dunkin Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 the day after the contract was signed we found out the company is working toolmakers and tinners on projects at the rouge complex and paying them with gen or jsp money. this keeps those workers in jsp or gen working on their 24 month limit and also prevents any possible opennings in those classifications. ANYBODY OUT THER GOT ANY MORE INFO ABOUT THIS ????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 the day after the contract was signed we found out the company is working toolmakers and tinners on projects at the rouge complex and paying them with gen or jsp money. this keeps those workers in jsp or gen working on their 24 month limit and also prevents any possible opennings in those classifications. ANYBODY OUT THER GOT ANY MORE INFO ABOUT THIS ????????????? The contract does not get signed officially until Monday!!! I have heard something about this, but do not remember the details!! They can only use these employees on non trad work assignments! Also, if they are needed for project work and brought back into the plant, they are no longer getting paid out of JSP. There is no limit on JSP either!!! If there are no opportunities then a employee can stay in JSP for the life of the agreement. Having them in JSP limits opening is also false....openings occur when someone is either fired, retired or dead and they get replaced 1 for 1. This JSP/ GEN action happened before the agreement and there for does not pertain to the 1 for 1 hiring action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunkin Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 The contract does not get signed officially until Monday!!! I have heard something about this, but do not remember the details!! They can only use these employees on non trad work assignments! Also, if they are needed for project work and brought back into the plant, they are no longer getting paid out of JSP. There is no limit on JSP either!!! If there are no opportunities then a employee can stay in JSP for the life of the agreement. Having them in JSP limits opening is also false....openings occur when someone is either fired, retired or dead and they get replaced 1 for 1. This JSP/ GEN action happened before the agreement and there for does not pertain to the 1 for 1 hiring action. they are working in their trade and they are getting paid from gen (jsp) funds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 they are working in their trade and they are getting paid from gen (jsp) funds FYI.....if they are working within their trade they are not getting paid out of GEN!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justhefacts Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 FYI.....if they are working within their trade they are not getting paid out of GEN!!! OH SNAP CAP!! You my friend are so wrong...they are working in their field & they are getting paid outta GEN/JSP the DT&DP is calling it a Temporary Action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 OH SNAP CAP!! You my friend are so wrong...they are working in their field & they are getting paid outta GEN/JSP the DT&DP is calling it a Temporary Action. I would venture an Opinion but I'm afraid I might get timeout. LOL ! But I heard a guy who heard a guy who thought that if a trade were in JSP/GEN, and there was a slot , the high in GEn would get it. But thats the protected status for you. Potentially keep a lower sen. working, though "temporaryly", and prevent a higher sen. from moving in. Of course this is just a daydream and couldnt happen for Real. But please do carry on.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VDTRANSMAN Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 I would venture an Opinion but I'm afraid I might get timeout. LOL ! But I heard a guy who heard a guy who thought that if a trade were in JSP/GEN, and there was a slot , the high in GEn would get it. But thats the protected status for you. Potentially keep a lower sen. working, though "temporaryly", and prevent a higher sen. from moving in. Of course this is just a daydream and couldnt happen for Real. But please do carry on.......... What in the hell are you talking about? You lost me there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsnow Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 (edited) The Tool and Die Plant has been doing this for awhile now. We were laid off last Christmas(2006) on the last day before the holiday. After the New Year we were called back to be placed throughout the Rouge by filling bids, bumping members and those vacated by the buy-outs. Thus the low man in the Rouge Tool and Die Unit where ever he or she was working got then bumped to GEN. Not all of the laid off Die makers were placed. Those that were not placed, stayed in GEN and were then taken out and put back as the building needed them. The whole time being paid with GEN funds. The Tool and Die Plant manager (Terry Henning) seems to have ticked off the other plant managers in the Rouge with his taking guys and putting them back in GEN, seems by lying off all his guys the low people were being bumped out of the other buildings and upsetting the status quo. The other buildings then have to train the people to do the jobs that the ones that left were doing. Edited December 1, 2007 by Gsnow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunkin Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 FYI.....if they are working within their trade they are not getting paid out of GEN!!! your wrong they are working in their trade and being paid with gen funds. go to the truck plant body shop and ask the tinners yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunkin Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 OH SNAP CAP!! You my friend are so wrong...they are working in their field & they are getting paid outta GEN/JSP the DT&DP is calling it a Temporary Action. temporary or not it still is a contract violation!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunkin Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 The contract does not get signed officially until Monday!!! I have heard something about this, but do not remember the details!! They can only use these employees on non trad work assignments! Also, if they are needed for project work and brought back into the plant, they are no longer getting paid out of JSP. There is no limit on JSP either!!! If there are no opportunities then a employee can stay in JSP for the life of the agreement. Having them in JSP limits opening is also false....openings occur when someone is either fired, retired or dead and they get replaced 1 for 1. This JSP/ GEN action happened before the agreement and there for does not pertain to the 1 for 1 hiring action. if they get two job offers in 24 mo. your time in jsp is terminated at least the money part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 OH SNAP CAP!! You my friend are so wrong...they are working in their field & they are getting paid outta GEN/JSP the DT&DP is calling it a Temporary Action. Look asswhipe...they can call it whatever the fk they want! They are not getting paid out of GEN and working in the plant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSP_M/R Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 Here at the Maumee Facility, they are working 3 MW on the floor and paying them out of GEN so openings flow into the plant. Is it right? No, but it allows them an oppurtunity for transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VDTRANSMAN Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 Here at the Maumee Facility, they are working 3 MW on the floor and paying them out of GEN so openings flow into the plant. Is it right? No, but it allows them an oppurtunity for transfer. They did it at Van Dyke also. They used people in GEN for medical replacements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 Here at the Maumee Facility, they are working 3 MW on the floor and paying them out of GEN so openings flow into the plant. Is it right? No, but it allows them an oppurtunity for transfer. Maumee, I don't think I would argue that violation you guys are playing it to get first opportunity. Still doesn't make it right and it should be stopped!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 They did it at Van Dyke also. They used people in GEN for medical replacements. Using them as replacement for medical is different!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodhaven44 Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 Look asswhipe...they can call it whatever the fk they want! They are not getting paid out of GEN and working in the plant! It's also been done at Woodhaven Stamping in the past. Machine Repair in GEN were put back on the floor to backfill vacancies, and were paid out of GEN funds. The people that are in GEN are in a GEN DROT, so it's easy to see how they get paid, ASSWIPE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 (edited) FYI.....if they are working within their trade they are not getting paid out of GEN!!! Captain it is time to stop using the term GEN, it is not only possible but has and will happen again. When Lorain/Avon consolidated their were GEN people working production and getting paid out of the GEN fund, if these people worked overtime they received two checks instead of one! The use the JSP money to offset the their production costs. What they told these people was that they were "training" but it went on for 4 months and these people already knew the jobs because they had been doing them for a couple of years in Lorain before the transfer of operations! The company is just keeping them off rolls so that they can force them to refuse offers and potentially sever their employment, and to operate within the facility budget when extra man power is needed! it looks like! They either need to put then on rolls or not utilize them period! Edited December 2, 2007 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrballsonya Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 (edited) Look asswhipe...they can call it whatever the fk they want! They are not getting paid out of GEN and working in the plant! WOW!!! Somehow you're all knowing. What a powerful trait to posses, I'm jealous. I have to ask though, How do you do it? How can you possibly know what everyone, everywhere is doing? Do you have security cameras and microphones placed in every conceivable location? If so, how did you set up such an elaborate surveillance network? Where did you get the funding for your "Big Brother" network? How do you find the time to monitor and review all the recorded material from you're clandestine network? Of course, all of the aforementioned questions are assuming you're a mortal man and not some type of GOD. If you are a GOD, by all means disregard all the questions and please, please, don't reign lightning bolts down upon my house for questioning your omnipotence. Fortunately for me, I tend to believe that a GOD would know the correct spelling of the popular slang term asswipe. Well... since seemingly I don't have to worry about any freakish lightning strike repercussions, I guess I can call you out for the fraud you are. Since you're not a God, you must be the most egotistic, portentous person to ever post here on BON. Make sure you give yourself a pat on the back, after all you deserve it. Not many people can lay claim to the fact of being the BEST at something. All hail CAPTAIN723, The biggest Know-It-All on the Blue Oval Network. Edited December 2, 2007 by mrballsonya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butthead Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 Hey Ball's, Good to see you getting back in shape. I've always wanted to be a know it all and you just gave me a glimpse as to what I need. First thing I need is to create a persona that I am someone who is a leader so I will be changing my moniker from Haywire Butthead to Commander and Chief. Second, You always need trust worthy Friends to help give you creditability and third, You need to be able to call someone a name to try to discredit and put your subjects in their place. Take 723 for example he really doesn't deserve to be Captain because he leads nothing hence the 723 is all I can muster. He often tries to offend people but it is no more than an child's game of name calling. Lastly, I need help with the third. I don't care for most of the so called put down phrases so I'm going to have to work on it. Got any ideas. Heard a vicious rumor that some tin knockers at your old stomping grounds are working at a church while in gen. The problem is that their plant needed work done in the paint shop and they were asked if they wanted to go back to complete the task. The story goes that they said NO and that the plant had to hire OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS to do the job. Now the good part while the plant was calling back volunteers from the likes of the Salvation Army these 4 souls were busy working on a church project doing all kinds of trades work. I can't believe they have such a greater need at that private church facility than the need of the poor and homeless. I also have a hard time believing that some high level company exec. or a HIGHLY PLACED UNION OFFICIAL would compromise their integrity by protecting and using company resources in such a way. I can understand you not wanting to comment and that fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 What in the hell are you talking about? You lost me there. Sorry just a teaser from another thread in case the likes of Level, Captain, or wakeup show up and hammer everyone with Asswipe comments. :poke: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 Captain it is time to stop using the term GEN, it is not only possible but has and will happen again. When Lorain/Avon consolidated their were GEN people working production and getting paid out of the GEN fund, if these people worked overtime they received two checks instead of one! The use the JSP money to offset the their production costs. What they told these people was that they were "training" but it went on for 4 months and these people already knew the jobs because they had been doing them for a couple of years in Lorain before the transfer of operations! The company is just keeping them off rolls so that they can force them to refuse offers and potentially sever their employment, and to operate within the facility budget when extra man power is needed! it looks like! They either need to put then on rolls or not utilize them period! Thanks for the correction Furious...but GEN will remain until Monday the official signing!! Noted for future though. Thanks! Working OT is something that the Local CHairperson has worked out at the ROUGE....great for them. Nice job Chair, but to fully untilize them in the plant on 40 hrs while collecting sub is a violation!! So I agree with you (WOW)...either put them on rolls or leave them in GEN!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 Hey Ball's,Good to see you getting back in shape. I've always wanted to be a know it all and you just gave me a glimpse as to what I need. First thing I need is to create a persona that I am someone who is a leader so I will be changing my moniker from Haywire Butthead to Commander and Chief. Second, You always need trust worthy Friends to help give you creditability and third, You need to be able to call someone a name to try to discredit and put your subjects in their place. Take 723 for example he really doesn't deserve to be Captain because he leads nothing hence the 723 is all I can muster. He often tries to offend people but it is no more than an child's game of name calling. Lastly, I need help with the third. I don't care for most of the so called put down phrases so I'm going to have to work on it. Got any ideas. Heard a vicious rumor that some tin knockers at your old stomping grounds are working at a church while in gen. The problem is that their plant needed work done in the paint shop and they were asked if they wanted to go back to complete the task. The story goes that they said NO and that the plant had to hire OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS to do the job. Now the good part while the plant was calling back volunteers from the likes of the Salvation Army these 4 souls were busy working on a church project doing all kinds of trades work. I can't believe they have such a greater need at that private church facility than the need of the poor and homeless. I also have a hard time believing that some high level company exec. or a HIGHLY PLACED UNION OFFICIAL would compromise their integrity by protecting and using company resources in such a way. I can understand you not wanting to comment and that fine. Hey, butthead and your obvious good friend his balls on you.....These guys were in GEN doing none trad work and volunteering for the Church. That is their choice and I am sure that they didn't offer to bring these guys off of GEN status to work in the plant. Why would they....I see no problem serving God in these ways! They could have just sat in GEN and played cards all day. I commend these guys. Force the company to put them back on rolls or shove it! I don't name call you fk...oops!! Sorry! May lightning miss you, just hope your good buddy and his balls are not on you when he gets struck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLORD Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 :shades: You have all missed the point. The international/region/local reps and appointees made out like a bandit this contract. Thank God the International has thier own pay/benefit/retirement protection. Thats all they were going for this contract. Had they not got thier bread buttered on bothsides, they would have walked us out until they did. There is much more shit coming down the pipe. Hang on! SOLIDARITY, NOT SUBORDINATION ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 :shades: You have all missed the point. The international/region/local reps and appointees made out like a bandit this contract. Thank God the International has thier own pay/benefit/retirement protection. Thats all they were going for this contract. Had they not got thier bread buttered on bothsides, they would have walked us out until they did. There is much more shit coming down the pipe. Hang on! SOLIDARITY, NOT SUBORDINATION ! Oh great one, please tell us why they made out... :bowdown: ....what part of the contract did they benefit from?? Please explain so all the rest of us will know!! Our Negotiators worked their asses off to make sure that we all maintain our wages and jobs in the future!! Without their hard work you would be blogging at you new job...the McDonalds forum!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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