Bruno1453 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 I am looking the the AWD SEL Fusion as a possible new car for my family. I live in Colorado so not only does the altitude take away power, but the AWD system does also. I was really (I mean REALLY) hoping to see the 3.5 liter in the 2008 model, but according to stuff I have read on this site (specifically the ordering guide for the 2008) it will NOT be happening. But I am reading about the "3L PIP", which sounds like the 3.0 liter will be modifided to 240 HP. The ordering guide does not talk about this change. Is this something that has happened for 2008? Should I just get the 2007 AWD SEL? Any idea on the price increases for 2008? My local retailer won't tell me a thing. Thanks for any help you guys can provide! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 I am looking the the AWD SEL Fusion as a possible new car for my family. I live in Colorado so not only does the altitude take away power, but the AWD system does also. I was really (I mean REALLY) hoping to see the 3.5 liter in the 2008 model, but according to stuff I have read on this site (specifically the ordering guide for the 2008) it will NOT be happening. But I am reading about the "3L PIP", which sounds like the 3.0 liter will be modifided to 240 HP. The ordering guide does not talk about this change. Is this something that has happened for 2008? Should I just get the 2007 AWD SEL? Any idea on the price increases for 2008? My local retailer won't tell me a thing. Thanks for any help you guys can provide! Why not jump to the AWD MKZ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconman13 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 I think the PIP 3.0 will be a 2009 MY intro, but igor would know better than I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Why not jump to the AWD MKZ? Or an AWD 2008 Taurus? It has the 3.5L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno1453 Posted May 15, 2007 Author Share Posted May 15, 2007 Why not jump to the AWD MKZ? More to do with looks than anything. There is also the higher price that puts it out of the range I am looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno1453 Posted May 15, 2007 Author Share Posted May 15, 2007 Or an AWD 2008 Taurus? It has the 3.5L. I would have to drive it to see. Plus it might be more than I want to spend. I really like the sporty feel of the Fusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 I believe the PIP 3.0 is due in the Fusion for '08, and mid-cycle in the '08 Escape also if I recall correctly. It's the turbo 4 cyl that won't show up until '09. Milan is also rumored to be getting the 3.5 for '08, so you may want to look there also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno1453 Posted May 15, 2007 Author Share Posted May 15, 2007 Thanks for the info NickF1011! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconman13 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Bruno If mileage is important to you, check the numbers. Although I have no first hand knowledge, there are some posts on the forum that lead me to believe the 3.5 AWD gets significantly less MPG than the 3.0 AWD. And the AWD in general seems to be quite a bit more thirsty than the FWD, Like I said, I dont know first hand, just my impression from reading some of the posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 BrunoIf mileage is important to you, check the numbers. Although I have no first hand knowledge, there are some posts on the forum that lead me to believe the 3.5 AWD gets significantly less MPG than the 3.0 AWD. And the AWD in general seems to be quite a bit more thirsty than the FWD, Like I said, I dont know first hand, just my impression from reading some of the posts If by significantly you mean 1-2 MPG less, you may be right. It's kind of comparing apples to oranges though. The MKZ is a bit heavier a car than the Fusion due to all the extra goodies and sound deadening. The same powertrain in the Fusion would likely get about the same milage that the 3.0 does. Main difference will probably be the inclination to lay on the "go" pedal a bit more with the 3.5. Weeeeeee!! :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconman13 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 You are probably right, I just remember reading that one poster that is getting like 13 MPG in around town driving in his MKZ and I definately couldent handle that. But, like I said, its all hear-say (is that the right word?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 (edited) Why not jump to the AWD MKZ? akirby, I can give you a $10,000 answer right there. Bruno -> Prices might actually be in the 2008 Fusion model guide posted by ice-capades. Search for what that user has posted, or maybe someone can put up a link if they remember where it is within this forum. How about an AWD Taurus for consideration? Edited May 15, 2007 by Roadrunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 You are probably right, I just remember reading that one poster that is getting like 13 MPG in around town driving in his MKZ and I definately couldent handle that.But, like I said, its all hear-say (is that the right word?) Wow - because I'm getting 22-24 around town. Lighter traffic, yeah, but still pretty good. Right now I'm getting 27.8 mpg(!) because I drive at night and use cruise control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 You are probably right, I just remember reading that one poster that is getting like 13 MPG in around town driving in his MKZ and I definately couldent handle that.But, like I said, its all hear-say (is that the right word?) Yeesh, my Cobra doesn't even get fuel economy that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meelaan Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 If by significantly you mean 1-2 MPG less, you may be right. It's kind of comparing apples to oranges though. The MKZ is a bit heavier a car than the Fusion due to all the extra goodies and sound deadening. The same powertrain in the Fusion would likely get about the same milage that the 3.0 does. Main difference will probably be the inclination to lay on the "go" pedal a bit more with the 3.5. Weeeeeee!! :happy feet: Wow. Here we go again with the "MKZ gets a little worse milage because it's heavier" argument. B.S. The MKZ is only around 160 lbs. heavier. There is no logical "weight hurts it's MPG" argument. The 3.5L would definitely NOT get the same MPG as the current 3.0 if available in the Fusion. That's ridiculous. If the 3.5L gets 19MPG/City in the MKZ V6 AWD, how on earth can anyone assume it will get any better in a car that's only 160lbs lighter? BTW: No where is the actual curb weight published for the SEL AWD V6 Fusion. Me thinks Ford is scared to admit the obese numbers and how close they are to the $10,000 pricier MKZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Wow. Here we go again with the "MKZ gets a little worse milage because it's heavier" argument. B.S. The MKZ is only around 160 lbs. heavier. There is no logical "weight hurts it's MPG" argument. The 3.5L would definitely NOT get the same MPG as the current 3.0 if available in the Fusion. That's ridiculous. If the 3.5L gets 19MPG/City in the MKZ V6 AWD, how on earth can anyone assume it will get any better in a car that's only 160lbs lighter? BTW: No where is the actual curb weight published for the SEL AWD V6 Fusion. Me thinks Ford is scared to admit the obese numbers and how close they are to the $10,000 pricier MKZ. Did you read to the end of what I wrote? Published numbers are only 1-2 MPG different. I attributed most of the difference in real world to people simply having a heavier foot with the more powerful engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno1453 Posted May 15, 2007 Author Share Posted May 15, 2007 Since two people have mentioned the new Taurus (Ford 500), has anyone actually driven one? And is the new Taurus really any different than the Five Hundred? I definatley like the "go" pedal, but I also like a car that can handle the curves. If the Mazdaspeed 6 was slightly bigger in the back seat, that car would be perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 akirby, I can give you a $10,000 answer right there. Bruno -> Prices might actually be in the 2008 Fusion model guide posted by ice-capades. Search for what that user has posted, or maybe someone can put up a link if they remember where it is within this forum. How about an AWD Taurus for consideration? The MKZ is not $10K more expensive than a SEL V6 Fusion. Maybe $5K but you do get more features. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Since two people have mentioned the new Taurus (Ford 500), has anyone actually driven one? And is the new Taurus really any different than the Five Hundred? I definatley like the "go" pedal, but I also like a car that can handle the curves. If the Mazdaspeed 6 was slightly bigger in the back seat, that car would be perfect! Apparently the entire front subframe was redesigned for the Taurus and put on isolation bushings. Along with it they more than likely tweaked the suspension settings a bit. Apparently it cut down a lot on NVH. Not really sure of any other major changes (aside from the engine of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno1453 Posted May 16, 2007 Author Share Posted May 16, 2007 Apparently the entire front subframe was redesigned for the Taurus and put on isolation bushings. Along with it they more than likely tweaked the suspension settings a bit. Apparently it cut down a lot on NVH. Not really sure of any other major changes (aside from the engine of course). Thanks for all the information guys! I just found this site the other day and it has been a great resource! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meelaan Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 The MKZ is not $10K more expensive than a SEL V6 Fusion. Maybe $5K but you do get more features. Fusion SEL V6 - $22,735 Lincoln MKZ FWD - $29,950 Difference - $7,215 Conclusion: The Fusion SEL V6 is indeed around $10k more expensive than the MKZ. So, what unique "features" do you get for that extra $7,215? 0.5 liters of engine displacement 42 horsepower 44 ft/lbs. of torque THX II stereo Speed-sensitive wipers HID headlamps LED taillamps Keyless entry Garage door opener Two additional cupholders Six additional speakers Traction Control Hmm... Doesn't really seem like that great of a deal... :reading: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Conclusion: The Fusion SEL V6 is indeed around $10k more expensive than the MKZ. Hmmm....I'm not sure where you learned math but $7,000 doesn't equal $10,000. If any thing, it splits the difference between your two numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Fusion SEL V6 - $22,735Lincoln MKZ FWD - $29,950 Difference - $7,215 Conclusion: The Fusion SEL V6 is indeed around $10k more expensive than the MKZ. So, what unique "features" do you get for that extra $7,215? 0.5 liters of engine displacement 42 horsepower 44 ft/lbs. of torque THX II stereo Speed-sensitive wipers HID headlamps LED taillamps Keyless entry Garage door opener Two additional cupholders Six additional speakers Traction Control Hmm... Doesn't really seem like that great of a deal... :reading: You left out: MKZ interior that puts the Fusion's to absolute frickin' shame Increased sound deadening Longer warranty Lincoln-Mercury dealer service which includes complimentary loaners if needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shllshck Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 (edited) You left out:MKZ interior that puts the Fusion's to absolute frickin' shame Increased sound deadening Longer warranty Lincoln-Mercury dealer service which includes complimentary loaners if needed The base SEL v6 Fusion also does not come with: ABS Brakes standard Power Seats with Memory (Standard on MKZ and not available on the Fusion) Dual Zone Climate Control (Standard on MKZ and not available on the Fusion) Genuine Wood (Standard on MKZ and not available on the Fusion) Genuine Wood Accents on steering wheel (Standard on MKZ and not available on the Fusion) There's also heated and cooled seats (Optional on MKZ not available on the Fusion) One correction on your list though, the MKZ has optional HID lights not standard. Edited May 16, 2007 by shllshck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 The base SEL v6 Fusion also does not come with:ABS Brakes standard Power Seats with Memory (Standard on MKZ and not available on the Fusion) Dual Zone Climate Control (Standard on MKZ and not available on the Fusion) Genuine Wood (Standard on MKZ and not available on the Fusion) Genuine Wood Accents on steering wheel (Standard on MKZ and not available on the Fusion) There's also heated and cooled seats (Optional on MKZ not available on the Fusion) One correction on your list though, the MKZ has optional HID lights not standard. Exactly - you can't compare a BASE Fusion SEL V6 with a MKZ. Comparably equipped the price difference is closer to $5K. I researched this before I bought my 06 SEL V6 Fusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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