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  1. le engineer

    2022 Super Duty Orders & Discussion

    Yes. They want to know what makes you spend money… at the dealer. Your dealer is thrilled that stock trucks are showing up. They can mark those up as high as the market will bare and turn them in a week. As to why your truck hasn’t shipped, even Ford may not know the answer.
  2. le engineer

    2022 Super Duty Orders & Discussion

    Ford disagrees strongly enough to pay dealers a profit margin just to avoid interacting with end users like you and me. The same can be said for most OEMs. Engineers design for the end user. Finance and sourcing lean on us to take cost out, even if that means accepting a trade off. From the moment that design is finalized, everything is focused on the dealers.
  3. le engineer

    Tire Size on OEM Rims

    Factory wheels usually aren’t meant to accommodate tires that wide. Have you considered 295/70R18 tires? You’ll get better performance/fuel economy and mount them on factory wheels without any safety concerns.
  4. le engineer

    2022 Super Duty Orders & Discussion

    Ford invested the money to build these trucks. They’ll want them gone to get them off the books.
  5. le engineer

    2023 Super Duty Orders & Discussion

    Sent you a PM
  6. le engineer

    2022 Super Duty Orders & Discussion

    According to a quick Google search, Ford sells more trucks in a month than Volvo sells across their entire lineup all year. When your volume is low, handling PITA requests like this gets easier. Those were examples, not the complete list. I think you may be underestimating scope of work to reconfigure each plant to support this option, and overestimating the number of customers who would actually follow through with it. As Kirby said, this isn’t a simple key exchange. It’s a logistical nightmare.
  7. le engineer

    $5000 to fix Adaptive Steering Fault??

    Sometimes the manufacturer will approve a full or partial goodwill repair. It’s not a right or an expectation, but it never hurts to ask. I’ve actually sat in on a meeting with the warranty department at a big OEM and heard the finance liaison bitch about too many goodwill approvals. In his words, we were stuffing a cannon with money and firing it out into the street.
  8. le engineer

    2022 Super Duty Orders & Discussion

    Someone posted their PDI checklist here or on the other forum not too long ago. It’s a little more than pulling off protective plastic. Taking the truck out of transport mode, detailing, repairing anything damaged in transit, etc.
  9. le engineer

    2022 Super Duty Orders & Discussion

    Did they receive 10x the allocations? I haven’t seen a high-margin dealer go out of business in the last two years regardless. We’re in agreement that the solution is somewhere in the middle. When every small fruit stand has a more profitable landscaping supply & repair shop attached to it, selling fruit a few percentage points under cost won’t put them out of business. In addition to that landscaping shop, they still have their margin on everything else the customer buys with their fruit. This is moot if Walmart suppliers stop sending them fruit by March anyway. Buyers are paying MSRP right now because the only alternatives are a horrifically overpriced used car or nothing at all. Buyers were fine paying under invoice before dealers had the excuse of low inventory to charge sticker+. I doubt anyone wants to pay sticker when invoice is on the table.
  10. le engineer

    2022 Super Duty Orders & Discussion

    I’m not sure what you’re getting at with legality. Unless you’re suggesting what happened with incremental allocations in 2022 is illegal, what he wants is fine. I agree it’s best not to monopolize sales. You’re absolutely right that allowing a monopoly invites the opportunity for the few surviving stores to jack up the price. The solution is somewhere in the middle. Allow incremental allocations to a certain extent without totally suffocating low volume stores. I still want to see legitimate competitive pressure on the high-margin grinders. That manipulative culture needs to fuck right off. The only path to success should be competitive pricing and good service.
  11. le engineer

    Diverting Chips to Other Vehicles

    I get the feeling this is similar to when you order something online, they print a shipping label (letting the carrier know it’s coming) and proudly email you that your order has “shipped” even if it never left the facility. The system then pushes your delivery estimate a predetermined amount of time whenever it’s clear they blew the previous one.
  12. le engineer

    2022 Super Duty Orders & Discussion

    The discount is for a truck you wait to receive. If it’s not your order and it’s sitting on the lot, they want to make their margin on that one.
  13. le engineer

    2022 Super Duty Orders & Discussion

    Editing this now that I have time to type up a proper response. You’re right that it wasn’t $10k. I went back and pulled my paperwork. The difference is $7k. I’ll gladly wait to save that kind of money. If allocations slow things down, that’s a consequence I’m willing to face. I’d buy from Granger at the same price as my shithead local dealer for the simple pleasure of not dealing with their nonsense. While you’re right that high volume stores like Granger upset the allocation balance, they do something far more important. They redefine how dealers can operate. When you contact sales, you aren’t pounded for personal information and harassed by half a dozen people around the clock. You’re greeted with a no-bullshit approach. They open with ultra competitive pricing, give you straight answers, and move you through the order process as quickly as possible. With such a high closing rate and so little drama on the customer front, they don’t need to carry a large sales staff. Their entire front of house is the size of a used car lot office. In the time it takes a traditional high gross salesperson to jerk a customer around to squeeze that extra profit, they could have cut the crap and closed several happy customers instead. These people manage to make what should be a happy, exciting experience and turn it into pure misery. Fuck ‘em. Let stores like Granger steal their allocations with an incremental system. Let customers discover how painless the car buying process can be when they shop somewhere else. Let the deceitful high pressure salesmen starve. Force other dealers to get competitive or get replaced. We don’t need to tolerate the old school grinders anymore.
  14. le engineer

    2022 Super Duty Orders & Discussion

    The difference between MSRP and my final price with Granger is $10k. I’d rather have $10k in my bank account and not concern myself with what someone else paid. Would you feel differently?
  15. le engineer

    2022 Super Duty Orders & Discussion

    There’s the entire PDI process. The factory has no interest in doing that. It’s a common misconception that we’re Ford’s customers. We’re not. We’re the end users. Ford’s customers are the dealers. The dealer buys the car from Ford and re-sells it to us. Corporate wants nothing to do with us. They provide dealers with a profit margin to take away the headache of interacting with you and me. The dealer is their buffer. Ever notice how you never get to interact with the warranty claim department directly? Order from the factory directly? Get technical support directly? All of those processes are pushed off onto the dealer. It would be wise to consider that eliminating the dealer for new car sales would inevitably result in everyone paying MSRP with nothing but an offshore call center or bewildered dealer to depend on. Costs go up, quality of service goes down.