What a bunch of sell outs

[slapstick]

It's not rocket science...Ford management has a much longer term outlook than the typical line grunt who's living paycheck to paycheck.

 

Imagine if over half the workers at the plants are working for 14 bux/hr by next contract...it may take 2 contracts, but it will happen.

 

Ford offers 18 bux/hr and new hire bennies to everyone on the next go around...it'll pass easily.

 

My numbers are probably off, but I think most of you can see my point.

 

Divide and Conquer...the union's days are numbered, bank on it.

[Hotlanta]

I'm not a Daniel Howes' fan, but I gotta admit he's right.

 

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...342/1148/AUTO01

 

"There are sections devoted to it in the United Auto Workers contract summaries prepared for local leaders and their members. Talk of job security peppers comments on message boards, e-mails in my inbox and the picket line chatter during the brief UAW strikes against General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC.

 

They may mean commitments to invest in their plants, or to build a new car or truck there. They may mean agreement, as enshrined in the UAW's tentative agreement with Ford Motor Co., that no currently active worker would be asked to take a lower-paying job. They may also mean, understandably, a guarantee.

 

Except that there is no such thing. Not in a dynamic, competitive economy. Not for GM, which has been selling assets to raise cash. Or for Ford, with its U.S. operations mortgaged to the hilt. Or Chrysler LLC, which has a future uncertain enough to cause its German parent to peddle it to a private equity shop."

 

"But folks are kidding themselves if they're looking for guarantees that auto plants will keep humming or that folks will keep buying cars and trucks or that Ford's turnaround (along with those of Chrysler and even GM) have enough runway. Or, worse, they're blind to what's happening around them."

 

 

I would like to hope for the best, but remembering past (and recent) history, I expect the worse.

[MTP WORKER]

How are young people suppose to learn to stick together if all they see are the older people looking out for themselves and giving them the shaft?? Age shouldn't matter, loyalty, compassion and empathy should.

 

I AM retired from Ford, and I would give up some of my pension (and it's only 1/3 pension), AND health benefits if it meant the younger workers would be protected. I may be old, but young people usually have small children to take care of, and THEY are our future, and we ARE selling them out, no matter WHAT your excuses about 'parents and inlaws' may be. And you can say it's the auto companies fault, and I agree mostly, but we contribute to it when we sit back in resignation. And I'll wager that your parents, inlaws and uncles that are retired would NEVER have allowed their fear of losing their job to stop them from doing what was right.

 

But hey, as long as YOU'RE protected, that's all that counts, right?

 

And that's just my opinion, too.

No one is forcing people to come work for a lower wage. :whipped: As long as the people that come to work are making more than they were and their lifestyles are not affected in a negative way why would they be unhappy? On the other hand you can not make some people happy no matter what you pay them. I am sure there are auto workers who think that they are worth WAY more than they are making now. :rolleyes:

[Pioneer]

Imagine if over half the workers at the plants are working for 14 bux/hr by next contract...it may take 2 contracts, but it will happen.

 

How can 50% of the workers equal less than 20% company wide employment?

[J-150]

this is actually a well played hand.

 

lower paid new workers will help Ford survive.

 

In 10 years time when Ford is healthy again , guess what? They ask for more money.

 

It's a temporary thing that lasts the duration of THIS contract.

 

Don't be so short sighted davdog.

[Hotlanta]

No one is forcing people to come work for a lower wage. :whipped: As long as the people that come to work are making more than they were and their lifestyles are not affected in a negative way why would they be unhappy? On the other hand you can not make some people happy no matter what you pay them. I am sure there are auto workers who think that they are worth WAY more than they are making now. :rolleyes:

 

No, no one is forcing them, but these days what choice do they have?? Market conditions, corporate/shareholder payout increases, government interference, and just plain old apathy continue to bring wages down, and finding a job with a living wage is difficult even for those with college degrees.

 

And what makes you think that people are making MORE than they were? Most workers who are losing their jobs or entering the job market have no choice but to take a lower-paying wage with less benefits. This is born out by the statistics. The last job report showed an increased in jobs, but they were lower-paying ones. At the very BEST wages are stagnant, yet gasoline, the price of heating your home, groceries, etc. have all increased.

 

I don't know of many people these days whose life HASN'T been affected in a negative way by the recent economic conditions, and it's only going to get worse. I can't imagine trying to survive on $14/hr., but many HAVE to these days.

 

Our fellow autoworkers who stand next to us doing the same back-breaking labor shouldn't have to.

[dark270]

So you decided to give up the future members? What if they did that in the past?

 

I know you didn't have a ton of leverage here but you should have gone more closely with what the other 2 gave so you won't be the group singled out in 10 to 15 years, and they will single you out.

 

I have other questions about what you did.

 

Ford has the lowest plant utilization right now right? so they want to get rid of 12000 people AND keep all the plants open? Oh yeah that improves plant utilization.

 

According to people like IMA and Trim the turnover and quality that will come from people making $14 an hour is going to be horrible and now you're going to have those people building cars? At least the other 2 just have them driving forklifts and cleaning up, ford will actually have them building cars. Big loss for you guys in the long run here right?

 

You guys must not be getting all the info because with what you posted here Ford is the big loser here. About the only win they get out of what you’ve stated here is that they get to fund the veba with a lower percentage then the other 2. Where is the stuff that is going to make them more competitive? New hires at a lower rate won’t do it. If they’ll be trying to shed 12000 jobs they won’t be hiring

 

speculations, opinions and no facts!

[dark270]

Look where the profits go.

Fusion put together in Mexico, it's engine built in Broookpark, Ohio. Look to see where the profits go. Fusion profits go to Detroit. Any Jap car built in the US, profits go back to Japan. And if you look around, a lot of older people, some who were in WWII are driving Jap cars. They just don't get it. No different then driving ( or flying ) a Jap Zero.

i would never buy a fusion, it's less then 28% made in america.

[TRUCK]

this is actually a well played hand.

 

lower paid new workers will help Ford survive.

 

In 10 years time when Ford is healthy again , guess what? They ask for more money.

 

It's a temporary thing that lasts the duration of THIS contract.

 

Don't be so short sighted davdog.

 

I agree. With Ford wanting to get rid of an addition 8,000 to 12,000 workers, I doubt they will be hiring within the next four years anyway. Also Ford expects to return to profitabilty by 2009. That's only two years away.

[Hotlanta]

I agree. With Ford wanting to get rid of an addition 8,000 to 12,000 workers, I doubt they will be hiring within the next four years anyway. Also Ford expects to return to profitabilty by 2009. That's only two years away.

 

 

Yeah, right. Dream on.

[davdog]

speculations, opinions and no facts!

 

It's not a fact that ford has the lowest plant utilization? I've read that in numerous places, please correct me if I'm wrong. Take away another 12000 employees without taking away any plants and that number gets lower. If fords market share slips as expected that is going to sting them even worse. Where did ford improve itself here? Is it the lower funding of the veba?

[davdog]

this is actually a well played hand.

 

lower paid new workers will help Ford survive.

 

In 10 years time when Ford is healthy again , guess what? They ask for more money.

 

It's a temporary thing that lasts the duration of THIS contract.

 

Don't be so short sighted davdog.

 

Ford is looking to get 12000 workers out the door. How long is that going to take? They won't be hiring for a long time. Chrysler and GM get some benefit from the core/noncore arrangement right away, ford won't see any benefit from the new hire agreement for a long time. You better look more closely at the veba funding because they have to get something out of this. Wall streets negative reaction has me concerned also.

 

Don't get me wrong guys, I only drive Ford. Pinto, escort wagon, taurus wagon, and soon to be Ranger XLT, I don't want to drive anything but Ford but it looks to me like they are losing big time to the other 2 of the big 3 on this deal.

[dark270]

It's not a fact that ford has the lowest plant utilization? I've read that in numerous places, please correct me if I'm wrong. Take away another 12000 employees without taking away any plants and that number gets lower. If fords market share slips as expected that is going to sting them even worse. Where did ford improve itself here? Is it the lower funding of the veba?

 

those figures(latest given) are from 04-05 before the nationwide buyouts, use you head dav.

ford will be fine, what about your other predictions ? they were WAY off

 

guess what ?

i think your STILL JEALOUS!

 

are you going to apply ?

[dark270]

Ford is looking to get 12000 workers out the door. How long is that going to take? They won't be hiring for a long time. Chrysler and GM get some benefit from the core/noncore arrangement right away, ford won't see any benefit from the new hire agreement for a long time. You better look more closely at the veba funding because they have to get something out of this. Wall streets negative reaction has me concerned also.

 

Don't get me wrong guys, I only drive Ford. Pinto, escort wagon, taurus wagon, and soon to be Ranger XLT, I don't want to drive anything but Ford but it looks to me like they are losing big time to the other 2 of the big 3 on this deal.

the ford contract is better, not by alot, but you'll see.

more savings, and more savings.

[davdog]

those figures(latest given) are from 04-05 before the nationwide buyouts, use you head dav.

ford will be fine, what about your other predictions ? they were WAY off

 

guess what ?

i think your STILL JEALOUS!

 

are you going to apply ?

 

What predictions? My only predictions were for people who left the umbrella of the UAW. I dare you to find a post where I stated anything about what was to come in the contract between ford and the uaw. How can you say Ford will be fine? The market share for ford has slipped on a yearly basis and now it's starting to be taken away by GM. If they drop much more it is going to get scary. There is a buy American crowd in this country, I count myself among them. It looks like some of the buy American/ford crowd are going over to the buy american/GM team. This can't be allowed to happen. It's one thing to lose share to toyota, etc... but it's another when it's lost to GM.

[Pioneer]

I don't get it, davdog. You are one of the most anti-union people trolling this board. Why do you care if we give concessions? Seriously.

[davdog]

I don't get it, davdog. You are one of the most anti-union people trolling this board. Why do you care if we give concessions? Seriously.

 

I am from a UAW family. I feel it sucks good people in to a situation they can't get out of. With high pay, pension, etc... People who could do something else besides assemble cars, or parts for cars, end up stuck in the manufacturing business. That business is a dead end and anyone with any vision in the UAW should tell the members that. How can manual labor jobs possibly compete with low wage foriegn countries? I wish they would be forced to lower the pay across the board so less people would be inclined to go into the auto assembly business. We both know there are a lot of highly inteligent people who spend their day putting dashboards in cars only because the money is good. What is good when they are 19 to 29 is not so good in comparison to what they would be making if they hadn't gotten sucked in by the pay early on, and by 29 in a lot of cases it's too late to do anything about it. It's personal I guess. My brother got whacked at NAP not to long ago and he was tied to the greater Norfolk area so he didn't take the relocation option. Now he's working at the shipyard in a shit job making shit pay just so he doesn't lose his house. There isn't a manufacturing job that has survived in this country. From textile to steel they have all gone away, and it's not the businesses fault as that is the natural process for any manufacturing process.

[TCAP'er]

Let the new hires eat cake I just want what's best for me, screw the other guy!

Becareful of what you said, this will come back and haunt you in a distance future, these new young workers that you said "screw'em", they will be the ones that going to vote on your retirement benefits etc..after you retired someday , and you know what they going to say about you then? you guessed it, "PAY BACK IS A BITCH"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mrballsonya]

I think some of you guys are living in an alternate reality. Would you guys rather have taken a $12 an hour pay cut to ensure that we as well as the new hires would all make $18 an hour? I'm sure Ford would've loved that deal.

 

You guys are crazy to think that Union had any chance of retaining the majority of our current wage and benefits package and also guaranteeing future plant and product investment in the US as well as maintaining a Gen program AND.... ensuring all future employees would hire in under the current unfeasible cost structure.

 

Ford stated that it would not agree to a contract that retained the current unsustainable cost structure. Something had to give, and in this case it was future workers wages and benefits. Like I said before I'm not happy about this, but I just don't see any other way around it.

 

As others on this board have stated, no one will be forcing these workers to take these $14 an hour Jobs.... I know I wouldn't. Subsequently if we had been forced into huge wage concessions, It wouldn't be worth it to stay. I think many of us on this board know that working in a factory 40 hours a week is not worth $600. Many of us have stayed in these jobs, not because we love the work... but for the good pay and benefits. Take away the perks, and I think you'd be surprised at how many good, hard working people would leave the company. Face it guys, unless things change drastically over the next ten years.... the U.S. factory worker has virtually no future. The GOOD OLE' DAYS are long gone, you can thank globalization and our "free trade loving" government for that.

Edited November 8, 2007 by mrballsonya

[Furious1Auto]

I normally don't agree with DD, but in this case I do. You say you've always supported American car companies - well, how about supporting the American autoworker that MAKES those cars - ALL of them, new-hires AND veterans?? A few years from now, when the younger workers outnumber the veterans (and FMC's going to make sure that happens as quickly as possible) - they just may vote YOUR benefits out - I mean, equality for everyone, isn't that the union way???

 

GM and Chrysler have already found out that their contract wasn't what they thought - what makes you think Ford is going to be any different??

I don't think that I have ever agreed with Dave but he is right, all of our members are being selfish if they agree to slaughter our new employee's compensation to save their own. It is just as my the babyboomers feeling that they are entitled to liberties and entitlements that we are not. I would agree to a pay cut first. And where is the management in all of this cost cutting, their just sitting back laughing at how stupid and selfish we are. I thought the AON hiring test was suppose to ensure we were all educated?

Edited November 8, 2007 by Furious1Auto

[Kimber]

I don't think that I have ever agreed with Dave but he is right, all of our members are being selfish if they agree to slaughter our new employee's compensation to save their own. It is just as my the babyboomers feeling that they are entitled to liberties and entitlements that we are not. I would agree to a pay cut first. And where is the management in all of this cost cutting, their just sitting back laughing at how stupid and selfish we are. I thought the AON hiring test was suppose to ensure we were all educated?

I think they fudged the test for quite a few people!! Managements bonuses and benefit packages are well known, publicized, so why shouldnt that have been thrown into the mix while our union was compromising not only our new hires, but our retirees, and essentually our own livelyhood. How can our union justify concessions for us, and not just once, while management and even our own international is still dipping into the old money pot unashamed. I cant imagine trying to raise a family in this economy on less than what I make now,for as hard as I work and as much damage as Ive done over the years to my body doing this type of work.I watched temps come into our plant and maybe stay a day or week and never return because of the physical demands of this job. International is out of touch with its members most definitely IMO. So far there seems to be alot of loose ends in this contract.

[dark270]

What predictions? My only predictions were for people who left the umbrella of the UAW. I dare you to find a post where I stated anything about what was to come in the contract between ford and the uaw. How can you say Ford will be fine? The market share for ford has slipped on a yearly basis and now it's starting to be taken away by GM. If they drop much more it is going to get scary. There is a buy American crowd in this country, I count myself among them. It looks like some of the buy American/ford crowd are going over to the buy american/GM team. This can't be allowed to happen. It's one thing to lose share to toyota, etc... but it's another when it's lost to GM.

 

 

HEY dipshit...economy is BOOOMING!!!

some of your shit from a year ago...yeah i dont forget!

 

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You're an idiot. You have obviously never had to work a physical day in your life. Do you know that upwards of 50% of new hires wash out in the first 2 weeks? It takes a physically and mentally strong person to come into these plants and do this work. I had a friend that used to bust my balls about how great we had it.

I got him a job.... Guess what?.... Ol' boy was crying the blues for weeks. Couldn't quit, wife and kid etc. etc. He had to suck it up.

We stay because the money is good. The average life expectancy of a retired autoworker is less than 5 years I'm sad to say. It will suck the life right out of you.

As far as China and Mexico. You better wake up. Quality out of Mexico is at an all time low. They have to send buses around the neighborhoods to pick them up, just so they'll show up for work. The turnover rate is unbelievable.

So go back to surfin' porn, playing solitare in your cubicle and have a great big glass of shut the hell up.

 

 

 

What a crock of shit. Do you want a little cheese with that whine?

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Like wise! We're getting pretty sick of breathing in all your TOXIC AIR POLLUTION blowing up

here from the U.S.

 

 

 

Why don't you go nibble on a couple of tim's bits.

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You must be URALLFUKT lost twin? or did you change your screen name? I got some more words for you to decipher Mr.URALLFUKT lost twin. YOUANDURALLFUKTCANCRAWBACKINTOYOURMOTHEFUCKENRATHOLEANDFUCKEACHOTHERTOTEARFORALL

CAREANDOHWHILEYOUATITYOUCANSUCKMYCOCKANDLICKMYBIGBALLSTOOHAHAHAYOUANDURALLFUKTAR

THEBIGGESTLOOSERSINTHEFACEOFTHISPLANETYOUINBREDFUCKLOL. Enjoy!!!

 

 

 

And just think, in a couple of months you're going to be swallowing with that mouth.

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URALLFUKT - It seems to me that while you want to be a Unionized Worker Basher and talk about how we fuck the dog and the company - you are forgetting one really important thing - We the workers do just that - WE WORK and we work for the people (our families). The Middle Management are required to Manage and they do just that but wait - what about the actual Company - they are only working for the bottom line and to line their pockets off of the backs of the Workers AND the Middle Management...case in point - let's think back to STAP about 15 years ago when a Worker had a heart attack on the line and was being dragged along by the car because he was trapped underneath it - who stopped the line??? THE UNION DID YOU STUPID DUMBASS because we are about the people. While the Company talks about meeting the bottom line they actually expected the workers to WORK AROUND a dead body. So if the Union makes a contract and the company agrees - Fuck the Company because they are lining up to Fuck Us. And Middle Management faxes turn over at the drop of a hat because they do NOT have Union Protection.

 

And if some idiot thinks that we get paid too much - they have to pay us what we do because once we are all crippled or dying from cancer from the chemicals they need to use the Pay Scale to lure more workers into destroying themselves for the good of the Company.

 

I have had at least one family member working at STAP since before I was born and that is from when the plant opened - unless you have lived with that place you have no idea what it does to you, your family and your health but I guess according to URALLFUKT we should be on our knees sucking the Company C*&K - thankful for the BIGGGGGGGGGGG Money they "give" us. All I know is that my Dad retired on the 30 and out and in the last 8 years of his retirement - not a month goes by without another one dying from cancer, liver disease or any other thing. Not bad when they are only 60. These people are dying because of Ford but I guess they should have kissed the company ass and been thankful for the 30 years of backbreaking labour they endured and every dime they had to FIGHT for because the Company sure as hell didn't offer it.

 

Go back to your little cubicle and play with your little pecker...you are NOT the big Man on this forum - the Big Men are those to go to work everyday at Ford.

 

 

 

What a total crock of shit. My dad used to have to walk 82 miles to school on one leg in the winter. You're going to find out what real jobs and market wages are soon enough.

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Dadzee, and the ever popular Davdog,

 

Do not be so quick Dadzee, lolol. I don't know how they work at the place they are hiring these replacements, but I know what goes on in an assembly plant.

 

I watched the same thing when they hired at CAP, lines, on top of lines, on top of lines to get the GRAVY as Davdog calls it...........at whatever our wages were no less at the time, not a cut rate.

 

Guess what, lololololol!!!!!! Over 80% turnover rate withing 45 days, over 90% in the first year. It is a PROVEN fact, regardless of what some try to convince you of.

 

And remember, all those new hires, all they thought about when hiring in was---------------->HOW MUCH MONEY THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE!!!!!!!

 

Let me tell you something Davdog; and this is from a fellow conservative I might add------------>we banter about how the transplants put their factorys in right to work states to avoid unions.

 

But let me tell you a possibly unintended gift they get also by doing it-------------->the people they employ in those factorys are at the top of the foodchain in pay in their region. In other words------------->more than likely, even with a college degree they could NOT make more. This makes them happy as hell.

 

I can almost promise you that IF Toyoty builds a plant anywhere in the North, they gonna have big, big, problems!!!!!

 

Remember Dav, in Mexico they pay the equivalent of 8 or 9 American dollars an hr; which means there also they are at the top of the food chain.

 

You Dav are speaking of wages payed to a regionally, captive, audience. Places where to leave and try to get another job even close is suicidal. Let us a put a transplant in New York City and see what happens, LA, or Chicago.

 

If Ford does not survive, I hope this board does...............just so when the transplants move North, I can come back to Dav and a few others, and ask them why the wages have risen with the move towards the heartland!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

Most manufacturing facilities have moved out of expensive locations years ago. I'm not going to pay the real estate costs of a NY or Chicago, never mind the cost of living expenses that exist there, in a small margin business, which is what the auto industry is becoming.

 

Competition is forcing smaller margins on the auto industry and fat companies are not going to survive.

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blah.gif but WE did not get to vote on it. and what jobs to mexico? is there a powertrain plant there?

 

 

 

Dude you probably ought to get used to people who run companies being able to tell people who work at those companies how they are going to work. Maybe you can start up a company and have the workers tell you how things are going to be.

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AWESOME

ask him if he will swap paychecks with you

or better

let the UAW ask to paid piecemeal (per actual unit)

 

 

 

Let's not forget all the overhead that comes out of that $12 a haircut. Mortgage, electricity, etc....

 

 

He's not making $48 an hour for his pocket.

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Ok dumbass... I'll put it in a different way. Bigger government = higher taxes. The union is for social programs that mostly help those that are lower class... thus even though it ends up costing us(union members) more taxes we are still for it. That's not an organization I would say is solely out for its own gain.

 

 

 

Bet you'll be glad your union supported those "lower class" people soon huh? Just what is the difference between a "lower class" person and you?

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THESE are the srticles that are truley terrifying. If this does not show you the need to get out now while the getting is good, nothing will. 4000 people applying for what amounts to half the money we make and happy to do so. This is the outcome of our governments embrace of a global economy and our populations embrace of foreign goods. The ball is big and rolling too quickly to stop.

Use your buyouts and get the heck out of FoMoCo while you can.

 

 

 

The real issue here should be that they are doing the job that people making twice as much them were doing until recently. They are probably doing it with less people also.

 

If these folks can make 30k and get some decent medical then they are doing OK for high school grads. Just because you've been sheltered from the real world for so long doesn't mean it hasn't been here.

 

UAW should be forced to pay back half of what they've earned over the last 20 years as it is obvious that they've earned twice as much as they should have.

 

What's that? Can you hear it? It sounds like a piper.

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QUOTE(dark270 @ Sep 3 2006, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

hopefully you'll end up in a DUMPSTER somewhere ...and not realize where you are or who you are

, then MAYBE then you realize how a union can be value to you...

6 -7 jobs in the last ten years ? how nice is that ?

what a joke!

 

maybe they will outsource all your jobs to india ?

 

then i will laugh at you

 

 

 

You're getting screwed because your union negotiated above market wages and ford was stupid enough to sign on the dotted line. If you make market wages you never put yourself in a postion to be at the mercy of your employer, as you are. Your union does not work, it has been heading on a road to failure since the early 80s.

 

"6 -7 jobs in the last ten years ? how nice is that ?"

 

It's better then working the same job I got out of high school with, and being stuck in it because there is no way I could make half of the pay anywhere else.

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QUOTE(Pumpmaster @ Sep 3 2006, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Managers at the Toyota plant in Princeton, IN tell their skilled trades that their pay & benefits are based on what UAW workers make. As GM, Ford, and Chrysler force the UAW into pay/benefit cuts, so will Toyota and Honda workers pay & benefits be cut---especially in the next recession. Toyota/Honda workers have no protection.

 

And even tho "nobody in government is putting us out of work," nobody in government is helping us, either.

Your government IS busy getting us killed in illegal wars, forcing religion on us, stopping stem-cell research, and fighting gay marriage. You know---all the stuff related to our jobs & livelihoods.

 

 

 

Help should arrive the day you folks work for market wages.

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Cleveland will need temps or transfers!!

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Let's see.......... They can hire a temp worker who can do just as much work, if not more, then a seasoned ford employee for $18 an hour. OR they can hire a present uaw member for $27 an hour and get all the positive benefits that will bring. That's a tough choice, on one hand you've got someone who'll work because they are sure they will lose their job if they don't and on the other you've got a present uaw member who's got a fifty percent chance that he/she will even show up on a given day, and when they do show up they'll spend half the day filing a grievance or in the nurses office. Do you really think any of these companies want to employ uaw members if they weren't forced to?

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Jesus Dark..... No one's going to read all that sh*t. I'm sure you proved your point, but WTF?

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I am from a UAW family. I feel it sucks good people in to a situation they can't get out of. With high pay, pension, etc... People who could do something else besides assemble cars, or parts for cars, end up stuck in the manufacturing business. That business is a dead end and anyone with any vision in the UAW should tell the members that. How can manual labor jobs possibly compete with low wage foriegn countries? I wish they would be forced to lower the pay across the board so less people would be inclined to go into the auto assembly business. We both know there are a lot of highly inteligent people who spend their day putting dashboards in cars only because the money is good. What is good when they are 19 to 29 is not so good in comparison to what they would be making if they hadn't gotten sucked in by the pay early on, and by 29 in a lot of cases it's too late to do anything about it. It's personal I guess. My brother got whacked at NAP not to long ago and he was tied to the greater Norfolk area so he didn't take the relocation option. Now he's working at the shipyard in a shit job making shit pay just so he doesn't lose his house. There isn't a manufacturing job that has survived in this country. From textile to steel they have all gone away, and it's not the businesses fault as that is the natural process for any manufacturing process.

 

You make excellent points, but let's see action. One thing we can ALL do is read the labels on the products we buy. If it's made in China- I don't need it.

 

America made China, India, Japan, etal into the filthy rich countries they are today. We can choose to turn it around and stop buying their products.

 

I realize that purchasing products from China is dang near impossible to avoid. But, I don't give them any dollars that I don't absolutely have to.

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I scrolled down to the bottom and I see this. I state that ford can get someone to do your job for $18 an hour. I guess I was wrong because you guys told ford they can get someone for $14 an hour.

 

How is it that a year and a half after first hearing you state you were finishing up your degree and moving on I now hear you asking all sorts of questions about flowing back into the ford system. I guess you were just full of shit huh? That masters degree of yours must be done by now right? You once stated that you make 40k at the ACH plant you work at and you couldn't wait to get out because with a masters degree in computer science you would easily double your pay. Now it's a year and a half later and your still there so who is it again that's full of shit? You used to give fellow ford employees so much shit and I'm sure a lot of the old time posters remember it, and I don't mean your normal political shit but shit that you were finishing up your degree and so much better then all them and you weren't going to take ford's shit much longer. I guess you are huh?

 

 

 

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Let's see.......... They can hire a temp worker who can do just as much work, if not more, then a seasoned ford employee for $18 an hour. OR they can hire a present uaw member for $27 an hour and get all the positive benefits that will bring. That's a tough choice, on one hand you've got someone who'll work because they are sure they will lose their job if they don't and on the other you've got a present uaw member who's got a fifty percent chance that he/she will even show up on a given day, and when they do show up they'll spend half the day filing a grievance or in the nurses office. Do you really think any of these companies want to employ uaw members if they weren't forced to?