dork270 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 oh thanks, make fun of a ford worker, yet you supposedly support us...nope dont think so.. hope your ugly ass chokes on the food. lying hypocrite. oh buy ford, but lineworker ass.....whatever dumbfuck! You got to hijack every thread Dork? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 You got to hijack every thread Dork? yes, what about you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VDTRANSMAN Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Why would a Ford ee drive a '92 ANYTHING? I'll repeat: if he/she is getting a Ford paycheck or pension check, they need to buy/drive Ford. Even used. Why would a Ford ee drive a 92 anything? Well....because I keep two vehicles. One new and one beater. Beater for work, back roads, off roads, hunting ect ect. I dont care for it much when my wet, muddy, bloody, bird dog jumps in my 30K vehicle. Then there is the issue of fiscal responsibility. I will continue to stuff MY pockets with cash rather than some jackass overpaid CEO's pockets. My question is why would any Ford ee drive a NEW vehicle to work? So you can leave 30K in the parking lot all day while idiots dent the door while getting in and out of their car? Or quite possibly because you enjoy what seagull shit baking in the sun does to the paint? As I already stated, I have never owned anything other than a Ford. I dont buy used vehicles. I buy new FORD vehicles and drive them forever. The wife on the otherhand gets a new one every two - three years. But.....if I were to buy a used vehicle I really dont see how it matters much what nameplate it is when Ford isn't going to turn a profit from the sale either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) Why would a Ford ee drive a 92 anything? Well....because I keep two vehicles. One new and one beater. Beater for work, back roads, off roads, hunting ect ect. I dont care for it much when my wet, muddy, bloody, bird dog jumps in my 30K vehicle. Then there is the issue of fiscal responsibility. I will continue to stuff MY pockets with cash rather than some jackass overpaid CEO's pockets. My question is why would any Ford ee drive a NEW vehicle to work? So you can leave 30K in the parking lot all day while idiots dent the door while getting in and out of their car? Or quite possibly because you enjoy what seagull shit baking in the sun does to the paint? As I already stated, I have never owned anything other than a Ford. I dont buy used vehicles. I buy new FORD vehicles and drive them forever. The wife on the otherhand gets a new one every two - three years. But.....if I were to buy a used vehicle I really dont see how it matters much what nameplate it is when Ford isn't going to turn a profit from the sale either way. I see what you are saying. Ford is not in the used car business. It is the impression that you leave with other people that is important. There is nothing that screams out louder that Ford cars are no good than seeing a Ford employee driving a non Ford car. If you want to drive a beater, at least make it a Ford beater. I love old Ford pick-ups. They never go out of style, and they last forever. Get yourself one of those for your hunting. Dogs love them too. Edited December 14, 2007 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dork270 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Empty words from an IIIRWM. Typical. Just a question. I figured if you were not a Right wing con. , you must be a left wing nut! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellcat_F6F Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 I take just as much offense to someone driving a Mexican made "Ford" as I do to someone driving an American made "import". The argument that the Hecho en Mexico Fusion contains alot of US made parts is fine..but if you accept that, you have to take into account that over 70% of a Honda Accord, for example, is U.S. sourced. Anything UAW built is fine with me...a Ford should be looked at first if possible, but Ford doesn't have a product for everyone...and let's not get started on the God-awful Ford dealers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 No. If you're getting a Ford pay or pension check, or you work for a Ford supplier, then buy/drive a Ford. Even a used one. Plain and simple people don't like being told what to do or what to buy, but some lack the intelligence to understand or lack the capacity to care. It will take them the fate of the closing plants to realize how poor the choices they have made were. Their is no loyalty or comittment at all in the coming generations! I have read posts from those who are in the process of losing their jobs at Ford and the responses from employee's who think their safe. I cannot believe how some still feel that they are entitled to more than those losing, God Bless trades and ACH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMW Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 The UAW negotiated all the great pay and benefits we make so we can live well, but Ford is the company I work for and who pays those good wages. I will not buy a non-Ford/non UAW product. I've seen a lot of comments here about Ford not making the vehicle someone needs. I think Ford makes any thing you need, it just may not be what you want. To a customer that's important, they are who Ford has to please and entice into buying a product. IF a Ford worker can't find a new vehicle he can live with, or doesn't want to spend $25-30 K on something he is not totally happy with, then buy a used ford to drive to work and show support for the company that pays the bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpmaster Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 The UAW negotiated all the great pay and benefits we make so we can live well, but Ford is the company I work for and who pays those good wages. I will not buy a non-Ford/non UAW product. I've seen a lot of comments here about Ford not making the vehicle someone needs. I think Ford makes any thing you need, it just may not be what you want. To a customer that's important, they are who Ford has to please and entice into buying a product. IF a Ford worker can't find a new vehicle he can live with, or doesn't want to spend $25-30 K on something he is not totally happy with, then buy a used ford to drive to work and show support for the company that pays the bills. You got it, bro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpmaster Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Why would a Ford ee drive a 92 anything? Well....because I keep two vehicles. One new and one beater. Beater for work, back roads, off roads, hunting ect ect. I dont care for it much when my wet, muddy, bloody, bird dog jumps in my 30K vehicle. Then there is the issue of fiscal responsibility. I will continue to stuff MY pockets with cash rather than some jackass overpaid CEO's pockets. My question is why would any Ford ee drive a NEW vehicle to work? So you can leave 30K in the parking lot all day while idiots dent the door while getting in and out of their car? Or quite possibly because you enjoy what seagull shit baking in the sun does to the paint? As I already stated, I have never owned anything other than a Ford. I dont buy used vehicles. I buy new FORD vehicles and drive them forever. The wife on the otherhand gets a new one every two - three years. But.....if I were to buy a used vehicle I really dont see how it matters much what nameplate it is when Ford isn't going to turn a profit from the sale either way. We're almost on the same page here, except: 1) I agree I don't wanna line "some jackass overpaid CEO's pockets," either. Fuck him---I'm driving a new Focus to support myself, my family, and my coworkers. 2) Are ALL your coworkers so inconsiderate that they dent your car? Damn. (I park about half way out in our hourly lot; never had a problem). Is the seagull shit really THAT bad? I drive a new Ford daily 'cause I want family, friends, & neighbors to see that I believe in what I help make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmacmustang Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 This does not really apply to Assembly plants for the most part but on the engineering side of the street most of the cars are non Ford because many of the test people and engineers don't work for Ford, they are contract workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe money please Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 I take just as much offense to someone driving a Mexican made "Ford" as I do to someone driving an American made "import". The argument that the Hecho en Mexico Fusion contains alot of US made parts is fine..but if you accept that, you have to take into account that over 70% of a Honda Accord, for example, is U.S. sourced. Anything UAW built is fine with me...a Ford should be looked at first if possible, but Ford doesn't have a product for everyone...and let's not get started on the God-awful Ford dealers. Time to pull your head out of your ass, Ford made in Mexico, Ford made in USA, Ford made in Canada We are all North Americans. Do we not all desire a decent job? a decent car? It is a Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellcat_F6F Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Time to pull your head out of your ass, Ford made in Mexico, Ford made in USA, Ford made in Canada We are all North Americans. Do we not all desire a decent job? a decent car? It is a Ford. Ford made in Mexico..Ford outsourcing jobs makes you happy? You want to support THAT? Sorry bud, but I don't. BTW, if somebody in Mexico is the same as me, then isn't someone in Japan, Korea, or China the same too? Trying to see your logic here...you're saying everyone who lives on the American continent is the same, because, what, we're all human? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
end of time Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Time to pull your head out of your ass, Ford made in Mexico, Ford made in USA, Ford made in Canada We are all North Americans. Do we not all desire a decent job? a decent car? It is a Ford. :shades: take your blinders off. The standard of living of mexican workers has gone down since nafta. Ford/GM/ and the rest of the companys are not a good place to work as compared to jobs in the USA. I will only buy a ford made by UAW in the USA. And I hope the rest of you who chose to buy made in mexico realize you are selling not only your company but your country and your kids future down the drain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellcat_F6F Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I'd like to know how many people here, who think a Mexican built Ford is just another Ford, would like to switch jobs with the people down there? Ford sending jobs down there (and yeah, I know Ford has been there for 80 yrs or whatever) is NOT something we should support. Ford is doing what every other company does there...they are exploiting the cheap labor. Working for Ford is no fun HERE..imagine what it must be like there...working for squat. Those cars, Fusion, Milan, Zephyr/MKZ or whatever the fuck they call it, being built down there (and Ford U.S./Canada employees buying them) is a slap at everyone here, especially the people from Wixom, or Atlanta, or any other plant that Ford closed, that could have built those cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrballsonya Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 (edited) Those cars, Fusion, Milan, Zephyr/MKZ or whatever the fuck they call it, being built down there (and Ford U.S./Canada employees buying them) is a slap at everyone here, especially the people from Wixom, or Atlanta, or any other plant that Ford closed, that could have built those cars. :beerchug: I agree. Ford knew the writing was on the wall at some of the U.S. plants due to stale outdated products, yet they still decided to invest a Billion dollars, and give a hot new product to Mexico (Fusion). Ford management made these decisions knowing full well, that contractually they would still have to pay all the displaced US plant workers Full Pay, to produce nothing (G.E.N). I realize that our Mexican counterparts make about a 1/5th of what we do, but I also believe it takes aprox. double the amount of Mexican workers to equal the productivity of an equivalent U.S. plant. So if we couple the productivity issue along with fact that Ford still has to pay all its displaced U.S. workers Full Pay, the decision to produce the Fusion in Mexico just seems totally moronic. I'm glad for Fords sake that the Fusion Triplets have been such a success, but I will never consider buying one given the reasons above. I don't fault anyone for buying one though, after all.... every sale helps out Ford, and eventually I like to think that a healthier Ford might one day provide me with a job again. Edited December 18, 2007 by mrballsonya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrballsonya Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 (edited) I hate Minivans, but having 4 small kids, my wife supposedly can't live without one. I sure wish Ford still made one, I hate giving my money to Chrysler every two years (but at least the Caravan is made by my UAW or CAW counterparts). It really is ashame that I get the A-plan from Ford, yet I have to beg a Chrysler employee for a crappy friends and family #. Edited December 18, 2007 by mrballsonya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnut69 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I'd like to know how many people here, who think a Mexican built Ford is just another Ford, would like to switch jobs with the people down there? Ford sending jobs down there (and yeah, I know Ford has been there for 80 yrs or whatever) is NOT something we should support. Ford is doing what every other company does there...they are exploiting the cheap labor. Working for Ford is no fun HERE..imagine what it must be like there...working for squat. Those cars, Fusion, Milan, Zephyr/MKZ or whatever the fuck they call it, being built down there (and Ford U.S./Canada employees buying them) is a slap at everyone here, especially the people from Wixom, or Atlanta, or any other plant that Ford closed, that could have built those cars. what if we had a law in place that said that american companies operating outside the u.s. had to pay wages and benefits comensurate with the final market for the product,rather than the labor market rate of the country where the production takes place? thats really the problem the way i see it. buying labor in a 3rd world market and producing a product to be sold in the largest and most affluent market in the world. just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpmaster Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 :beerchug: I agree. Ford knew the writing was on the wall at some of the U.S. plants due to stale outdated products, yet they still decided to invest a Billion dollars, and give a hot new product to Mexico (Fusion). Ford management made these decisions knowing full well, that contractually they would still have to pay all the displaced US plant workers Full Pay, to produce nothing (G.E.N). I realize that our Mexican counterparts make about a 1/5th of what we do, but I also believe it takes aprox. double the amount of Mexican workers to equal the productivity of an equivalent U.S. plant. So if we couple the productivity issue along with fact that Ford still has to pay all its displaced U.S. workers Full Pay, the decision to produce the Fusion in Mexico just seems totally moronic. I'm glad for Fords sake that the Fusion Triplets have been such a success, but I will never consider buying one given the reasons above. I don't fault anyone for buying one though, after all.... every sale helps out Ford, and eventually I like to think that a healthier Ford might one day provide me with a job again. Well said as always, Mr. Balls! And again, the V6 in the Fusion triplets is UAW/Ford built. So for people who just can't stomach a Focus or a Taurus...................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionj Posted December 18, 2007 Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 what if we had a law in place that said that american companies operating outside the u.s. had to pay wages and benefits comensurate with the final market for the product,rather than the labor market rate of the country where the production takes place? thats really the problem the way i see it. buying labor in a 3rd world market and producing a product to be sold in the largest and most affluent market in the world. just my opinion. Then you would have the same result as the Merchant Marine industry. US law states that any American flagged vessel must be crewed by US merchant Mariners Unions. What ended up happening was too many slugs were protected by the Union and thus the shipping companies were spending $$$ on people who were basically useless to them so they all moved out and reflagged the ships in foreign countries. It basically is similar to the apprentice program pushing people through the program that have no clue and then having to pay another person to fix problems said person should be able to fix thus costing twice as much in manpower. The Maritime Unions were teaching the answers to questions on the Coast gaurd exams for document's and license's thus creating it's own monster and downfall. So be careful what you wish for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnut69 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Then you would have the same result as the Merchant Marine industry. US law states that any American flagged vessel must be crewed by US merchant Mariners Unions. What ended up happening was too many slugs were protected by the Union and thus the shipping companies were spending $$$ on people who were basically useless to them so they all moved out and reflagged the ships in foreign countries.It basically is similar to the apprentice program pushing people through the program that have no clue and then having to pay another person to fix problems said person should be able to fix thus costing twice as much in manpower. The Maritime Unions were teaching the answers to questions on the Coast gaurd exams for document's and license's thus creating it's own monster and downfall. So be careful what you wish for. i dont see the correaltion at all. im saying use the same mex. workers but if the product is sold in the us market pay,not uaw wages,i guess,but the average manufacturing wage in the us. either way the end result would be that american market products would be more likely to be made here.in fact apply this rule to any company marketing products in the us thru the use of tariffs. somewhat protectionist,i would say, but do you have a better suggestion ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionj Posted December 18, 2007 Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 I guess the next question is are you ready to pay $75 for your jeans instead of $30? You can't get people to buy American now but I guess if you force higher prices on everyone then they have no choice. I will say this, with the dollar getting weaker on the world market it makes our labor costs and goods cheaper. The British are already flying from London to NY for 1 day shopping trips due to the exchange rate. The world is shrinking so I do not beleive an easy answer is at hand but those that voted for NAFTA sould never get the endorsement of a labor union and we all know how that went! Vote for a guy who sent your jobs to Mexico! It is up to the people and only the people, the consumers are the only ones who can change the current situation. Politicians no matter what club they belong to or what group of ring knockers they belong will not do it as you and I cannot line there pockets like corporations can and corporations follow buying habits and presently that is cheapest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I guess the next question is are you ready to pay $75 for your jeans instead of $30? I only pay $35 for my jeans, and they are made in the U.S.A. from materials also made in the U.S.A. http://www.gussetjeans.com/madenusa.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellcat_F6F Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 what if we had a law in place that said that american companies operating outside the u.s. had to pay wages and benefits comensurate with the final market for the product,rather than the labor market rate of the country where the production takes place? That would be A-OK with me. Also, that brings up another problem with Ford, and anybody else who sells vehicles here for that matter..WHY is it that the cheaply built Mexican cars don't cost DRAMATICALLY less than those built in the U.S. or Canada? Ford isn't passing the savings along to the consumer..so why does it benefit the consumer to buy a car built there? For all the consumer knows or cares, that Fusion could have been built at Wixom. A consumer, who also happens to be a Ford employee, is only shooting him or herself in the foot by buying that Mexican built Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionj Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 (edited) The consumer does not matter! You and I matter when it comes to the price, that is upper managements job to ensure the company and stock prices get back where they should be. Profit is the name of the game not giving the public a hand out! Did you complain about the amount of your last profit sharing check? Perhaps we should cut the consumer a better deal and take it out of your cut? I only worded this reply to show a point not to offend. Edited December 19, 2007 by unionj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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