ellu369 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I heard Kansa City cancelled all personal days scheduled for Halloween Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr X Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 AAI only runs on day shift, this year this AAI gave us a Halloween week vacation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin' Rick Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) Halloween is an issue at any plant that has a night shift!! ...our supervisor said he had over a hundred requests for Halloween night off...I'll be surprised if they're able to run at all... Edited October 31, 2007 by Racin' Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrballsonya Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I realize Ford is a business, but it's also a business that employs people. Most people have kids. If you have Kids, then you'll probably want to spend Halloween with them. How much longer will it take the Company to realize, that people enjoy spending time with their kids? Halloween isn't a holiday, but I dare you to try and tell that to a kid. Special times for kids, should be considered special times for their parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KcAc Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Our foremonkey came around and asked everyone if they was gonna be at work tomorrow(halloween) i got a good laugh out of that. They also had the day x'ed out on the calendar.. which is bs I know all the good the union does and has done for its employee's over the years.. but sometimes i wonder.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperPilot Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I realize Ford is a business, but it's also a business that employs people. Most people have kids. If you have Kids, then you'll probably want to spend Halloween with them. How much longer will it take the Company to realize, that people enjoy spending time with their kids? Halloween isn't a holiday, but I dare you to try and tell that to a kid. Special times for kids, should be considered special times for their parents. I have 4 kids. If I don't take the kids out, the wife will. The candy will still flow. Hallowe'en has fallen on October 31st for as long as I remember. If it's that important to you, book it off in advance just like you book any other scheduled vacation. Other than that, if there's that many people wanting it off, push for it to be a contractually negotiated holiday. Ford Motor Company employs people with kids, but it is in the business of making cars. It can't give everyone the night off or the place won't run. As much of a union worker/supporter that I am, I can't believe this is even an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailinshoes Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 How much downtime is AAI having? AAI down three weeks total this month. No more scheduled yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbldbxorntnap Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I have 4 kids. If I don't take the kids out, the wife will. The candy will still flow. Hallowe'en has fallen on October 31st for as long as I remember. If it's that important to you, book it off in advance just like you book any other scheduled vacation. Other than that, if there's that many people wanting it off, push for it to be a contractually negotiated holiday. Ford Motor Company employs people with kids, but it is in the business of making cars. It can't give everyone the night off or the place won't run. As much of a union worker/supporter that I am, I can't believe this is even an issue. At NAP they[management] would canvass the day before and the day of Halloween,the day shift people to see how many were willing to work overtime to cover for those on the night shift that might be coming in late so they could take their kid's trick or treating, I'm sure this is done at other plants as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin' Rick Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I have 4 kids. If I don't take the kids out, the wife will. The candy will still flow. Hallowe'en has fallen on October 31st for as long as I remember. If it's that important to you, book it off in advance just like you book any other scheduled vacation. Other than that, if there's that many people wanting it off, push for it to be a contractually negotiated holiday. Ford Motor Company employs people with kids, but it is in the business of making cars. It can't give everyone the night off or the place won't run. As much of a union worker/supporter that I am, I can't believe this is even an issue. Obviously you have more than ten years seniority and have the available vacation days to do what your're saying. Management KNEW this was going to be a problem day a month ago AND DID NOTHING. Incidently, Trim went 8.7 last night because they KNEW production wouldn't start for at least half an hour while they train how to block build...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davdog Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I have 4 kids. If I don't take the kids out, the wife will. The candy will still flow. Hallowe'en has fallen on October 31st for as long as I remember. If it's that important to you, book it off in advance just like you book any other scheduled vacation. Other than that, if there's that many people wanting it off, push for it to be a contractually negotiated holiday. Ford Motor Company employs people with kids, but it is in the business of making cars. It can't give everyone the night off or the place won't run. As much of a union worker/supporter that I am, I can't believe this is even an issue. Thank you so much for this reply!! I was unsure what direction this would go, either someone like yourself responding, or someone wondering the same thing about valentines day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman@MTP Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Here at Michigan Truck we are on 1 shift. So this year there is no problem on Halloween. Last year they almost shut down the bodyshop cause of the AWOL's on Halloween. Gman 1ZVFT84N965142815.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperPilot Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Obviously you have more than ten years seniority and have the available vacation days to do what your're saying. Management KNEW this was going to be a problem day a month ago AND DID NOTHING. Incidently, Trim went 8.7 last night because they KNEW production wouldn't start for at least half an hour while they train how to block build...! Yes, I have more than 10 years. And yes, I have the available vacation. But see, that's part of the point. There are rules. We all get vacation time that was negotiated, and that vacation time is tied to your seniority. If everyone took time off whenever the heck they feel like it -- Hallowe'en, Valentine's Day, Yom Kippur, Steak and a BJ Day, whatever -- how can Ford run its business? What about St. Patrick's Day? Should all the alcoholics get the day off so they can go drink green beer? I mean, you feel that you should be given the time off based on your family planning, what about childless people that just want to unwind over a few Guinnesses? If we intend to keep our jobs and feed our families for the long term, we have to be responsible to ourselves and our families AND our job. Ford needs to make vehicles so it can make money so that we can make ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentucky250s Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 At KTP if this was super bowl sunday plant schedule adjustments would be made it would have been nice if they could have did the same for halloween since its for are children but ill be there to block build tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionj Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I realize Ford is a business, but it's also a business that employs people. Most people have kids. If you have Kids, then you'll probably want to spend Halloween with them. How much longer will it take the Company to realize, that people enjoy spending time with their kids? Halloween isn't a holiday, but I dare you to try and tell that to a kid. Special times for kids, should be considered special times for their parents. Your kids are your worry not Fords. Fords concern is to ensure a future for the company which in turn ensures a future for you and your kids. Ask all those at the plants that have been closed how they feel about it? You will get a totally different mindset than before I garauntee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionj Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Yes, I have more than 10 years. And yes, I have the available vacation. But see, that's part of the point. There are rules. We all get vacation time that was negotiated, and that vacation time is tied to your seniority. If everyone took time off whenever the heck they feel like it -- Hallowe'en, Valentine's Day, Yom Kippur, Steak and a BJ Day, whatever -- how can Ford run its business? What about St. Patrick's Day? Should all the alcoholics get the day off so they can go drink green beer? I mean, you feel that you should be given the time off based on your family planning, what about childless people that just want to unwind over a few Guinnesses? If we intend to keep our jobs and feed our families for the long term, we have to be responsible to ourselves and our families AND our job. Ford needs to make vehicles so it can make money so that we can make ours. AMEN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderinglost Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I heard Kansa City cancelled all personal days scheduled for Halloween I think over the last three years, AAI has actually worked the "B" shift once. Last year they pushed back the start time from 6:54 pm, to 9pm, but then broke down on "B" shift and sent everyone home after four hours. The year before, they insisted on a 6:54pm start and no one showed up for work, and they sent everyone home after four hours. The year before that they actually ran. For myself, I have four kids also, and put in for halloween usually around Nov second, it's not that we are some halloween crazed family, but for the amount of time I spend at work and all of the events that I miss, the kids know that I will be there on that day. I haven't had to blow off work once for halloween yet, but I would in a heart beat if I worked in a plant that refused me the day off and I had the time coming to me. ViperPilot, to a certain extent I agree with you, however it's hard to take you too seriously regarding halloween, when people with kids want to be home with them, when every single day, we have a ton of people that don't come to work, and no one does anything about them. I know several people that skip work on halloween each year that do not have a single AWOL on their records, except for that day. But, people that we see maybe a few weeks a year, or three days a week, etc. and we all have a ton of people in our plants like this, get away scott free. I think halloween is something that is most certainly an issue, but there is no hope of any sort of negotiation on it at the higher levels, perhaps on the local level. Just my two cents........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrballsonya Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Your kids are your worry not Fords. Fords concern is to ensure a future for the company which in turn ensures a future for you and your kids. Ask all those at the plants that have been closed how they feel about it? You will get a totally different mindset than before I garauntee! So true, Ford could care less about my kids. But they should care about something that disrupts their operations every year and the core reason of why it's occurring. They need to figure out in advance (canvass) if they'll have the manpower necessary to run. My kids will only be little once, until they grow out of Halloween I won't work a Halloween afternoon shift. This never has been an issue in the past, as I was either on day shift or midnights. But if the issue ever comes up, I'll take a personal day. Situations like this are exactly what personal days are for. I do work (GEN) at a plant that has closed (Wixom), and back when we were running an afternoon shift we also had Halloween problems. I thought it was ridiculous that we weren't running because of the mismanagement and Awols, both sides were at fault. My main point is, If there is a man power problem every year... on a certain day. The Company needs to start realizing that they need to plan better or just deal with the same problem year after year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionj Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 (edited) So true, Ford could care less about my kids. But they should care about something that disrupts their operations every year and the core reason of why it's occurring. They need to figure out in advance (canvass) if they'll have the manpower necessary to run. My kids will only be little once, until they grow out of Halloween I won't work a Halloween afternoon shift. This never has been an issue in the past, as I was either on day shift or midnights. But if the issue ever comes up, I'll take a personal day. Situations like this are exactly what personal days are for. I do work (GEN) at a plant that has closed (Wixom), and back when we were running an afternoon shift we also had Halloween problems. I thought it was ridiculous that we weren't running because of the mismanagement and Awols, both sides were at fault. My main point is, If there is a man power problem every year... on a certain day. The Company needs to start realizing that they need to plan better or just deal with the same problem year after year. MISMANAGEMENT! Get your ass to work everyday you are scheduled and if you want to spend time at home then quit and stay home. Put in for leave in advance and follow the rules, no problem. Here is a taste of the real world. I scheduled a staff meeting last thursday and told all employees if anyone was 1 second late they would be sent home. I sent 50% of staff home with no pay. A contract is a contract, you agreed to accomplish said tasks for x amount of hours per day in exchange for the $$$ that support you and your family. Edited October 31, 2007 by unionj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davdog Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 So true, Ford could care less about my kids. But they should care about something that disrupts their operations every year and the core reason of why it's occurring. They need to figure out in advance (canvass) if they'll have the manpower necessary to run. My kids will only be little once, until they grow out of Halloween I won't work a Halloween afternoon shift. This never has been an issue in the past, as I was either on day shift or midnights. But if the issue ever comes up, I'll take a personal day. Situations like this are exactly what personal days are for. I do work (GEN) at a plant that has closed (Wixom), and back when we were running an afternoon shift we also had Halloween problems. I thought it was ridiculous that we weren't running because of the mismanagement and Awols, both sides were at fault. My main point is, If there is a man power problem every year... on a certain day. The Company needs to start realizing that they need to plan better or just deal with the same problem year after year. I wonder if Halloween is an issue in Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 MISMANAGEMENT! Get your ass to work everyday you are scheduled and if you want to spend time at home then quit and stay home. Put in for leave in advance and follow the rules, no problem. typical non employee response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin' Rick Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 MISMANAGEMENT! Get your ass to work everyday you are scheduled and if you want to spend time at home then quit and stay home. Put in for leave in advance and follow the rules, no problem. Here is a taste of the real world. I scheduled a staff meeting last thursday and told all employees if anyone was 1 second late they would be sent home. I sent 50% of staff home with no pay. A contract is a contract, you agreed to accomplish said tasks for x amount of hours per day in exchange for the $$$ that support you and your family. ...nice...just another reason not to be associate with management in any way shape or form. Perhaps you know Todd Bryant personally... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotlanta Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Yes, I have more than 10 years. And yes, I have the available vacation. But see, that's part of the point. There are rules. We all get vacation time that was negotiated, and that vacation time is tied to your seniority. If everyone took time off whenever the heck they feel like it -- Hallowe'en, Valentine's Day, Yom Kippur, Steak and a BJ Day, whatever -- how can Ford run its business? What about St. Patrick's Day? Should all the alcoholics get the day off so they can go drink green beer? I mean, you feel that you should be given the time off based on your family planning, what about childless people that just want to unwind over a few Guinnesses? If we intend to keep our jobs and feed our families for the long term, we have to be responsible to ourselves and our families AND our job. Ford needs to make vehicles so it can make money so that we can make ours. I've got to agree. I worked at AAP (and my opinion was the same BEFORE the closure), and I don't believe the issue of not working on Halloween EVER came up, I don't recall it being an issue at AAP, at least not in the Trim area. My children are 22 and 19 now, but 12 years ago, when I worked nights, I never even THOUGHT about asking off for Halloween! I could understand High School Graduation, or out-patient surgery, a car accident, something like that - but Halloween???? I love my children, but they also understood that I couldn't just take off from work to take them 'trick or treatin'. I mean, gee, what's next - 'potty training graduation day', or 'first baby-tooth lost day'???? It's this kind of silliness that gives others the idea (and probably rightly so, in this case) that we are nothing but over-paid, spoiled, whiney auto workers who don't deserve the benefits we receive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin' Rick Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 I've got to agree. I worked at AAP (and my opinion was the same BEFORE the closure), and I don't believe the issue of not working on Halloween EVER came up, I don't recall it being an issue at AAP, at least not in the Trim area. My children are 22 and 19 now, but 12 years ago, when I worked nights, I never even THOUGHT about asking off for Halloween! I could understand High School Graduation, or out-patient surgery, a car accident, something like that - but Halloween???? I love my children, but they also understood that I couldn't just take off from work to take them 'trick or treatin'. I mean, gee, what's next - 'potty training graduation day', or 'first baby-tooth lost day'???? It's this kind of silliness that gives others the idea (and probably rightly so, in this case) that we are nothing but over-paid, spoiled, whiney auto workers who don't deserve the benefits we receive. ...you have no clue what it's like in Trim today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderinglost Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 MISMANAGEMENT! Here is a taste of the real world. I scheduled a staff meeting last thursday and told all employees if anyone was 1 second late they would be sent home. I sent 50% of staff home with no pay. I had people like you under me before I worked for Ford, after you got done proving what a hard ass you are, and destroying morale, it would have been my great pleasure to send you back out into the real world to try again. What are you anyway, with management skills like that you must be some mid-level Ford management, or at least bought into their school of thought. And there is no point in dragging the contract into this argument, both sides only use it when it works to their advantage, other than that both sides live in the various shades of grey. BTW, if you are Ford management, instead of railing on about people skipping one day of work to be with their kids, why don't you try to do something about the people that make a career of skipping work while everyone else is working and supporting their families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fed up Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 MISMANAGEMENT! Get your ass to work everyday you are scheduled and if you want to spend time at home then quit and stay home. Put in for leave in advance and follow the rules, no problem. Here is a taste of the real world. I scheduled a staff meeting last thursday and told all employees if anyone was 1 second late they would be sent home. I sent 50% of staff home with no pay. A contract is a contract, you agreed to accomplish said tasks for x amount of hours per day in exchange for the $$$ that support you and your family. And this is why your company will always be a training company....Hire in at low wages, get some expreience, tell the boss that your tired of his ****, move on to a lifelong job down the road....just my 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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