Iraq

[mrballsonya]

With an attitude like that there would be no wars and you would be speaking a non-English language.

With all your fears and unrest you should stay in the kitchen and make some cookies.

Who's attitude are you referring to?

 

As Arnold said..... "I'll be Back" albeit in 16 hours.

 

Peace bitches.

Edited November 9, 2007 by mrballsonya

[cal50]

A typical non-response from a chickenhawk.

 

Let's test your honesty cal: are you still a Ford employee?

 

If not, you're violating the terms outlined by the boards' moderators.

 

 

You have made your position quite clear and no ones response would change your mind or viewpoint.

It's a nice touch by crybabies like you to quiet opposing views by a technicality. Like the democrats saying they "support the troop" yet pitched votes from service members in the last election (Gore) because they were a day late getting in. Your cut from the same sorry ass material.

( I am a ford employee)

Stick to being a war protester and a source of entertainment for forum readers.

[ebritt]

You neocons are such hyperbolists.

 

You attacked, invaded, and are occupying two sovereign countries. Would you be OK with the Chinese military occupying Detroit?

 

You killed hundreds of thousands of mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons, & daughters (including one of Hussein's grandsons). Maimed & wounded many thousands more.

 

You destroyed homes, towns, villages, water treatment plants, and power plants with your bombs & missiles (and you continue to bomb & kill).

 

Would it be alright with you if the Russian air force bombed Sterling Heights?

 

And you top that by calling poor, destitute Americans in New Orleans, in the aftermath of a hurricane, "dumbasses?"

 

You are pure evil.

and you're a pussy.

[ebritt]

Told to hate us by who??

 

You don't think our intervention into there countries and governments pisses them off???

 

You know its funny. you keep telling me that they are pissed off about the 50 and 70, but they keep telling me that they hate me because Im not a muslim.

I havent heard one yet tell me about a military or political situation from years past.

I love how you can speak for them and correct them when they make mistakes about their own motives.

[unionj]

Those who follow said doctrine below are the ones we have to deal with. What you never see or hear on video are those who live in fear of these people. Many people in Iraq and Afghanistan like the USA and what we are trying to do for them but fear of having ones family murdered and raped in front of you prevents the truth from being spoken on camera. Many more would volunteer and take positions in the new order trying to be established if it were not for the same said fear or being blown up waiting in line to apply.

 

Do not be so blind as to ignore that this is not the first Jihad in history.

i) The First Major Wave of Jihad: the Arabs, 622-750 AD

ii) The Second Major Wave of Jihad: the Turks, 1071-1683 AD

 

8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.

 

9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

 

9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).

 

 

http://jihadwatch.org/islam101/

[napfirst]

Win what? What is there to Win? If the War was about 9/11, than why did we invade Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia? If the war was about WMD's, and none were ever found... then why are we still over there? If the war was to liberate Iraq from Saddam Hussein, then we already "won" and our troops should've been home years ago.

 

The only thing our troops are fighting now is something that has no face and no home. We will never be able to win a war against terrorism using force. Blowing up terrorists, sounds great on paper... but all it does is create a new Martyr and aid in the recruitment of future terrorists. The only way to defeat terrorism is to understand why they hate us and try to adjust foreign policy and actions accordingly.

 

I personally believe that If this war was truly about terrorism, we would've had much better luck trying to infiltrate terrorist cells using highly trained agents and covert ops rather than occupying a whole Arabic country. The troops being killed now are almost exclusively being killed because of the occupation of a foreign country .

 

If we happened to be invaded by Canada and Mexico Tomorrow... under the guise of "freeing us from the evil George Bush Regime", don't you think we'd by putting together some I.E.D.'s in our garage?

 

Not everyone in Iraq hated Saddam, just like in the U.S. not everyone hates G.W. (I don't know why). Our troops are dying because we occupied a heavily Islamic country and now we're trying to force Democracy down the throats of a country that resides in a region that doesn't want it. To them we are the Terrorists i.e. (someone that is trying to change everything they believe in). What makes us right? Why are we trying to change a culture that has existed for 1000's of years?

You're kidding me right? A political football... that sounds like a statement pulled verbatim from a FOX NEWS broadcast, Yeah whatever.

 

When I say "I support our troops" I mean.... now that our troops are put in this precarious position, I believe that we should try to get them out of Iraq as soon as possible. But since thats not happening... they should be equipped with the latest and best defensive devices, the best living conditions, the best weapons and the best care and benefits when they return home safely or wounded.

The last time I checked, I had a lot more "freedom" before the patriot act was enacted.

 

Please name one way that your insinuated "sacrifices" a.k.a. the occupation of Iraq have benefited the American people?

You're right I don't sleep well at night, but it's not because of the reasons you state. I don't sleep well because, I believe the moronic decisions made by Bush and his advisor's in their 7 years of office have affected the quality of my life and will continue to adversely affect the quality of life of my children for years to come.

 

I didn't just arbitrarily decide to hate our president. He made it easy to do with his inept leadership, omnipotent attitude, and terrible decision making.

quite a dissertation there no balls.......but I've heard all the blame America and hate Bush BS before so spare us your long list of excuses as to why you don't support our brave troops...because you don't....it looks like you copies and pasted right from moveon.org......typical left-wing dribble....

[Trimdingman]

Told to hate us by who??

 

You don't think our intervention into there countries and governments pisses them off???

 

 

Who, exactly is pissed off? When American soldiers went into Baghdad and pulled down a statue of their leader, the people were extatic and were helping them do it. It was almost like when the Allies liberated Hitler's concentration camps. There is a difference between occupation and liberation.

 

There is no question that good is being done. Are you against it because you hate Democracy, or because you are selfish and do not want to help others?

Edited November 9, 2007 by Trimdingman

[napfirst]

Who, exactly is pissed off? When American soldiers went into Baghdad and pulled down a statue of their leader, the people were extatic and were helping them do it. It was almost like when the Allies liberated Hitler's concentration camps. There is a difference between occupation and liberation.

 

There is no question that good is being done. Are you against it because you hate Democracy, or because you are selfish and do not want to help others?

they don't care if we are hated or not..that's just the hate Bush rhetoric....if it wasn't the war it would be cost of bannas at Kroger or the speed limit on I-94...

[methos]

Win what? What is there to Win? If the War was about 9/11, than why did we invade Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia? If the war was about WMD's, and none were ever found... then why are we still over there? If the war was to liberate Iraq from Saddam Hussein, then we already "won" and our troops should've been home years ago.

 

The only thing our troops are fighting now is something that has no face and no home. We will never be able to win a war against terrorism using force. Blowing up terrorists, sounds great on paper... but all it does is create a new Martyr and aid in the recruitment of future terrorists. The only way to defeat terrorism is to understand why they hate us and try to adjust foreign policy and actions accordingly.

 

I personally believe that If this war was truly about terrorism, we would've had much better luck trying to infiltrate terrorist cells using highly trained agents and covert ops rather than occupying a whole Arabic country. The troops being killed now are almost exclusively being killed because of the occupation of a foreign country .

 

If we happened to be invaded by Canada and Mexico Tomorrow... under the guise of "freeing us from the evil George Bush Regime", don't you think we'd by putting together some I.E.D.'s in our garage?

 

Not everyone in Iraq hated Saddam, just like in the U.S. not everyone hates G.W. (I don't know why). Our troops are dying because we occupied a heavily Islamic country and now we're trying to force Democracy down the throats of a country that resides in a region that doesn't want it. To them we are the Terrorists i.e. (someone that is trying to change everything they believe in). What makes us right? Why are we trying to change a culture that has existed for 1000's of years?

You're kidding me right? A political football... that sounds like a statement pulled verbatim from a FOX NEWS broadcast, Yeah whatever.

 

When I say "I support our troops" I mean.... now that our troops are put in this precarious position, I believe that we should try to get them out of Iraq as soon as possible. But since thats not happening... they should be equipped with the latest and best defensive devices, the best living conditions, the best weapons and the best care and benefits when they return home safely or wounded.

The last time I checked, I had a lot more "freedom" before the patriot act was enacted.

 

Please name one way that your insinuated "sacrifices" a.k.a. the occupation of Iraq have benefited the American people?

You're right I don't sleep well at night, but it's not because of the reasons you state. I don't sleep well because, I believe the moronic decisions made by Bush and his advisor's in their 7 years of office have affected the quality of my life and will continue to adversely affect the quality of life of my children for years to come.

 

I didn't just arbitrarily decide to hate our president. He made it easy to do with his inept leadership, omnipotent attitude, and terrible decision making.

 

:bowdown:

Edited November 9, 2007 by methos

[methos]

Those who follow said doctrine below are the ones we have to deal with. What you never see or hear on video are those who live in fear of these people. Many people in Iraq and Afghanistan like the USA and what we are trying to do for them but fear of having ones family murdered and raped in front of you prevents the truth from being spoken on camera. Many more would volunteer and take positions in the new order trying to be established if it were not for the same said fear or being blown up waiting in line to apply.

 

Do not be so blind as to ignore that this is not the first Jihad in history.

i) The First Major Wave of Jihad: the Arabs, 622-750 AD

ii) The Second Major Wave of Jihad: the Turks, 1071-1683 AD

 

8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.

 

9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

 

9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).

http://jihadwatch.org/islam101/

 

 

Are you really this fucking stupid? How many jihadist were in Iraq? Lets save some time, NONE!!!!

[Trimdingman]

Iraqis are glad that Saddam is gone. They are glad that they were allowed to have elections. They are glad that Americans are there. Eventually, terrorism will subside as it has after every war. Jesse James was sort of a terrorist who came out of the Civil War. Some terrorists are good, such as the French Resistance after the Nazi takeover of France. Iraq is beaten. It just takes some people longer to realize it.

[cal50]

Are you really this fucking stupid? How many jihadist were in Iraq? Lets save some time, NONE!!!!

 

 

Nope,there all catholics and nice people that honor diversity by suicide bombings,brutal executions and a call to arms for the death of all Americans there and abroad. It's clear you dislike the war but be honest enough to admit there is a large segment of terrorists there that do not like us and it's just not because we are in the neighborhood.

I am sure there is a segment of the Iraqi people that want the same things we all do. There is another group that wants to run the country the way they want be it a dictatorship or tribal rule.

 

Your statement is as funny as Iran's president saying there are no gays in Iran. NONE!!!!

Yea,right.

[unionj]

Are you really this fucking stupid? How many jihadist were in Iraq? Lets save some time, NONE!!!!

They are now which is better than here!

[fmccap]

There is another group that wants to run the country the way they want be it a dictatorship or tribal rule.

Just like there is another country that wants it run there way????

[fmccap]

They are now which is better than here!

Do you seriously believe that if we were not there or left that they would all be over here attacking us????

[Trimdingman]

Do you seriously believe that if we were not there or left that they would all be over here attacking us????

 

 

In 20 years, yes. If all of the peaceniks had their way, we would disarm and just leave those people alone. They could form a superpower from Pakistan to Israel. (Oh, they would let them have Israel just like they let Hitler have Czechoslovakia.) With their oil profits, they could build a war machine the likes of which has never been seen. They would probably just nuke the whole West. That would be okay with you, right; because we deserve it.

[Pumpmaster]

Now here's a moral and courageous American: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/11/09/5113/

 

Congradulations to Lt. Watada for his win against the christo-fascist military dictatorship!

[fmccap]

Those who follow said doctrine below are the ones we have to deal with. What you never see or hear on video are those who live in fear of these people. Many people in Iraq and Afghanistan like the USA and what we are trying to do for them but fear of having ones family murdered and raped in front of you prevents the truth from being spoken on camera. Many more would volunteer and take positions in the new order trying to be established if it were not for the same said fear or being blown up waiting in line to apply.

 

Do not be so blind as to ignore that this is not the first Jihad in history.

i) The First Major Wave of Jihad: the Arabs, 622-750 AD

ii) The Second Major Wave of Jihad: the Turks, 1071-1683 AD

 

8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.

 

9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

 

9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).

http://jihadwatch.org/islam101/

What the hell is this crap???

[Pumpmaster]

Iraqis are glad that Saddam is gone. They are glad that they were allowed to have elections. They are glad that Americans are there. Eventually, terrorism will subside as it has after every war. Jesse James was sort of a terrorist who came out of the Civil War. Some terrorists are good, such as the French Resistance after the Nazi takeover of France. Iraq is beaten. It just takes some people longer to realize it.

 

You are at least as deluded as george bush.

 

Here's what you & your ilk have done to Iraq: http://www.progressive.org/node/5383/print

 

Of course, you'll deny it.

[unionj]

Do you seriously believe that if we were not there or left that they would all be over here attacking us????

We may not see eye to eye on "many" topics but having our people who get paid to fight fighting all these (Worldwide Islamic) assholes in Iraq is better than what they may be doing if Iraq Had not happened. No matter what excuse was used or what anyone thinks Iraq is all about the fact that they are preoccupied over there is a good one. Afghanistan proved to be a difficult terrain and dangerous just like rooting out the Japs on Iwo Jima was. So luring them out into open terrain so our guys could utilize the technology that gives us our superiority was a smart move which the prey fell for.

If it makes you feel better I think Bush is an idiot but then again how dumb do you have to be to lose to an idiot? I do not care for 99% of what our country has to offer for leaders but I will say this, when Bush said we will fight and hunt terrorists down no matter how when or where he meant it and I am glad.

Having witnessed terrorist attacks both IRA and later Islamo phucknutz I have no respect for them or anyone or country who hides or conspires with them.

[unionj]

Just to add in advance because it seems to always be thrown in with this subject by certain individuals, Why can't they catch Bin Laden?

Eric Rudolph evaded authorities for over 5 years in the North Carolina woods, our own backyard! Hope that eases the sleepless nights.

[fmccap]

Just to add in advance because it seems to always be thrown in with this subject by certain individuals, Why can't they catch Bin Laden?

Eric Rudolph evaded authorities for over 5 years in the North Carolina woods, our own backyard! Hope that eases the sleepless nights.

I sleep very well, no sleepless nights here.

[sprinter]

The war will probably be a mute point in just a few months.

 

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2616.shtml

 

The American empire is falling with the dollar

By Paul Craig Roberts

Online Journal Guest Writer

 

 

Nov 8, 2007, 01:00

 

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The US dollar is still officially the world's reserve currency, but it cannot purchase the services of Brazilian super model Gisele Bundchen. Gisele required the $30 million she earned during the first half of this year to be paid in euros.

 

Gisele is not alone in her forecast of the dollar's fate. The First Post (UK) reports that Jim Rogers, a former partner of billionaire George Soros, is selling his home and all possessions in order to convert all his wealth into Chinese yuan.

 

Meanwhile, American economists continue to preach that offshoring is good for the US economy and that Bush's war spending is keeping the economy going. The practitioners of supply and demand have yet to figure out that the dollar's supply is sinking the dollar's price and along with it American power.

 

The macho super patriots who support the Bush regime still haven't caught on that US superpower status rests on the dollar being the reserve currency, not on a military unable to occupy Baghdad. If the dollar were not the world currency, the US would have to earn enough foreign currencies to pay for its 737 oversees bases, an impossibility considering America's $800 billion trade deficit.

 

When the dollar ceases to be the reserve currency, foreigners will cease to finance the US trade and budget deficits, and the American Empire along with its wars will disappear overnight. Perhaps Bush will be able to get a World Bank loan, or maybe one from the "Chavez bank," to bring the troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

Clearly, America's leader and America's currency are poorly regarded. Is there a solution?

 

Perhaps the answer lies in those 737 overseas bases. If those bases were brought home and shared among the 50 states, each state would gain 15 new military bases.

 

Imagine what this would mean: The end of the housing slump. A reduction in the trade deficit. And the end of the war on terror.

 

Who would dare attack a country with 15 new military bases in every state in addition to the existing ones? Wherever a terrorist turned, he would find himself surrounded by soldiers.

 

All of the dollars currently spent abroad to support 737 overseas bases would be spent at home. Income for foreigners would become income for Americans, and the trade deficit would shrink.

 

The impact of the 737 military base payrolls on the US economy would end the housing crisis and bring back the 140,000 highly paid financial services jobs, the loss of which this year has cost the US $42 billion in consumer income. Foreclosures and bankruptcies would plummet.

 

American generals used to say that the wars Bush started in the Middle East would take 10 years to win. On Oct. 31, General John Abizaid, former commander of US forces in the Middle East, put paid to that optimistic forecast. Speaking at Carnegie Mellon University, Gen. Abizaid said it would be 50 years before US troops can leave the Middle East.

 

There is no possibility of the US remaining in the Middle East for a half century. The dollar and US power are already on their last legs, unbeknownst to Democratic leaders Pelosi and Reid who are preparing yet another blank check for Bush's latest request for $200 billion in supplementary war funding.

 

There isn't any money with which to fund Bush's lost war. It will have to be borrowed from China.

 

The Romans brought on their own demise, but it took them centuries. Bush has finished America in a mere seven years.

 

Even as Gisele throws off the dollar's hegemony, Brazil, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Columbia are declaring independence from the IMF and World Bank, instruments of US financial hegemony, by creating their own development bank, thus bringing to an end US suzerainty over South America.

 

An empire that has lost its backyard is finished.

 

The borrowing from China will come to a halt soon. They are getting ready to dump their dollars they currently own. Maybe we can get some board members to buy government bonds to keep the war going. How many gallons of fuel does an M1 tank need?

 

A tank will need approximately 300 gallons every eight hours; this will vary depending on mission, terrain, and weather. A single tank takes 10 minutes to refuel. Refueling and rearming of a tank platoon--four tanks--is approximately 30 minutes under ideal conditions.

0.6 miles per gallon.

60 gallons per hour when traveling cross-country

30+ gallons per hour while operating at a tactical ideal

10 gallons basic idle

A mine plow will increase the fuel consummation rate of a tank by 25 percent

[unionj]

M1 tank fuel usage! Go for a decent # like a Wasp class Amphib or a Burke class Destroyer or even a Ticonderoga class Cruiser, Tank lol.

 

Naval surface-combatant ships consume large

quantities of fuel. For example, four LM2500

gas-turbine engines power a DDG 51 Arleigh Burkeclass,

guided-missile destroyer (Figure 1). The

LM2500 is a derivative of the engines in the Boeing

747 and other commercial aircraft. Depending on

propulsion-plant configuration and speed, these four

turbines can collectively consume from 600 to 7,000

gallons per hour (GPH) of distillate marine fuel

(DFM) (United States Navy 2005a). That means that

the destroyer’s fuel consumption while at sea is

between 100,000 and 1,000,000 gallons per week.

 

 

 

How about how much oil it takes for your bottle of water? http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0205-01.htm

Edited November 9, 2007 by unionj

[Pumpmaster]

Looks like oppostion to BushCo.'s bloodbath is growing: http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007...r_at_high/8796/