beatdown Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Group 99 better known as Skilled Trades. How will you like being laid off to the street while Ford adds a bunch of the $14.00 an hour two tiered workers. You will not have a choice. If you do not have any production time you will not work at Ford. By this agreement Ford will be able to effectively Layoff Skilled Trades employees to the street that do not have production time and hire new employees under the two tiered system and have them do your job while you are laid off by calling it a breakdown and using them under the helping hands concept. Contractually by keeping all of the skilled classifications and not combining them they can layoff all but one of each classification and all of the Laid off skilled trades employees go to the street and Ford can still hire new employees to do production work at the $14.00 an hr scale. This is a fact and it was used in the contract when Chrysler sold out to General Dynamics. They cut out the Skilled Trades except for one in each trade and were able to hire from the street without recalling skilled tradesmen in similar classifications. Get ready, Ford considers skilled trades to be non-core. Ford will contract out most all of the maintenance to their vendors and we (Skilled Trades Group 99) will be on the street. If you do not have production time you will have no chance to keep your job under the new agreement. If you have 20 or 25 years seniority and no production time you are screwed. Vote no or lose your job. Make Ford protect all current employees before they can hire under the two tier system. This is wrong seniority should count for something. Vote NO and make them respect seniority. Cut out 50 percent of Mulallys and Fields corporate jet vacations and it will pay for us keeping our jobs in skilled trades or production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendew_15 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Group 99 better known as Skilled Trades. How will you like being laid off to the street while Ford adds a bunch of the $14.00 an hour two tiered workers. You will not have a choice. If you do not have any production time you will not work at Ford. By this agreement Ford will be able to effectively Layoff Skilled Trades employees to the street that do not have production time and hire new employees under the two tiered system and have them do your job while you are laid off by calling it a breakdown and using them under the helping hands concept. Contractually by keeping all of the skilled classifications and not combining them they can layoff all but one of each classification and all of the Laid off skilled trades employees go to the street and Ford can still hire new employees to do production work at the $14.00 an hr scale. This is a fact and it was used in the contract when Chrysler sold out to General Dynamics. They cut out the Skilled Trades except for one in each trade and were able to hire from the street without recalling skilled tradesmen in similar classifications. Get ready, Ford considers skilled trades to be non-core. Ford will contract out most all of the maintenance to their vendors and we (Skilled Trades Group 99) will be on the street. If you do not have production time you will have no chance to keep your job under the new agreement. If you have 20 or 25 years seniority and no production time you are screwed. Vote no or lose your job. Make Ford protect all current employees before they can hire under the two tier system. This is wrong seniority should count for something. Vote NO and make them respect seniority. Cut out 50 percent of Mulallys and Fields corporate jet vacations and it will pay for us keeping our jobs in skilled trades or production. Hasn't this always been the case?If you never hired in production you can never go back to where you never came from?I don't see anything changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrballsonya Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Hasn't this always been the case?If you never hired in production you can never go back to where you never came from?I don't see anything changing. I agree. I hired in as a tradesman, and unless the (Gen Bank trades to production) scenario happens... I have no recall rights to take a production job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 This is a great agreement Skilled Trades have many options 1) You may voluntarily go to a production job in your current building with no strike against you and get date of entry in production and have return rights within your skilled sen. 2) If you voluntarily take a production job outside of your bargaining unit you may use you full company seniority w/ recall rights within your trade. Read the contract don't make assumtions....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 (edited) Group 99 better known as Skilled Trades. How will you like being laid off to the street while Ford adds a bunch of the $14.00 an hour two tiered workers. You will not have a choice. If you do not have any production time you will not work at Ford. By this agreement Ford will be able to effectively Layoff Skilled Trades employees to the street that do not have production time and hire new employees under the two tiered system and have them do your job while you are laid off by calling it a breakdown and using them under the helping hands concept. Contractually by keeping all of the skilled classifications and not combining them they can layoff all but one of each classification and all of the Laid off skilled trades employees go to the street and Ford can still hire new employees to do production work at the $14.00 an hr scale. This is a fact and it was used in the contract when Chrysler sold out to General Dynamics. They cut out the Skilled Trades except for one in each trade and were able to hire from the street without recalling skilled tradesmen in similar classifications. Get ready, Ford considers skilled trades to be non-core. Ford will contract out most all of the maintenance to their vendors and we (Skilled Trades Group 99) will be on the street. If you do not have production time you will have no chance to keep your job under the new agreement. If you have 20 or 25 years seniority and no production time you are screwed. Vote no or lose your job. Make Ford protect all current employees before they can hire under the two tier system. This is wrong seniority should count for something. Vote NO and make them respect seniority. Cut out 50 percent of Mulallys and Fields corporate jet vacations and it will pay for us keeping our jobs in skilled trades or production. Your lay of babble is confusing. If there are no offers in your classification you will stay in job security protection for the whole term of the agreement. There is no change in project and maintenance work. This work stays with Ford Trades. In fact the Vandyke COA language was reversed on project work where they get their project and construction work returnred to them. Educate your self with facts............ Edited November 6, 2007 by dividedwebeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSP Worker Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Here is the skilled trades agreement .pdf. On about page 2 they mention the "helping hands" process. Just like the language in the old continuous improovement agreement, " will not result in the non attrition related reduction of skilled trades workforce." LINK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSP Worker Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Now for the not so good news. If you read a little farther down the skilled trades .pdf. You will see production will be doing some basic maintenance. Read all of this stuff carefully and make an informed vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Here is the skilled trades agreement .pdf. On about page 2 they mention the "helping hands" process. Just like the language in the old continuous improovement agreement, " will not result in the non attrition related reduction of skilled trades workforce." LINK This helping hands has been around for years through a umpire decision. This helping hands is just for "production breakdowns" Get the facts.........Dont just scan the language....read it...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 (edited) Now for the not so good news. If you read a little farther down the skilled trades .pdf. You will see production will be doing some basic maintenance. Read all of this stuff carefully and make an informed vote. Holy sh-t Production workers are cleaning and tightening fittings......... stop the presses............... Edited November 7, 2007 by dividedwebeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSP Worker Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I'm not saying it is a show stopper. As a tradesman. I can live with it as long as people are not pushed out because of it. Also, as I mentioned above, the Helping hands deal is not as bad as topic starter had claimed. I am in agreement with you. Read the contract and make an informed vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 This is a great agreement Skilled Trades have many options 1) You may voluntarily go to a production job in your current building with no strike against you and get date of entry in production and have return rights within your skilled sen. 2) If you voluntarily take a production job outside of your bargaining unit you may use you full company seniority w/ recall rights within your trade. Read the contract don't make assumtions....... I wanted to vote no on this contract. The more I read the white pages, the more I realised that I have to vote yes. As a tradesman, I see nothing wrong with this agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigredogre Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 production also to slag cells,tighten hoses. and non dimensional clamps,ect in cells. so sayeth the contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP'er Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 (edited) So tell me do skill trades come in at the lower rate too???? I think thats only fair. Edited November 6, 2007 by MTP'er Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigredogre Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 the only lanugage I see on that is seceond teir can fill all positions,does not say either way about trades or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 I think thats only fair. Yeah. Real fair. Have somebody go to school for 4 years to learn a craft then cut the pay in half he could make on the outside. :rolleyes: Ain't gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 So tell me do skill trades come in at the lower rate too???? I think thats only fair. No.....The trades are always in competetion with outside contractors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OACville Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 (edited) . Edited November 7, 2007 by OACville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OACville Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 So tell me do skill trades come in at the lower rate too???? I think thats only fair. Wouldnt be much of a tradesman if you can find one that would be willing to work for that wage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davdog Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Wouldnt be much of a tradesman if you can find one that would be willing to work for that wage. And your point is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvsked Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 I'm not saying it is a show stopper. As a tradesman. I can live with it as long as people are not pushed out because of it. Also, as I mentioned above, the Helping hands deal is not as bad as topic starter had claimed. I am in agreement with you. Read the contract and make an informed vote. This may come as a shock, but I've seen production workers take mattters into their own hands when they couldn't get a tradesperson to fix their piece of equipment and all it needed was a minor adjustment. The trades person rational was if they fixed one job all the production workers would want their jobs fixed???? True story..... On the other side of the coin if production is going to enter automated cells I hope they've had lockout training, I remeber hearing about a maintenance supervisor with 18 yrs experience recently getting hurt May his soul rest in peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvsked Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 So tell me do skill trades come in at the lower rate too???? I think thats only fair. The 20% as I understand it is across the board, but you get what you pay for, as many here have pointed out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charly Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 This may come as a shock, but I've seen production workers take mattters into their own hands when they couldn't get a tradesperson to fix their piece of equipment and all it needed was a minor adjustment. The trades person rational was if they fixed one job all the production workers would want their jobs fixed????True story..... Thats a pretty broad statement...did all the tradespeople make that comment? On the other side of the coin if production is going to enter automated cells I hope they've had lockout training, I remeber hearing about a maintenance supervisor with 18 yrs experience recently getting hurt May his soul rest in peace The tradesperson will fix the problem....when they are made aware of it...most times the line supervisor just puts off putting the call in, until the operator gets pissed off and blames the trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepskilledtrades Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 production also to slag cells,tighten hoses.and non dimensional clamps,ect in cells. so sayeth the contract At our plant they are already doing minor maint. training for production and it covers a hell of alot more than those listed in this agreement!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvsked Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 The tradesperson will fix the problem....when they are made aware of it...most times the line supervisor just puts off putting the call in, until the operator gets pissed off and blames the trades. hence the lable tradesperson e.g. singular, person.... don't get your coveralls in a bunch. at this point in time it would be a team leader not line supervisor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drunk Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Hasn't this always been the case?If you never hired in production you can never go back to where you never came from?I don't see anything changing. You know I understood that and I'm wasted.......Again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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