Ford Motor Company Sales: January 2008

[RichardJensen]

Silly?

Yes. Silly. The public at large would never equate the Fox Mustang with the '57 Chevy, and it doesn't matter what the Mustang community considers the Fox Mustang.

 

Frankly, the comparison between the 5.0 & the 283 is much much more believable.

[RichardJensen]

It's supposed to be a vent, therefore it's being marketed to the "boy racer" ricer crowd.

 

Absolute BS

There you go. It's a decoration, and you have the nerve to get all belligerent when you're agreeing with me?

 

Also, who said you couldn't come here? Not me. You can come here all you want. Just realize that you have no business questioning anyone else's motives for coming here.

 

Because your motives for bellyaching are just as questionable as anyone else's.

[RichardJensen]

630land sees himself the same way you see yourself, blueblood, and that's why I say people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[ray101988]

That is subjective and I quite prefer the new model over the pervious, as does the people that shop the market. And yes the SYNC is helping all models it is an option on. I imagine that is why Ford offered it on the models with the least volume first with the exception of the Focus. The Focus and SYNC target the same market, so it is obvious why it was offered in it first! I'll bet the F-150 gets a SYNC option last, That being said I will have to wait for my new pick-up till after the redesign, and after the SYNC is available as an option in it! American Idol is currently under way and you can bet that the SYNC commercials are resonating with the public! What a great marketing campaign to show off the "New Ford"!

 

The 2009 F150 is going to have SYNC.

[mustang_sallad]

Whilst I accept Land Rover is down in th USA it's still just smashed it's sales records globally. The LR2 is doing extremely well in Europe. Also Jag has aleady taken thousands of pre-orders for the XF but those figures are not shown. Only the outgoing S type and X type is shown in the USA. There is no spin there, just FACTS.

 

Now spin your way out of a 16.8% drop in Lincolns sales. I'm quite happy to see Lincoln supporters spin me their global numbers...... Anyone want to compare Lincoln's number to Land Rover's???? Come on it's easy, Lincoln make volume premium sellers like the "town car" or what ever it's called and Land Rover make niche models.... surely Lincoln could outsell Land Rover.....

 

 

RE: notion that since Jag/LR ain't doin well in America, they most definitely should be sold.

 

 

Ford of Europe sales have just TANKED in north america, I don't know why FoMoCo doesn't just sell the whole operation to TATA.

[TStag]

Whilst I accept Land Rover is down in th USA it's still just smashed it's sales records globally. The LR2 is doing extremely well in Europe. Also Jag has aleady taken thousands of pre-orders for the XF but those figures are not shown. Only the outgoing S type and X type is shown in the USA. There is no spin there, just FACTS.

 

Now spin your way out of a 16.8% drop in Lincolns sales. I'm quite happy to see Lincoln supporters spin me their global numbers...... Anyone want to compare Lincoln's number to Land Rover's???? Come on it's easy, Lincoln make volume premium sellers like the "town car" or what ever it's called and Land Rover make niche models.... surely Lincoln could outsell Land Rover.....

 

..does no one want to defend Lincoln's collapsing TOTAL sales? Come one let's compare Land Rover's total International figures to Lincoln's.... quite happy to debate this one...... ooooh the sound of silence.....

[Blueblood]

Jackass, what don't you understand? I said it was a good basis to make a great car...why should I worry about adding something to a car to make it stiffer, when it should come from the factory like that for crying out loud? Hell even the SN95 sucked..I couldn't open up the doors on my car when I had it jacked up...

 

 

WTH, it's not like they are necessary, but they help a lot, before cars were designed by computers all cars were much less stiff then cars of today, doesn't take anything away from them, that's just how things were. Was the Model T a piece of crap because it didn't have ABS and an ECM? I'm sorry you bought wrecked car, I could open the doors fine on my Fox jacked on one corner before I put subframe connectors on it.

 

With a modified Mustang right?

 

 

No, with a stone stock 86 Mustang, which happened to be the fastest car sold in this country at the time with the exception of a few expensive exotics. The 86 through 93 cars were always faster than the Camaro's, it wasn't until the Camaro's got the LT1 engines that they became faster and Ford put out the SN95 pigs. Jesus Christ, the 5.0's are legendary, it's mind boggling that anyone on a Ford site can make the claims you're making. A friend of mine bought a 86 GT and in the late 80's he used to drive around racing everything that pulled up next to us, he never lost a race, the only car that could put up a fight was a 911. The 80's Camaro's were slow pigs, my 86 was a lightweight stripper, roll up windows, manual everything, didn't even have a rear defroster, the only option the car had was ac. I still remember driving it the day I got it and being amazed at how powerful and fast the thing was bone stock, I shut a lot of my Chevy loving friends up after a quick blast down the street in that thing. Just what were you doing in the 80's that you missed the entire Ford vs. Chevy war???

 

 

Theres a difference between being a negatard like you and point out faults in a car that has had 20 years or so looking back on though rosed colored glasses like you are

 

Nope, a huge double standard as I said, you guys can't even stop bringing the Panthers in every thread on this site, even when nobody else has even said anything about them, and I don't think I've heard heard somebody ask if the Panther mafia wants Ford to completely modernize and update them. I don't think anybody wants them to keep the 16 year old styling, the huge overhangs, or the dated interior, most people probably want Ford to turn into something like the G8. It's the last RWD V8 sedan Ford makes, of course people are going to hang onto them, do you expect people that have been drioving laerge RWD V8's their whole lives to buy FWD Taurus's? Would you trash the Interceptor if Ford built it? I would consider it a good Panther replacement. Ford can make the best cars in the world here if they choose, they are doing it in Europe, when we see Ford management screw over their most loyal fans, their techs, their dealers, their employees, damn right people have a right to be pissed. It's never the executives who make millions a year who get shafted, in the car business, it takes years to turn things around, so you see year after year of criticism. And thank God we have critics, if everybody didn't stive to be #1 we'd have Ford still run by Nasser, the Taurus would still be the same one sold in 2000, we wouldn't have sync, the Flex, GRWD, the Fiesta, etc. And the Edge wouldn't have had the improvements made to the hatch that Mulally ordered after Consumer Reports criticized it'as design. Is Mulally a "negatard"???

[Blueblood]

Yes. Silly. The public at large would never equate the Fox Mustang with the '57 Chevy, and it doesn't matter what the Mustang community considers the Fox Mustang.

 

Frankly, the comparison between the 5.0 & the 283 is much much more believable.

 

Dude, that's way outside the Mustang community, in all car communities the car has respect, the 5.0's are legendary. I can't believe you're denying something that's widely known.

 

What kind of car do you drive BTW?

[Blueblood]

There you go. It's a decoration, and you have the nerve to get all belligerent when you're agreeing with me?

 

Why not hang some Christmas lights off it?

 

Also, who said you couldn't come here? Not me. You can come here all you want. Just realize that you have no business questioning anyone else's motives for coming here.

 

I was being sarcastic since some people think criticizing Ford here is off limits.

 

Because your motives for bellyaching are just as questionable as anyone else's.

 

Yea well I don't buy Foreign cars, or Dodge's, I own 2 Fords right now, so whatever..

[matthewq4b]

..does no one want to defend Lincoln's collapsing TOTAL sales? Come one let's compare Land Rover's total International figures to Lincoln's.... quite happy to debate this one...... ooooh the sound of silence.....

 

 

Very easily explained No TC production since when ? Traditionally one of Lincolns best selling models. Lincolns sales for 2008 will up a minimum of 25K with the TC back in production at STAP.

 

 

Matthew

[Ford Jellymoulds]

Whilst I accept Land Rover is down in th USA

 

LR3 Sales: 379 down -69%, you are very understated T-Stag "down" is not a word that l would have picked.

[silvrsvt]

I'm sorry you bought wrecked car, I could open the doors fine on my Fox jacked on one corner before I put subframe connectors on it.

 

Jackass, before you go off spouting BS you have no idea about, the 98 GT I had was perfect, since I bought it brand new ordered direcly from the factory...there are several other people who own SN95 or FOX Mustangs that had the same problem of opening the doors up on the car when it was on a Jack.

 

I could open the doors up on my Focus, Escort and new Mustang while it was Jacked up if I forgot to take out the stuff needed for a oil change.

[silvrsvt]

Very easily explained No TC production since when ? Traditionally one of Lincolns best selling models. Lincolns sales for 2008 will up a minimum of 25K with the TC back in production at STAP.

 

 

Matthew

 

 

Not to mention that Lincoln's sales where up 11K last year vs 2006...and that was without the TC either..

 

Lincoln is the only one that has gained Sales since 2004 and nearly all the losses for Ford can be attrubuited to the old Taurus

[atomaro]

Without 400hp the Challenger and Camero are going to steal a lot of sales....period....

 

 

I don't think so. The people who will be buying these when they first come out will be the gearhead die hards. They would never dream of buying a Mustang in the first place...just as I would never buy a Camaro...even if there was no Mustang.

[RichardJensen]

Why not hang some Christmas lights off it?

Hey, they've already got Christmas lights available as an option inside the car.....

 

And as to the 5.0 & popular culture, that extends 'bout as far as Vanilla Ice.

 

Seriously: 5.0 = good motor, but passage of time is required to hold it up as the latter day 'small block'. Late 80s/early 90s Mustangs, however, benefit in popular culture by not being stereotyped as the vehicle-du-jour for the mullet-head crowd.

 

IMO, Fox 2.0 did more to retroactively improve the Mustang's rep than Fox 1.0 did for it. The Fox 2 Mustangs were decidedly not mullet-head cars.

 

And I drive a 2000 Mercury Sable. I've never owned anything but Fords & Mercuries, and have no interest in leaving the Ford stable either.

[atomaro]

You should have got yours straight before saying anything..

Over-hyped, a set of cheap subframe connectors makes all the difference in the world, and the Fox cars had the advantage of being very lightweight, my Mustang only weighs 2600 lbs, and is fully streetable and legal, try that with a new Mustang.

WTF? You have no clue what you're talking about, stick to talking about Ford's sales or something, the mid 80's all theway through 93 cars smoked the Camaro's, my stock 86 regularly thrashed the Camaro's and the vette's back then, in the REAL world, not on the internet or in the magazines.

 

No Ford fan should be so ignorant about this basic fact.

Oh no!! The sky is falling! It's not like you couldn't swap them with a set of LX tails in about 30 seconds! If you think that sinks a car then all Ford's are crap in your book..

You have no clue, the 5.0's are the modern day 57 Chevy, those cars gave Ford more good press and a halo effect than you'll ever know, for the time it ws an amazing car, one that you can do anything you want to do with, relatively cheap. If you ever go to a racetrack you'll see Fox cars beating up on exotics, Vettes, and all the new and heavy cars, with some cheap, simple mods.

Now please stop being a negatard, this is a Ford site..

 

 

Just a few points.

1. You weren't beating anybody, especially Vettes, with an 86 GT. Not with those crappy cylinder heads, unless you throw bucks at it. Sounds like you have the driver advantage. Comparing a modded to a stock car is a mute point.

2. 2600...thats a 200 or so pounds off...but still light nonetheless.

 

 

The GT basically came into its own in 88 when the speed density was swapped over to mass air. The V8 LX with a 5speed was the only thing running with the 350 Camaros. A GT 5 speed would need driver skill over the Camaro 350. With that being said. The 302 cars absolutely shit all over the 305s 5 speed cars from GM.

[jpd80]

Not to mention that Lincoln's sales where up 11K last year vs 2006...and that was without the TC either..

 

Lincoln is the only one that has gained Sales since 2004 and nearly all the losses for Ford can be attrubuited to the old Taurus

Its looks like none of Atlanta's 200,000/year production added anything to Ford's bottom line.

[Deanh]

Just a few points.

1. You weren't beating anybody, especially Vettes, with an 86 GT. Not with those crappy cylinder heads, unless you throw bucks at it. Sounds like you have the driver advantage. Comparing a modded to a stock car is a mute point.

2. 2600...thats a 200 or so pounds off...but still light nonetheless.

The GT basically came into its own in 88 when the speed density was swapped over to mass air. The V8 LX with a 5speed was the only thing running with the 350 Camaros. A GT 5 speed would need driver skill over the Camaro 350. With that being said. The 302 cars absolutely shit all over the 305s 5 speed cars from GM.

88 LX 5.0 5 speed, 3.55 axle, ram air, bigger Throttle body along with bigger mass air system, higher lift roller rockers, low temp thermo and bumped up fuel pressure, JBA headers, smaller pulleys, police ECU, flowmasters....would pulll HARD to over 140 mph...scared a few Vettes in its day too....

[Blueblood]

Jackass, before you go off spouting BS you have no idea about, the 98 GT I had was perfect, since I bought it brand new ordered direcly from the factory...there are several other people who own SN95 or FOX Mustangs that had the same problem of opening the doors up on the car when it was on a Jack.

 

 

Funny a moron like you is calling people jackasses, it'd probably because you don't know where to jack a car up then. Maybe if your head wasn't so deep in your ass, you can't even figure out that a 98 GT isn't a 96-93 car..

 

I could open the doors up on my Focus, Escort and new Mustang while it was Jacked up if I forgot to take out the stuff needed for a oil change.

 

Good for you, maybe you'll win a prize..

[Blueblood]

Hey, they've already got Christmas lights available as an option inside the car.....

 

And as to the 5.0 & popular culture, that extends 'bout as far as Vanilla Ice.

 

 

True, and the new Audi's have Christmas lights under the headlights..

 

Vanilla Ice, just no, I remember the 80's, everybody wanted a 5.0.

 

Seriously: 5.0 = good motor, but passage of time is required to hold it up as the latter day 'small block'. Late 80s/early 90s Mustangs, however, benefit in popular culture by not being stereotyped as the vehicle-du-jour for the mullet-head crowd.

 

 

The Windsor motors are still dominating the drag strip today against much more modern engines lie the LS GM motors. And please don't ever bring up Mullets when talking about Mustangs, that was the Camaro/Firebird twins that Mulletheads across the nation flocked to. It's no different than the people buying Mustangs today.

 

IMO, Fox 2.0 did more to retroactively improve the Mustang's rep than Fox 1.0 did for it. The Fox 2 Mustangs were decidedly not mullet-head cars.

 

And I drive a 2000 Mercury Sable. I've never owned anything but Fords & Mercuries, and have no interest in leaving the Ford stable either.

 

 

The Mustang appealed to mullet-heads as much as it did now..

[Blueblood]

Just a few points.

1. You weren't beating anybody, especially Vettes, with an 86 GT. Not with those crappy cylinder heads, unless you throw bucks at it. Sounds like you have the driver advantage.

 

Do you even realize how slow the Vettes were back then? A stock 86 GT was faster than an 86 Vette. Those crappy heads did produce torque that the later cars didn't. Everyone I know with a 86 had the fastest car around at the time, the cars were also very light too, that's just how it was back then.

 

Comparing a modded to a stock car is a mute point.

2. 2600...thats a 200 or so pounds off...but still light nonetheless.

 

I was comparing stock to stock, I woudn't compare stock v. modified..

 

My car only got down to 2600 recently after some serious weight removal, I had it weighed after doing an ac/heater delete and it it was right at 2900lbs. So it must have been just a hair under 3000 from Ford, which is why it was so fast for the time. Think about it, many "econo-box" C cars weigh more than that today.

 

The GT basically came into its own in 88 when the speed density was swapped over to mass air.

 

And the mass-air cars were slower too, better for big mods of course..

 

 

The V8 LX with a 5speed was the only thing running with the 350 Camaros. A GT 5 speed would need driver skill over the Camaro 350. With that being said. The 302 cars absolutely shit all over the 305s 5 speed cars from GM.

 

 

You forget how shitty the 350 was back then, the camaros were heavier than the Mustangs which offset the cube advantage, and I think the 97 Camaro only beat the 87 Mustang by 20 lbs. of torque, pretty bad considering the size advantage.

 

I neer saw a GT having a problem smoking the 350 Camaro's back then, I don't care what the magazines said, the Camaro's were pigs back then. It wasn't until the new 93 Camaro came out that they got faster.

[silvrsvt]

Funny a moron like you is calling people jackasses, it'd probably because you don't know where to jack a car up then. Maybe if your head wasn't so deep in your ass, you can't even figure out that a 98 GT isn't a 96-93 car..

 

 

The 98 GT is the same car as a 96 car you moron...

[RichardJensen]

And please don't ever bring up Mullets when talking about Mustangs, that was the Camaro/Firebird twins that Mulletheads across the nation flocked to.

Yeah. No cheesy IROC Mustangs.

 

However, the Fox 1.5 Mustangs were decidedly more 'mulletish' than the Fox 1.0 & Fox 2.0 Mustangs.

 

Had Ford continued the trend began with Fox 1.5 into Fox 2.0, I wonder if the Mustang would be on the market today.

 

In terms of mass market appearance and appeal, the Fox 2 Mustang had it all over the Fox 1.5, and that, IMO prevented the Mustang's wider rep from tanking as did the Camaro/Firebird reps with F-Body 2.0.

 

 

Whatever may be said about the Fox 1.5 Mustang and performance, Fox 2.0 reestablished the Mustang as a mainstream car, especially in comparison with the excesses of the F-Body 2.0 cars.