National Health Care

[mountaineerwv]

....aren't you afraid of violating one of the main tenets of your liberal philosophy....the seperation of church and state?......

 

No, liberals believe that they practice their beliefs in private, not in public. John Kerry and JFK and other Democrats are practicing their faiths, but they do not let those beliefs make their way into public policy.

 

Is that hard for you Conservatives to understand?

[mountaineerwv]

For the first 3 weeks of Oct....Fox news again spanked msnbc and cnn combined by 1,000,000 viewers...read'em and weep!

 

10/19/07 5p: 6p: 7p: 8p: 9p: 10p: 11p:

 

FNC BigStory: Hume: Shep: O’Reilly: H&C: Greta: O’Reilly:

143 201 257 238 248 253 218

 

CNN Blitzer: Dobbs: Blitzer: Honest: King: Cooper: Cooper:

197 229 190 172 283 136 150

 

MSNBC Hardball: Tucker: Hardball: Countdo.: Investig.: Investig.: Investig.:

110 58 113 263 186 251 325

 

 

 

Wow!!! Olbermann's 263 beats O'Lielly's 238 at the 8 PM slot!

Wow!!! MSNBC's Investigation 325 beats O'Lielly's 218 at 11 PM slot!

Wow!!! CNN's Larry King 283 beats H&C's 248 at 9 PM slot!

Wow!!! CNN's Wolf Blitzer 197 beats Big Story's 143 at 5 PM slot!

 

I'd say FNC is losing ground.

 

It doesn't pay to fool the American public. They are catching on to FNC's propaganda.

[napfirst]

The real numbers..hillbilly

10/19/07 5p: 6p: 7p: 8p: 9p: 10p: 11p:

 

FNC BigStory: Hume: Shep: O’Reilly: H&C: Greta: O’Reilly:

143 201 257 238 248 253 218

 

CNN Blitzer: Dobbs: Blitzer: Honest: King: Cooper: Cooper:

197 229 190 172 283 136 150

 

MSNBC Hardball: Tucker: Hardball: Countdo.: Investig.: Investig.: Investig.:

110 58 113 263 186 251 325

Wow!!! Olbermann's 263 beats O'Lielly's 238 at the 8 PM slot!

Wow!!! MSNBC's Investigation 325 beats O'Lielly's 218 at 11 PM slot!

Wow!!! CNN's Larry King 283 beats H&C's 248 at 9 PM slot!

Wow!!! CNN's Wolf Blitzer 197 beats Big Story's 143 at 5 PM slot!

 

I'd say FNC is losing ground.

 

It doesn't pay to fool the American public. They are catching on to FNC's propaganda.

Unlike you, I'll provide a source for my numbers....

[Trimdingman]

Are you saying that Liberals are not Christian? Are you saying that Liberals are not moral?

 

What exactly are you saying?

 

 

Two left wing ideologies: Liberalism and Christianity. That is why Liberals don't want anything to do with Christianity; too much competition. What I cannot understand is why many Conservatives will free themselves from Liberalism only to enslave themselves to Religion. They are both similar ideologies trying to run your life.

Edited October 24, 2007 by Trimdingman

[mountaineerwv]

Two left wing ideologies: Liberalism and Christianity. That is why Liberals don't want anything to do with Christianity; too much competition. What I cannot understand is why many Conservatives will free themselves from Liberalism only to enslave themselves to Religion. They are both similar ideologies trying to run your life.

 

So, in your world the following are all left wing ideologies:

 

1). Liberalism

2). Christianity

3). Socialism

4). Communism

5). Nazism

 

Is that right? Or did I miss one?

[napfirst]

This is why our friend hillbilly wants national health care.....

W.Va. Leads Nation in Pregnant Smokers

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — More than a fourth of pregnant women in West Virginia smoked last year, putting themselves and their babies at risk.

 

The state's 27.3 percent maternal smoking rate was the highest rate in the country and nearly triple the national average, according to a recent report from the state Department of Health and Human Resource's Health Statistics Center. The state's rate was up slightly over the previous year and has hovered around 25 percent the past 10 years.

 

McDowell County had the highest rate of pregnant smokers, at more than 42 percent, the report said. The lowest rate, 15.8 percent, was in Monongalia County.

 

All total, smoking mothers across the state gave birth to about 5,500 babies last year.

 

"West Virginia has a virtual sustained epidemic of maternal smoking during pregnancy," said Dan Christy, who directs the Health Statistics Center. "It isn't healthy, and it's endangering the baby."

 

Smoking during pregnancy increases the risk of low-birth weight and premature babies, and can lead to a host of illnesses, including heart disease, breathing difficulties and mental health problems.

 

National researchers suggest pregnant smokers are typically poor, less educated and have less access to health care. The state's study found that a lack of education played a major role in West Virginia's numbers.

Christy noted that some women at a recent focus group meeting said they smoked during pregnancy because they thought they would have easier deliveries if their babies were smaller.

 

The state study found that more than half of women who didn't graduate from high school smoked while pregnant. It also found that more than 40 percent of West Virginia women covered by government-funded Medicaid health insurance smoked during pregnancy.

 

Christy said it's obvious that existing programs to curb smoking among pregnant women are not working.

 

National research released last month indicated the "quit for your baby" message is too simplistic an approach for many women. It also suggested that many pregnant women who smoke may also suffer from depression, which makes it even more difficult to kick the habit.

 

A committee of state health advocates recently issued a list of recommendations that include increasing the state excise tax on tobacco products and expanding the state tobacco "Quitline," which offers free smoking-cessation services to all pregnant women.

 

The committee also urged the state to increase funding for tobacco-prevention programs from $6 million a year to $14 million, as recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

 

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Information from: The Charleston Gazette, http://www.wvgazette.com

[Trimdingman]

So, in your world the following are all left wing ideologies:

 

1). Liberalism

2). Christianity

3). Socialism

4). Communism

5). Nazism

 

Is that right? Or did I miss one?

 

 

Fascism; Totalitarianism; all religions, especially in Muslim countries where religion is the law.

 

Can you imagine what would happen if Christianity was the law here? If you did not say that you believed that every word of the Bible is true, you could be convicted as a heretic and sentenced to be burned at the stake. Religion can be just as dangerous as Communism. Some people in the Middle East are living it.

 

On the right, people are mostly free to do what they want, including practice religion. There is no danger of religion becoming law. On the left, however, the government seeks to be all-powerful, and just like in Ancient Rome, they see religion as a threat. Religion is banned in communist countries. In the Middle East, religion is the law. They stone people to death and cut off limbs.

 

I don't believe in banning religion, just make sure that everyone realizes that it is just a fairytale.

Edited October 25, 2007 by Trimdingman

[Captain723]

Fascism; Totalitarianism; all religions, especially in Muslim countries where religion is the law.

 

Can you imagine what would happen if Christianity was the law here? If you did not say that you believed that every word of the Bible is true, you could be convicted as a heretic and sentenced to be burned at the stake. Religion can be just as dangerous as Communism. Some people in the Middle East are living it.

 

On the right, people are mostly free to do what they want, including practice religion. There is no danger of religion becoming law. On the left, however, the government seeks to be all-powerful, and just like in Ancient Rome, they see religion as a threat. Religion is banned in communist countries. In the Middle East, religion is the law. They stone people to death and cut off limbs.

 

I don't believe in banning religion, just make sure that everyone realizes that it is just a fairytale.

Wow...that is deep Trim!! Are you an athiest?

[fmccap]

Free Market Medicine

Freed from HMO and government bureaucracy, Dr. Berry can focus on medicine rather than billing. Operating on a cash basis lowers his overhead considerably, allowing him to charge much lower prices than other doctors. He often charges just $35 for routine maladies, which is not much more than one’s insurance co-pay in other offices. His affordable prices enable low-income patients to see him before minor problems become serious, and unlike most doctors, Dr. Berry sees patients the same day on a walk-in basis. Yet beyond his low prices and quick appointments, Dr. Berry provides patients with excellent medical care.

 

While many liberals talk endlessly about medical care for the poor, Dr. Berry actually helps uninsured people every day. His patients are largely low-income working people, who cannot afford health insurance but don’t necessarily qualify for state assistance. Some of his uninsured patients have been forced to visit hospital emergency rooms for non-emergency treatment because no doctor would see them. Others disliked the long waits and inferior treatment they endured at government clinics. For many of his patients, Dr. Berry’s clinic has been a godsend.

 

We should remember that HMOs did not arise because of free-market demand, but rather because of government mandates. The HMO Act of 1973 requires all but the smallest employers to offer their employees HMO coverage, and the tax code allows businesses- but not individuals- to deduct the cost of health insurance premiums. The result is the illogical coupling of employment and health insurance, which often leaves the unemployed without needed catastrophic coverage.

 

While many in Congress are happy to criticize HMOs today, the public never hears how the present system was imposed upon the American people by federal law. In fact, one very prominent Senator now attacking HMOs is on record in the 1970s lauding them. As usual, government intervention in the private market failed to deliver the promised benefits and caused unintended consequences, but Congress never blames itself for the problems created by bad laws. Instead, we are told more government- in the form of “universal coverage”- is the answer.

[Trimdingman]

Wow...that is deep Trim!! Are you an athiest?

 

 

I am the same as everyone else on the planet. I am an "I-don't-know-ist".

 

If there are higher powers, obviously that is how they want it, or else we would know.

Edited October 26, 2007 by Trimdingman

[Trimdingman]

From Alan Wolfe, Ph.D. from the University of PA, professor of political science and Director of the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life at Boston College:

Another difference between the two:

 

What happens to former Republicans who work in government? They use their former positions to join businesses and profit from their government experience, while those from Democratic administrations continue with some form of public service. Republicans seek federal power to help achieve their agenda and further their careers, not to help out the public.

 

Conservatives. YUCK.

 

 

The way that government can help the public would be by cutting taxes and reducing its size. There are also too many laws and regulations. They should be slashed. Taxes should be equal for everybody, not based on income. Government should not own anything. Maybe, in this day and age, with all information at everybody's fingertips, we don't need government anymore. Maybe the world could run itself.

 

As for your Dr. Wolfe, if he believes in religion, in my opinion, he can't be too smart.

Edited October 27, 2007 by Trimdingman

[napfirst]

hillary care

[Trimdingman]

hillary care

 

Free health care for illegal immigrants means free illegal votes for the Democrats. In Canada we have problems with social health care, but we have tight restrictions on who is eligible for it. Without that, we would be bankrupt by now. We still may go bankrupt if we do not go Communist first. Don't vote for social health care.

[napfirst]

Hold on to your wallet! here comes hillary care

[fmccap]

The Doctor Is Out

Health Care: Tens of thousands will leave Great Britain this year for medical treatment. Will reformers on this side of the Atlantic who want the U.S. to copy the British system even consider this?

 

The National Health Service is a taxpayer-funded system open to every British citizen. It has been such a resounding success since it was implemented in 1948 that Britons are now traveling in large numbers to get care elsewhere.

 

In a country with a population of 61 million, 70,000 will leave this year after 60,000 sought treatment abroad in 2006. By the end of the decade, this year's number will nearly triple, to 200,000.

[Trimdingman]

The problem with group health care, whether it be through the government or through insurance, is that it has no human face. An institution cannot look you in the eye. A human life's value goes beyond dollars and cents if it is yourself or a friend or family member. If a stranger dies, you do not even know. An institution will charge everybody what the market will bear, so it will be as if a stranger is a close relative. An institution has no feelings, and they do not care if someone says that they are unfeeling or heartless. If everyone were to pay directly for health care, they would not be paying anywhere near what is being paid now, because the person billing you would have to look you in the eye.

Edited November 1, 2007 by Trimdingman

[Imawhosure]

Where is PUDDY??????? Has he lost interest, or has he claimed he lost interest because he had his derriere handed to him!!!!!

[napfirst]

Where is PUDDY??????? Has he lost interest, or has he claimed he lost interest because he had his derriere handed to him!!!!!

I really think he was a paid blogger...didn't make much progress here so he moved on...

[mountaineerwv]

Where is PUDDY??????? Has he lost interest, or has he claimed he lost interest because he had his derriere handed to him!!!!!

 

For My Conservative Friends

[Trimdingman]

For My Conservative Friends

 

That is the most intelligent post that you have made yet. Why didn't you show your own ass? Afraid your brains would fall out?

[napfirst]

I'm submitting that liberals put party before the good of the people, no matter what the issue is!!!!!

confused anyone??

[lauraleez]

Free health care for illegal immigrants means free illegal votes for the Democrats. In Canada we have problems with social health care, but we have tight restrictions on who is eligible for it. Without that, we would be bankrupt by now. We still may go bankrupt if we do not go Communist first. Don't vote for social health care.

 

 

I have just spent alot of time going through the pages and pages of this crap from Trimdingman and I am disgusted that he has been the only Canadian you are getting information from on this topic. I agree there are problems in our health care, but NOTHING as bad as what he is saying. The government has, in the last 2 years instituted a Health Premium on our taxes, which, for me, only amounted to $750 for the year based on my income. It is alot lower for lower income people. I work at the same place as him and with an income of $80,000, I only paid $20,000 of that in INCOME TAXES. Not $40,000 as he says. I am living quite comfortably, able to go to the doctor anytime I want and leave without paying a cent extra. If I am in the emergency room, I do not pay a cent extra. If I am in the hospital, I do not pay a cent extra. It does not cost me thousands of dollars to have an operation. I do not have to worry about being kicked out of my hospital bed if I cant pay my bill. I do not have to worry about what is and what is not covered by an HMO. I can go to any hospital or doctor without being charged a cent or be denied care. I know that there are alot of you who don't like Michael Moore, because you think he is unpatriotic or some other reason, but his movie Sicko is spot on. I just watched it the other night and, if you haven't, I encourage you to. What you are listening to from Trimdingman is just one persons opinion. I, for one love not having to deal with paperwork and bills when I am sick or hurt. Or worrying about if I will be able to pay my mortgage after the bill comes in. I also love the fact that I am helping those less fortunate who couldn't afford health care otherwise.

[Trimdingman]

I have just spent alot of time going through the pages and pages of this crap from Trimdingman and I am disgusted that he has been the only Canadian you are getting information from on this topic. I agree there are problems in our health care, but NOTHING as bad as what he is saying. The government has, in the last 2 years instituted a Health Premium on our taxes, which, for me, only amounted to $750 for the year based on my income. It is alot lower for lower income people. I work at the same place as him and with an income of $80,000, I only paid $20,000 of that in INCOME TAXES. Not $40,000 as he says. I am living quite comfortably, able to go to the doctor anytime I want and leave without paying a cent extra. If I am in the emergency room, I do not pay a cent extra. If I am in the hospital, I do not pay a cent extra. It does not cost me thousands of dollars to have an operation. I do not have to worry about being kicked out of my hospital bed if I cant pay my bill. I do not have to worry about what is and what is not covered by an HMO. I can go to any hospital or doctor without being charged a cent or be denied care. I know that there are alot of you who don't like Michael Moore, because you think he is unpatriotic or some other reason, but his movie Sicko is spot on. I just watched it the other night and, if you haven't, I encourage you to. What you are listening to from Trimdingman is just one persons opinion. I, for one love not having to deal with paperwork and bills when I am sick or hurt. Or worrying about if I will be able to pay my mortgage after the bill comes in. I also love the fact that I am helping those less fortunate who couldn't afford health care otherwise.

 

My wife also works. Together, we paid $51,000 in income tax in 2007. I paid $33,000, and she paid $18,000. Half of all income tax collected goes to pay for national health care. That means that my family paid over $25,000. We also got dinged for the $750 each from the province. We are being grossly overcharged for health care services. That is not only the case for social health care. It is also the case for private health insurance. I am protesting against a gross injustice that is being committed against us all. We are being held for ransom and are being made to pay what the market will bear to save our lives. We have no alternative but to do business with this satanic monopoly. If fees were in proportion to work involved, we would be able to afford medical bills much the same as we afford automobile repairs. They know that they have us where they want us and they are making us pay. I refuse to do business with these crooks. They take my money, but they are not going to touch me while I still breathe.

 

You can fly to India, stay at a hotel, have your surgery, and fly back, and still save money compared to American (and Canadian) prices. That is what many of the rich who do not have insurance are doing these days. Of course the poor don't pay under social health care. That's how they get the votes. Don't expect a thank-you from them, though. Social health care is a Collectivist-Capitalist monster. It is Big Brother Godzilla. At the top, there is no price regulation. They take all that they can get, and give as little as possible. The less they give, the more money they take, using the excuse that they are under-funded. They are constantly crying poverty, and trying to prove it by giving inferior service. They even gouge people visiting their loved ones in the hospital by charging outrageous parking fees. Street parking within walking distance of the hospital is heavily enforced by the police. It is as though you are commiting a crime by being sick. When I get sick, I let my body heal itself. That way, I live longer.

 

Treating cancer is a very lucrative business. Early signs of cancer are very cloudy. Many people are being diagnosed and treated for cancer who do not have the disease. There was a big scandal over that in the news recently. Many people were also infected with AIDS and Hepatitis through blood transfusions several years ago. Medical foul-ups are the number one cause of death. That is even more true under socialized medicine where the prime motivator is collecting money, not finding cures.

Edited April 22, 2008 by Trimdingman