Agreement almost finalized

[cecilmeyer]

Yep, people like me need to be reduced. The world needs less of business owners like me who pay for our workers health care, give paid time off from day one, donate to charity, employ six people, none of whom make less than $12.00 an hour, provide SEP IRA plans, contribute matching funds to them, feed my whole office lunch everyday as a personal thank you, take the crew out to dinner when we hit sales targets, pay out cash bonuses for every big installation we complete within time and budget.

 

Wow, I had no idea I was such an asshole!

Wow $12.00 an hour?I just do not understand how you can be so generous and still stay in business.I think you are someone who uses other people as long as it benefits you.Please do us all a favor and quit patting yourself on the back for providing shit pay jobs that someone will never be able to purchase a home or send their kids to college on.And please do tell just how many tax breaks you receive to keep your overly generous business in operation,tax breaks that are paid for by so called overpaid autoworkers.Just how much money do you make?Please tell us and let us judge whether you are overpaid.

[Hec]

Yep, people like me need to be reduced. The world needs less of business owners like me who pay for our workers health care, give paid time off from day one, donate to charity, employ six people, none of whom make less than $12.00 an hour, provide SEP IRA plans, contribute matching funds to them, feed my whole office lunch everyday as a personal thank you, take the crew out to dinner when we hit sales targets, pay out cash bonuses for every big installation we complete within time and budget.

 

Wow, I had no idea I was such an asshole!

 

Wow you employ 6 whole people and you know everything about business? And buy them lunch when they sit pretty? I hope they unionize. You're laughable to say the least.

And since we don't know each other that well, Ill just call you Mr. Asshole.

[Furious1Auto]

Wow you employ 6 whole people and you know everything about business? And buy them lunch when they sit pretty? I hope they unionize. You're laughable to say the least.

And since we don't know each other that well, Ill just call you Mr. Asshole.

Sorry Hec I had to steal you avatar, These low life elite business men make me want to :slap:

[mrballsonya]

Is it your contention that every factory worker, and/or union person should be compensated nearly as much as the UAW members?

 

Yes and no. No I don't think every factory worker should automatically make $25+ an hour. I think the Union and Company need to adapt some form of merit based and performance based incentives into the pay package. Why should some mindless, lazy, unreliable worker make the same amount as someone that works their ass off, is never late, is attentive and aspires to put out a quality product? They shouldn't. This has been one of my main issues with the Union in general, the average hourly worker really has no incentive or need to work hard. It really is a no win situation for a hard worker, once the bosses find out that you're a good worker....they reward you with more work.

 

How much do you believe a non-skill factory worker should make and what type of benefits should they receive?

 

I believe a fare wage for a hard working non-skill U.S. factory worker should be in the range of $15-$25 an hour.....depending on the product they produce and how profitable their employers are. As far as benefits go, I don't believe that any American should be without health coverage, so that is a given. Also dental is a must (no need to start looking like the Brits :D ) and I think some form of retirement benefit.

[born2ryde]

I'm not too positive on this but I do believe that the U.A.W. and other unions have set the tone for the majority of the countries pay standards and work conditions. I also believe that what the U.A.W. and likely unions has done has affected the national minimum wage scale to increase. Unions have done wonders to help the nations workforce to be respected and compensated for their time and efforts. I am so tired of people saying how U.A.W. members are overpaid. It was said in the September issue of our plant magazine "Vanguard" that an autoworkers worth is $240 per hour per worker. The highest worth of all manufacturing jobs in the world. Compared to what we actually get paid, I say is a hell of a deal! Overpaid? I think not! Especially seeing the work that we do actually do. Not everybody can handle the workload of an Autoworker! Also the labor is only 10% of the the total cost when building a new vehicle. Stated in Vanguard. So I don't believe our pay is too high when you look at the whole picture here fellas. Just a little something for all you naysayers out there to think about next time you want to get all high and mighty!

[Mark8LSC CE0464]

Wow $12.00 an hour?I just do not understand how you can be so generous and still stay in business.I think you are someone who uses other people as long as it benefits you.Please do us all a favor and quit patting yourself on the back for providing shit pay jobs that someone will never be able to purchase a home or send their kids to college on.And please do tell just how many tax breaks you receive to keep your overly generous business in operation,tax breaks that are paid for by so called overpaid autoworkers.Just how much money do you make?Please tell us and let us judge whether you are overpaid.

 

Pull your thumb out of your ears. I said none of my employees makes less than $12.00 an hour.

 

Homes in our area start at $30,000.00 easily affordable to all I employ.

 

Tax breaks? Send some this way! My tax burden would scare the hell out of you! Do you know that I get taxed for money I do not even take home? Of course not, you have no idea want you encounter running a business! I certainly don't wish to seem snobbish, but I take home $16.00 an hour, or $33,280 a year. However, because of the way our tax system works, I get to pay taxes on $130,000.00 worth of income. That means I pay more in taxes than I take home. Of course, if you were in business, you would know how that happens, but I think your totally clueless.

 

Yes, I think we can assume that someone who runs a business has more knowledge in that field than someone who does not. Rip my ass all you want, I built something from the ground up that supports people and supports their families. Not everyone has the stomach to do it on their own.

 

How exactly do the autoworkers pay for my tax breaks? Have you separated from the fabric of reality?

[Mark8LSC CE0464]

Sorry Hec I had to steal you avatar, These low life elite business men make me want to :slap:

 

I would hardly call myself elite, try the Democrats, that's their moniker. I am as blue collar as it gets.

 

Never graduated from college, or any type of vocational school. I suppose I am like many autoworkers in that regard.

 

I have an open invitation to you autoworkers. If you should find yourself unemployed, my doors are always open to you!

[Mark8LSC CE0464]

I'm not too positive on this but I do believe that the U.A.W. and other unions have set the tone for the majority of the countries pay standards and work conditions. I also believe that what the U.A.W. and likely unions has done has affected the national minimum wage scale to increase. Unions have done wonders to help the nations workforce to be respected and compensated for their time and efforts. I am so tired of people saying how U.A.W. members are overpaid. It was said in the September issue of our plant magazine "Vanguard" that an autoworkers worth is $240 per hour per worker. The highest worth of all manufacturing jobs in the world. Compared to what we actually get paid, I say is a hell of a deal! Overpaid? I think not! Especially seeing the work that we do actually do. Not everybody can handle the workload of an Autoworker! Also the labor is only 10% of the the total cost when building a new vehicle. Stated in Vanguard. So I don't believe our pay is too high when you look at the whole picture here fellas. Just a little something for all you naysayers out there to think about next time you want to get all high and mighty!

 

I agree that autoworkers do an amazing job. Like any profession, there are those that aren't worth a crap, but by and large I think they do a hell of a job.

 

If the labor is only 10% of the cost of a vehicle you still need to recognize one thing, labor costs are the easiest cost factor to control. Don't you think that Ford has squeezed it's parts suppliers? Yes, of course. Didn't they also buy-out 14,000 white collar workers? Yep.

 

One thing that I hear people saying about the union folk are that they are so very unwilling to pay ANY part of the increased cost of health care. Heck, they get a better plan than my wife who works for the Feds.

[Furious1Auto]

I agree that autoworkers do an amazing job. Like any profession, there are those that aren't worth a crap, but by and large I think they do a hell of a job.

 

If the labor is only 10% of the cost of a vehicle you still need to recognize one thing, labor costs are the easiest cost factor to control. Don't you think that Ford has squeezed it's parts suppliers? Yes, of course. Didn't they also buy-out 14,000 white collar workers? Yep.

 

One thing that I hear people saying about the union folk are that they are so very unwilling to pay ANY part of the increased cost of health care. Heck, they get a better plan than my wife who works for the Feds.

8.6% of the MSRP is our labor costs. But thanks for recognizing that we're not all stupid and lazy!

[Mark8LSC CE0464]

8.6% of the MSRP is our labor costs. But thanks for recognizing that we're not all stupid and lazy!

 

In fact, you would know better than I, but I guess less than 5% are worthless idiots. Wish my field was full of 95% good workers!

[Furious1Auto]

In fact, you would know better than I, but I guess less than 5% are worthless idiots. Wish my field was full of 95% good workers!

We lost allot of worthless people in the buyouts, but I bet prior to the buyouts the percentage was higher 5%!

[Trimdingman]

A signing bonus? For what? Going to work after ratifying a contract? It would seem that ordinary people like myself are correct in their feelings that the union should be busted. I don't get a signing bonus, why should the UAW? This strike is the perfect time for GM to shed some inventory, save some cash since they won't be paying any wages, and remind the UAW members that their checks say GM at the top NOT UAW! Hell, let's make it interesting, GM should not begin talks again for a month or so. Let the UAW workers survive on $200.00 a week and get behind on some bills! Ooops, they won't get behind on their bills because they are paid too much and they get their health care for a song and a dance!

 

The signing bonus is the sugar to help the turd go down.