Iraq

[methos]

"Pump, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You pumpsister? You femcap? The US Military has a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the terrorist, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what they know. That terrorists’ death, while tragic, saves lives. And their existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at the plant, you want the military on that wall, and you need them on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that the US Military provides and then questions the manner in which they provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post.

 

They have such a great responsibility only because we keep invading other countries and threating to invade so many others. As far as the downsizing of the military. I have news for you, we spent more money on defense than the rest of the world combined. For cripes sake, how much do we have to spend to keep you right wing nut bags happy?

 

As far as terrorists, AGAIN, there was no terrorists in Iraq, period. It's great your quoting an actor, because that's where you guy's live in some fantasy world.

[napfirst]

The bravery you folks seem to display is impressive. Moreover, you support the war yet you wont fight in it. It's no wonder they made the (support the war effort) ribbons Yellow!

I'd go but they wouldn't let me...served my time......so I support it here...doing things like volunteering at the vets' hospital.....I've visted Walter Reed Army Hospital 2 times...give money to The Wounded Warrior Project....and help out at the local VFW chapter... what have done lately besides undermining them ???? you are like pump...you are quick to tell someone else to go and serve...

[cal50]

The bravery you folks seem to display is impressive. Moreover, you support the war yet you wont fight in it. It's no wonder they made the (support the war effort) ribbons Yellow!

 

 

 

You whine like a child up when people dis-agree with you.

At least your consistent.

 

You and pumper should hook-up and move to a liberal mecca where you can get married.

Your a perfect couple.

[methos]

I'd go but they wouldn't let me...served my time......so I support it here...doing things like volunteering at the vets' hospital.....I've visted Walter Reed Army Hospital 2 times...give money to The Wounded Warrior Project....and help out at the local VFW chapter... what have done lately besides undermining them ???? you are like pump...you are quick to tell someone else to go and serve...

 

 

I do support the soldiers. I support them by writing my legislators to END THIS WAR NOW!! Bring the soldiers home and send over all the right wing nut bags in their stead. If we are going to fight a useless war, why not let the ones that pushed for it, fight it -on their dime.

[Pumpmaster]

This picture is an insult to ALL veterans: http://www.jwharrison.com/blog/2007/11/12/...y-veterans-day/

 

The two servicemembers in this pic are the way they are because of the smiling evildoer who's holding the T-shirt.

 

Note the soldier who's seated is in a wheelchair. Still, Shrub is SMILING. Like all you neocons, he has no capacity for human suffering.

[Pumpmaster]

I do support the soldiers. I support them by writing my legislators to END THIS WAR NOW!! Bring the soldiers home and send over all the right wing nut bags in their stead. If we are going to fight a useless war, why not let the ones that pushed for it, fight it -on their dime.

 

Bada-boom!!

[napfirst]

I do support the soldiers. I support them by writing my legislators to END THIS WAR NOW!! Bring the soldiers home and send over all the right wing nut bags in their stead. If we are going to fight a useless war, why not let the ones that pushed for it, fight it -on their dime.

just what I thought...do as I say..not as I do...you're yellow!..like pump

[napfirst]

This picture is an insult to ALL veterans: http://www.jwharrison.com/blog/2007/11/12/...y-veterans-day/

 

The two servicemembers in this pic are the way they are because of the smiling evildoer who's holding the T-shirt.

 

Note the soldier who's seated is in a wheelchair. Still, Shrub is SMILING. Like all you neocons, he has no capacity for human suffering.

you're an atheist..don't tell me about human feeling...

[Pumpmaster]

you're an atheist..don't tell me about human feeling...

 

Again, you neocons are immune to: 1) human suffering, and 2) facts.

[fmccap]

People seem to forget that this world is definitely better off without Saddam. Who knows what would have happened by now if he was allowed to stay in power!

 

But you assholes on the left sure seem to forget how many people he murdered and tortured over his reign. And guess what... You left-wing scumbags want to keep saying traitorous and seditious statements?

Were you really that scared of him???

 

You seem to forget who helped him murder and torture those people. Where did he get the shit and who knew about it, we did.

[fmccap]

The US Military has a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom.

What is it????

[fmccap]

I'd go but they wouldn't let me...served my time

I'm sure they would take you, enlistments are getting real low(wonder why).

[fmccap]

All our fault no one else blah blah blah as you say. Yet you cannot fathom or accept that perhaps the DOD was so under financed and cut back for an 8 year period that it could have had no possible relation to the present day lack of facilities and or material.

 

For this to be the the supposed "crown jewel " military hospital, what did BushCo do for it in his 6 years he was over it????????? Obviously nothing!!!!

Soldiers Face Neglect, Frustration At Army's Top Medical Facility

Behind the door of Army Spec. Jeremy Duncan's room, part of the wall is torn and hangs in the air, weighted down with black mold. When the wounded combat engineer stands in his shower and looks up, he can see the bathtub on the floor above through a rotted hole. The entire building, constructed between the world wars, often smells like greasy carry-out. Signs of neglect are everywhere: mouse droppings, belly-up cockroaches, stained carpets, cheap mattresses.

[fmccap]

just what I thought...do as I say..not as I do...you're yellow!..like pump

Just like all you war mongerers. You guys go fight while we sit and eat popcorn.

[napfirst]

I'm sure they would take you, enlistments are getting real low(wonder why).

and you served when...I don't recall you telling me....Boy Scouts...Girl Scouts????......we need full disclosure if you are going to tell someone else they need to serve...

[Pumpmaster]

In addition to the U.S. military failure in Iraq, thugs like Blackwater make the situation even worse: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/world/mi...and&emc=rss

[unionj]

I served three years in the 3ACR when they were Texas.

 

Making allot of money are we? Ah, that explains allot, another war profiteer. It's no wonder you don't want it to end.

Do not twist the comments to suit your agenda. Many people are employed and earn an income either directly or indirectly due to the DOD.

[Pumpmaster]

According to the DoD, at least 3,863 Americans have died needlessly in Iraq since the start of the BushCo. bloodbath in 2003: http://icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx

 

At least 4 Americans were killed yesterday (11-13-07).

 

Also yesterday, at least 62 Iraqis were killed, and at least 40 wounded.

 

Shame on you neocon chickenhawks for what you've caused.

[fmccap]

and you served when...I don't recall you telling me....Boy Scouts...Girl Scouts????......we need full disclosure if you are going to tell someone else they need to serve...

You support it you fight. You don't need anything from me. You and your minority can keep up your fight.

[fmccap]

very freedom that the US Military provides and then questions the manner in which they provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post.

Perspective: Veterans arrested on veterans day.

Many times people say that the Veterans of the Armed forces are the people who have fought for our 'freedoms', and are the ones that we are to thank for being a ‘free’ country, and enjoying the ‘freedom of speech’ that we have today.

 

But now I would like you to ask yourself this, what happens when elderly Veterans are not afforded rights to freedom of speech, on veterans day of all days? Should we continue to live in ignorance, with the illusion, that we are a free people?Example:NaplastDodger

 

Or should we accept the painful fact, that we are less free than we once were, and begin to take the appropriate actions necessary in order to restore the liberty that the people of this country once knew.

[fmccap]

QUOTE(napfirst @ Nov 13 2007, 05:56 PM)

The US Military has a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom.

 

What is it????

 

Cmon NapLastDODGER, I want to hear your answer.

[methos]

you're an atheist..don't tell me about human feeling...

 

 

It cracks me up, it's always the religious nut-bags that are the most ardent war supporters. Is killing a few hundred thousand people some kind of thrill for you folks? Pray tell me what the Iraqis did to us? Didn't they have the largest Christian population outside of Israel in the Middle East? They were no threat, their Army and infrastructure was in shambles.

 

Think about it for a second, I know that is going to be hard for you, but we spent 10-20 billion dollars ensuring they were economically held back - so they didn't have the money to arm their military. Then right when their structure is about to implode, we race in to so as we can spend 2-3 trillion dollars rebuilding everything. In the meantime, our infrastructure is failing, the dollar is plummeting, and no one seems eager to keep loaning us money, and we BORROW allot, including the costs of the war itself. Am I missing something or has our leaders gone mad?

[fmccap]

Answer me this.

 

If you sign an agreement to pay x amount per month on a purchase and then say Phuck it what would happen?

What happens when a guys decides he no longer wants to be married because his wife has changed or vice versa?

 

If you signed on the dotted line and do not want to go then jail time is what you deserve.

Well if thats the case then Bushco should be fired, right??? He does work for the people right???

Supported By The Majority of Americans

Is being anti-war a fringe view in late 2007? Let's take a look at the polls .

 

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll

 

"In general, do you approve or disapprove of the job that George W. Bush is doing in handling the situation in Iraq?"

 

Disapprove - 68%

Approve - 28%

Not Sure - 5%

 

"When it comes to the war in Iraq, which of the following statements comes closer to your point of view? The most responsible thing we can do is find a way to withdraw most of our troops from Iraq by the beginning of 2009. The most responsible thing we can do is to remain in Iraq until the situation in the country is stable."

 

Withdraw most troops by 2009 - 55%

Remain until country stable - 40%

Unsure - 5%

 

ABC News/Washington Post Poll Nov. 1-5, 2007

 

"All in all, considering the costs to the United States versus the benefits to the United States, do you think the war with Iraq was worth fighting, or not?"

 

Not worth it - 63%

Worth it - 35%

Unsure - 2%

 

Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International Oct. 17-23, 2007

 

"Do you think the U.S. should keep military troops in Iraq until the situation has stabilized, or do you think the U.S. should bring its troops home as soon as possible?"

 

Bring home as soon as possible - 54%

Keep in Iraq until stabilized - 42%

Unsure - 4%

 

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Oct. 12-14

 

"Do you favor or oppose the U.S. war in Iraq?"

 

Oppose - 64%

Favor - 34%

Unsure - 2%

 

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Sept. 27-30, 2007

 

"Do you think the United States should keep its military forces in Iraq until civil order is restored there, even if that means continued U.S. military casualties; OR, do you think the United States should withdraw its military forces from Iraq in order to avoid further U.S. military casualties, even if that means civil order is not restored there?"

 

Withdraw forces - 54%

Keep forces - 43%

Unsure - 3%

 

Is this a fringe view? No - it's the majority view in America today, as every single poll attests to

[fmccap]

Think about it for a second, I know that is going to be hard for you,

Your asking the wrong person to do that. He will have to veer off subject or start name calling, or he might just wait for his people to open up his box and give him an answer. He has been Hannitized, there is no hope.

[unionj]

Look at all the death and destruction you cause making those evil death traps!

810791.pdf

 

Just about as stupid as blaming people on these boards for the deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan.