, there are legal remedies. There is no circumstance under which a buyer will win enforcing a buyers order. Yes, you'll win in court -- but ultimately you lose. Which, I totally get was your point is that's on the lawmakers and states, and you are right, it is. I was merely stating Ford could do better in this regard to prevent the dealers from having this 'truth to tell a lie' approach to take advantage of buyers. I'm not trying to make a Ford is the big bad wolf argument, I'm merely stating Ford is in a position they could prevent some of these big issues by making changes on their end. As you said, they'd have to modify existing processes to implement such a change. Like most big corporations -- they created a dozen new processes on the back-end. I say that jestingly, but there's probably a lot of truth to it.

I'm not sure I'd agree with that. Is the legal, technical, onus on the dealer and the state laws that regulate them? Sure. Could Ford just send the right invoice price to begin with and solve the root of most problems on the front end? Yes. It is within that perspective that I see many of the most common dealer issues as being on Ford.

Unfortunately the environment exists where a dealer can basically force you out of an order and you have little recourse even if it is your name on the order. Really, that's on Ford. They've got a lot of issues with this process to clean up. Sadly, when a ship is that big -- it generally takes a while to steer.

Last I'd heard, of course just from forum chatter, was they were going to build through late fall. That talk has been pretty consistent for quite some time so I tend to think that's their intent. My best guess is they are going to try to build all the retail orders. That could change real quick if 22MY parts became an issue whereas they thought 23MY would not be, I'd imagine.

Good Friday! Would like to check shipping status of my order, please. VIN#: 1FT8W3BT3NED85994 Greatly appreciated!

I'd imagine those are the prices from when the 22MY was announced. "Journalist's" are very rarely known to actually care to be accurate in their 'reporting'.

So, I'm a creeper -- and creepers creep. Looks like in November your dealer set you to a 10. You work there. I'd talk to my GM and ask them to contact your zone rep and set it to a priority code of 01. At this point they would be on a razors edge to build it and have it delivered under the 1 year mark. I've seen people run right up on the edge of that year mark but I haven't seen anyone go over yet. Seems like most people who start running up on that are able to get some individual attention to get their vehicles built. Sucks that you had to move 5WP, though, that's a big one. Maybe your employer will allow you to use their equipment to do the install so it doesn't cost you $2k to get it in there after delivery. :\

5254 here, was built 04/13. Quoting another user from another forum on their "4/4 build week thread" on 04/11 in the AM. Seeing that makes me wonder if you're on some kind of hold. Seems like people with bed covers and/or wheel well liners are the ones getting held up the most.

I've seen this said on various forums probably two dozen times or more over the last year or so. Seems to be more common lately and it seems like it has a lot to do with people talking to sales staff instead of the dealership GM. Anyone other than the GM tells you they are not going to honor your sales agreement, just say thanks for your time, hang up, and call back and talk to the GM. Now, if the GM tells you they won't honor their agreement -- then open a ticket with Ford Marketing. I've heard a few people say they had success via this method. Agree with your friend, though, it wouldn't be worth it to take them to court over. If if you win, you lose.

Bummer. My WS updated today, was created on the 5th, first showed up on the 6th, assuming today was my build day. (Don't want to nag my dealer so I haven't asked)