FordBuyer Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I couldn't believe it when I read that Toyota no longer gets free ride. That is really significant news for those who think CR is gospel. Now Toyota will have to wait a year to get on CR's Recommended list if data shows quality. I figured after the bad quality of the Avalon that in time the shit would hit the fan, and it did. That must be hard pill for Toyota to swallow. No longer treated special, but just like the Domestics now. Also, just read article in Automotive News that stated that Farley coup was much bigger than Press going to Chrysler. Farley was a rising star at Toyota and Press was on retirement arc. You have to put Farley on short list for next President and CEO job at Ford. It also stated that it's very bad news for Toyota to lose a young guy like Farley to Ford. You have to wonder how many more may be leaving Toyota soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I would like to see CR explain why Toyota was getting a free pass to begin with. For a supposedly unbiased magazine, that is damn biased behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Why the fuck did Toyota get a fucking free fucking pass in the first fucking place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Why the fuck did Toyota get a fucking free fucking pass in the first fucking place? $$$$$$$$....swiss bank account......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Why the fuck did Toyota get a fucking free fucking pass in the first fucking place? A belated Happy Birthday to you old chum! Toyota not getting their way/free pass any more, that must also be music to your ears. The so called impartial car critics are having their eyes opened at long last. I'm sure those same critics will now over compensate and praise anything that comes out of Detroit!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 $$$$$$$$....swiss bank account......... You mean that Toyota excutive slu--- I mean wife! A belated Happy Birthday to you old chum! Toyota not getting their way/free pass any more, that must also be music to your ears. The so called impartial car critics are having their eyes opened at long last. I'm sure those same critics will now over compensate and praise anything that comes out of Detroit!!! How did you know it was my Birthday? Toyota may no longer get a free pass in America, but it will still get a free pass and free lunch from Saudis here, however, light might be the fastest thing according to science, but I know bad rumors are faster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Yuuuuuu Huuuuuuuuu, PCsaaaaarioooooooo, where are you my fine Ford bashing knucklehead? Come out, come out, where ever you are. Come on PC, don't hide now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 Yuuuuuu Huuuuuuuuu, PCsaaaaarioooooooo, where are you my fine Ford bashing knucklehead? Come out, come out, where ever you are. Come on PC, don't hide now. Did you notice that the Tundra and Camry V6 got below average ratings while 93% of all Ford products got average or better. Another blow to Tundra. Toyota is learning the lesson Ford learned. When your plants are cranking out every vehicle they can make and you are expanding and always trying to increase production, QUALITY WILL SUFFER. Now that many Ford plants are at more leisurely pace, Ford can concentrate more on quality and it shows. If Toyota doesn't slow down, lack of customers in future will slow them down as it did Ford. I'm sure Toyota workers are stressed, at their mental and physical limit as Toyota has no time for injuries and overly tired workers and just pushes them beyone their limits. The result is reduced quality and its showing up all over the place. Ford on the other hand gets criticized for taking its time and moving slowly including technology, but usually it results in better quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 I don't think the Tundra plant is running on 3 shifts. What this is more indicative is of the growing 'birthright' mentality at Toyota. The current crop of engineers at Toyota collectively, IMO, view Toyota's quality as something inherited, and not the result of continual attention to details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibashaba Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 toyota was getting a free pass because their cars for the longest time were consistantly surveying better than other vehicles. They did it for a lot of other makes too when they would redesign a line that had usually done well in the past rather than wait a year to see how the redesign did. back in the day(10 years ago) i remember them explaining this and doing it for a lot of Fords. I actually remember a time(around 93?) that virtually ever ford was always recommended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 How did you know it was my Birthday? Sorry, couldn't pass that one up. I'm thinking the CR editor must be on vacation or something...heads will roll when he returns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
range Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 toyota was getting a free pass because their cars for the longest time were consistantly surveying better than other vehicles. The problem is Toyota's quality problems have been known for a long time now. Most every other survey and indicator picked this fact up long ago. CR is FINALLY accepting reality. CR has been covering for Toyota for too long. Avalon shows dent in Toyota quality; fixes sought for 'problematic vehicle' NHTSA Deals Another Blow to Toyota, New Probes Might Mean More Recalls Toyota's hybrid SUV short on quality Feds Look Into Prius Stalling Long line of faulty cars muddies Toyota image Repairing Some Dents in an Image Toyota facing another Tundra recall Toyota Sludge Class Action Settlement Oh What A Bad Feeling - Toyota to Recall 1/2 Million Sequoias The Little Toyota Engine Light That Couldn't Turn Off Toyota's totally bizarre recall - Toyota makes vehicle less safe Toyota's Tundra Again Target of Safety Probe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford-150 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Why the fuck did Toyota get a fucking free fucking pass in the first fucking place? i agree with you here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truckman901 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 (edited) You mean that Toyota excutive slu--- I mean wife! How did you know it was my Birthday? Toyota I'm so Glad that your failing ,your not so hot after all. Go back to Japan and start cooking rice again. Stay out of the United State Imports Suck We don;t want you A real American does not buy imports Don :happy feet: Edited October 18, 2007 by truckman901 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 You mean that Toyota excutive slu--- I mean wife!How did you know it was my Birthday? Toyota I'm so Glad that your failing your not so hot after all. Go back to Japan and start cooking rice again. Stay out of the United State Imports Suck A real American does not buy imports Don :happy feet: Ah, nothing like some red-blooded American racism to spice things up. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockFX Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Ah, nothing like some red-blooded American racism to spice things up. :rolleyes: More like a total douchebag. That guy should just stop driving then, because the oil for gas is all imported. He should also stop buying anything not made in the US, which is a lot of stuff he buys at Walmart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 More like a total douchebag. That guy should just stop driving then, because the oil for gas is all imported. He should also stop buying anything not made in the US, which is a lot of stuff he buys at Walmart. Not ALL of our oil is imported....and a good portion of it is at least from Canada and Mexico. I agree with your point though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockFX Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Not ALL of our oil is imported....and a good portion of it is at least from Canada and Mexico. I agree with your point though. Almost ALL of our oil is imported. Oil from Canada and Mexico is still imported oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Almost ALL of our oil is imported. Oil from Canada and Mexico is still imported oil. Yes, I know it is imported. But most Americans assume that we get every drop of our oil from the Middle East, which isn't anywhere close to the truth. http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petrole...ent/import.html I've won a lot of arguments by referencing this link over the years. :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockFX Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Yes, I know it is imported. But most Americans assume that we get every drop of our oil from the Middle East, which isn't anywhere close to the truth. http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petrole...ent/import.html I've won a lot of arguments by referencing this link over the years. :happy feet: Most Americans are idiots too. Remember, average is mediocre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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