charly Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 You got me there, Charly. I see on another thread, some one says he has info on future down weeks. For Oakville he says we will be down the weeks of 3/6, and 4/3. I have seen those dates as well...but thats aloooooooooooooong time away ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oac bodyboy Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I just ordered a freestar and my salesperson told me it will be built the week of jan. 23. First that suprised me that we had that many orders to fill. Next is it possible to have that order moved up a week or two? Any advise would help. A shift body shop was pretty quiet the last time we worked. Another question- Hargrove is supporting the grits this coming election. Sound like a kick back for that $500 million given to the auto industry. What will the NDP do with the invested money we have been promised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) I just ordered a freestar and my salesperson told me it will be built the week of jan. 23. First that suprised me that we had that many orders to fill. Next is it possible to have that order moved up a week or two? Any advise would help. A shift body shop was pretty quiet the last time we worked. Another question- Hargrove is supporting the grits this coming election. Sound like a kick back for that $500 million given to the auto industry. What will the NDP do with the invested money we have been promised? First question, if you haven't signed anything yet, which it sounds like you did, threaten to go somewhere else if you dont get exactly what you want. Play real hardball and you will win these days. Second question, not sure what the question is but if you think the NDP will win and are wondering what they will do with the promised grant? then I would say they probably will give more, but dont worry they will be lucky to keep what they have. Also, Hargrove isn't really supporting the "grits", he's playing it smart, He wants CAW members to support the liberals where the NDP cant win. Buzz is useing the old any enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine, meaning he understands how destructive Harper can be if he was to win so is willing to help Martin. Oh and if you happen to live in one of the rare ridings that has strong NDP support then vote for them. Edited December 31, 2005 by foxrun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) I've been a Tory ever since Trudeau lied about wage and price controls. We had the NDP in power in Ontario and it was a disaster. McGuinty is the biggest liar I have ever seen. Martin will not even fly the Canadian flag on his ships in order to avoid paying taxes in Canada. The federal Liberals are the most corrupt bunch this country has ever seen. How many CAW members do you think will vote the way Buzz tells them to? I don't believe he has the ability to deliver nearly as many votes as he thinks. How many non-union people will be turned off by him and vote accordingly? He may turn out to be Stephen Harper's greatest ally. The right to vote is an individual right, and being told how to vote by a powerful organization is patronizing and insulting. We have our own brains. The union should stay out of it. Edited December 31, 2005 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSVT Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Buzz is useing the old any enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine, meaning he understands how destructive Harper can be if he was to win. Not trying to start anything here, but foxrun I'm just wondering why you feel Harper would be more destructive than Martin? As for ordering a Freestar, with 100+ days of supply on dealer lots wouldn't it be easy to find the exact one you want for lower than A-Plan? I haven't payed A-Plan since '88. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Not trying to start anything here, but foxrun I'm just wondering why you feel Harper would be more destructive than Martin? As for ordering a Freestar, with 100+ days of supply on dealer lots wouldn't it be easy to find the exact one you want for lower than A-Plan? I haven't payed A-Plan since '88. No matter what Harper says his party remains regional. Only the liberals or NDP speak for the whole of Canada, seeing that this is a federal election as in all of Canada and seeing that the NDP cant win there are no other options. Ya it sucks to be in a country that basically has one party that speaks for the whole country with one voice. Harper wants private healthcare- one of if not the main advantage Ontario has as a place for industrial investment (auto industry) is OHIP. We as a collective we pay for most of our heath care instead of Ford. Harper has clearly stated his position on corporate investment assitance- he doesn't want it. Granted Harper likely cant take back the current grant but you can be gaurranted there would be nothing for the future, and if you haven't notice the southern states have not stopped giveing money away. Harper and Duceppe agenda- I have never seen two people/parties that have had a more dividing agenda. Just before the call on this election these two had a meeting, and what they talked about, because there just cant be anything else they could be interested in talking about in the same room, is not exactly a mystery. How to divide Canada it self. If you think this impossible you have to remember how close we came the last referendum, 51% against 49% for. In quite circles Chretein is a hero for "adscam". Should I go on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) The more we depend on government to run our lives, the more money will be spent feeding the bureaucratic monster, and the poorer we will become as a whole. Public health care swallows one out of every two tax dollars. The failure of our health care system was the main reason Hillary Clinton's public health care plan was shot down in the US. No European countries are copying our system either. Maybe we should start looking at theirs which is a blend of public and private health care, which the Conservatives recommend. The Conservative Party is not a regional party like the Liberals, who always favour Quebec. If we were to give Quebec all the power they want, and also gave the same powers to all the other provinces, we would have a much weaker federal government. To me, that would be a good thing, not a bad thing. Edited December 31, 2005 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickdraw Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) As for ordering a Freestar, with 100+ days of supply on dealer lots wouldn't it be easy to find the exact one you want for lower than A-Plan? I haven't payed A-Plan since '88. Sorry, if you bought an eligible Ford product and did not use "A" plan when you could have, you paid too much. For "A" plan Ford will send the dealer approximately $1,500... you must ask yourself why a dealer would turn that money down. Heres a real life example: Thunderbird at one time had $4,000 "dealer cash" that the public didn't know about. Using that $4,000 the dealer could tell you "this price is cheaper than "A" plan price" - which was true HOWEVER if the dealer accepts "A" plan he must pass ALL REBATES AND INCENTIVES thru to the customer in addition to A plan. Say Retail was was $40,000 and A plan was $37,000. The dealer could sell you the car for $36,995 and pocket almost $4,000 profit. If he accepted "A" plan the dealer would have had to sell you the car for about $33,000 and the approximately $1,500 from Ford for handling the sale would have been his only profit. A plan is almost exactly the dealers true final cost for the car. Why would he sell it for a loss when he could get money from Ford for handing the sale by selling A plan? If a dealer ever tells you he can sell it to you UNDER A plan (for an eligible vehicle) ask him why he would turn down the Ford A plan comission. Anoter reason a dealer might not want you to use "A" plan is he is prohibitted from adding documentation, advertising, and all sorts of misc. fees. Its NOT ALLOWED with A plan. Edited December 31, 2005 by Quickdraw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charly Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 I just ordered a freestar and my salesperson told me it will be built the week of jan. 23. First that suprised me that we had that many orders to fill. Next is it possible to have that order moved up a week or two? Any advise would help. A shift body shop was pretty quiet the last time we worked. Another question- Hargrove is supporting the grits this coming election. Sound like a kick back for that $500 million given to the auto industry. What will the NDP do with the invested money we have been promised? Tell the dealer to search for one from local dealers....it's done all the time.. Tell the dealer to search for one from local dealers....it's done all the time.. FORD NEW VEHICLE PURCHASE PLAN WITH RED CARPET LEASE OPTION WHERE DO "A" PLAN PRICES COME FROM? The dealer is required to provide you with a true copy of the factory invoice showing the New Vehicle Purchase Plan price in the box labeled "A Plan". You should also receive a complete and signed New Vehicle Purchase Plan/Red Carpet Lease Option Customer/Dealer Agreement and Pricing Sheet showing each item and its price. Do not sign this form if it is blank or if you do not understand how the price was calculated. The "A" or "Z" Plan price is the amount shown in the box labeled "A Plan" near the bottom of the factory invoice. Even though the box is labeled "A Plan" the "Z" Plan price is the same. The New Vehicle Purchase Plan price includes Wholesale Assistance Plan (WAP) (when vehicles are purchased from dealer stock), transportation, dealer preparation and Company administrative fees ($100). The dealership may not charge extra for these items. The dealership may also not charge separately for document preparation or other administrative services incidental to the delivery of the vehicle. These expenses are considered to be part of the dealer’s normal cost of doing business for which the dealership is compensated by the commission paid. The dealership may charge any price negotiated between the dealer and the customer for undercoating, dealer-installed options, extended service contracts and other items or services that add value to the vehicle, provided such items are priced separately and listed individually on the retail buyer’s order and the New Vehicle Purchase Plan/Red Carpet Lease Option Customer/Dealer Agreement and Pricing Sheet. See Attachment I for details on dealer-installed options for leases. NOTE: New Vehicle Purchase Plan customers may not accept items or services as an inducement or reward in connection with an "A" Plan sale or lease. The customer is responsible for all federal and provincial taxes, license and title fees. The New Vehicle Purchase Plan customer is entitled to the price in effect at the time the vehicle was invoiced. Any money refunded to the dealer by Ford Motor Company for price increases occurring after the order is submitted, but before shipment to the dealer, must be refunded to the customer. The dealership may require the New Vehicle Purchase Plan customer to make a deposit when placing a vehicle order. Some or all of this deposit may be retained by the dealership if the customer declines to accept delivery of the product ordered. An agreement in writing should be reached with the dealership concerning the amount of the deposit and the conditions under which it may be retained by the dealership if the transaction is not completed. Red Carpet Lease transactions may require a refundable security deposit. The security deposit is held until the end of the lease and is refunded, provided that the lease terms have been satisfied. The deposit is usually equal to one month’s payment, rounded to the next $25. Back to Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Home | A-Plan Rules | Generate PIN | Cancel PIN | View PIN History | Privacy Policy I've been a Tory ever since Trudeau lied about wage and price controls. We had the NDP in power in Ontario and it was a disaster. McGuinty is the biggest liar I have ever seen. Martin will not even fly the Canadian flag on his ships in order to avoid paying taxes in Canada. The federal Liberals are the most corrupt bunch this country has ever seen. How many CAW members do you think will vote the way Buzz tells them to? I don't believe he has the ability to deliver nearly as many votes as he thinks. How many non-union people will be turned off by him and vote accordingly? He may turn out to be Stephen Harper's greatest ally. The right to vote is an individual right, and being told how to vote by a powerful organization is patronizing and insulting. We have our own brains. The union should stay out of it. Buzz NEVER TOLD YOU HOW TO VOTE...what the CAW wants is a Liberal minority with a STRONGER NDP factor...you can't think that any working man woud want the conservatives in power......Vote how you like ..that's what my Dad fought for... \ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Tell the dealer to search for one from local dealers....it's done all the time.. FORD NEW VEHICLE PURCHASE PLAN WITH RED CARPET LEASE OPTION WHERE DO "A" PLAN PRICES COME FROM? The dealer is required to provide you with a true copy of the factory invoice showing the New Vehicle Purchase Plan price in the box labeled "A Plan". You should also receive a complete and signed New Vehicle Purchase Plan/Red Carpet Lease Option Customer/Dealer Agreement and Pricing Sheet showing each item and its price. Do not sign this form if it is blank or if you do not understand how the price was calculated. The "A" or "Z" Plan price is the amount shown in the box labeled "A Plan" near the bottom of the factory invoice. Even though the box is labeled "A Plan" the "Z" Plan price is the same. The New Vehicle Purchase Plan price includes Wholesale Assistance Plan (WAP) (when vehicles are purchased from dealer stock), transportation, dealer preparation and Company administrative fees ($100). The dealership may not charge extra for these items. The dealership may also not charge separately for document preparation or other administrative services incidental to the delivery of the vehicle. These expenses are considered to be part of the dealer’s normal cost of doing business for which the dealership is compensated by the commission paid. The dealership may charge any price negotiated between the dealer and the customer for undercoating, dealer-installed options, extended service contracts and other items or services that add value to the vehicle, provided such items are priced separately and listed individually on the retail buyer’s order and the New Vehicle Purchase Plan/Red Carpet Lease Option Customer/Dealer Agreement and Pricing Sheet. See Attachment I for details on dealer-installed options for leases. NOTE: New Vehicle Purchase Plan customers may not accept items or services as an inducement or reward in connection with an "A" Plan sale or lease. The customer is responsible for all federal and provincial taxes, license and title fees. The New Vehicle Purchase Plan customer is entitled to the price in effect at the time the vehicle was invoiced. Any money refunded to the dealer by Ford Motor Company for price increases occurring after the order is submitted, but before shipment to the dealer, must be refunded to the customer. The dealership may require the New Vehicle Purchase Plan customer to make a deposit when placing a vehicle order. Some or all of this deposit may be retained by the dealership if the customer declines to accept delivery of the product ordered. An agreement in writing should be reached with the dealership concerning the amount of the deposit and the conditions under which it may be retained by the dealership if the transaction is not completed. Red Carpet Lease transactions may require a refundable security deposit. The security deposit is held until the end of the lease and is refunded, provided that the lease terms have been satisfied. The deposit is usually equal to one month’s payment, rounded to the next $25. Back to Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Home | A-Plan Rules | Generate PIN | Cancel PIN | View PIN History | Privacy Policy Buzz NEVER TOLD YOU HOW TO VOTE...what the CAW wants is a Liberal minority with a STRONGER NDP factor...you can't think that any working man woud want the conservatives in power......Vote how you like ..that's what my Dad fought for... \ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oac bodyboy Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Tell the dealer to search for one from local dealers....it's done all the time.. FORD NEW VEHICLE PURCHASE PLAN WITH RED CARPET LEASE OPTION WHERE DO "A" PLAN PRICES COME FROM? The dealer is required to provide you with a true copy of the factory invoice showing the New Vehicle Purchase Plan price in the box labeled "A Plan". You should also receive a complete and signed New Vehicle Purchase Plan/Red Carpet Lease Option Customer/Dealer Agreement and Pricing Sheet showing each item and its price. Do not sign this form if it is blank or if you do not understand how the price was calculated. The "A" or "Z" Plan price is the amount shown in the box labeled "A Plan" near the bottom of the factory invoice. Even though the box is labeled "A Plan" the "Z" Plan price is the same. The New Vehicle Purchase Plan price includes Wholesale Assistance Plan (WAP) (when vehicles are purchased from dealer stock), transportation, dealer preparation and Company administrative fees ($100). The dealership may not charge extra for these items. The dealership may also not charge separately for document preparation or other administrative services incidental to the delivery of the vehicle. These expenses are considered to be part of the dealer’s normal cost of doing business for which the dealership is compensated by the commission paid. The dealership may charge any price negotiated between the dealer and the customer for undercoating, dealer-installed options, extended service contracts and other items or services that add value to the vehicle, provided such items are priced separately and listed individually on the retail buyer’s order and the New Vehicle Purchase Plan/Red Carpet Lease Option Customer/Dealer Agreement and Pricing Sheet. See Attachment I for details on dealer-installed options for leases. NOTE: New Vehicle Purchase Plan customers may not accept items or services as an inducement or reward in connection with an "A" Plan sale or lease. The customer is responsible for all federal and provincial taxes, license and title fees. The New Vehicle Purchase Plan customer is entitled to the price in effect at the time the vehicle was invoiced. Any money refunded to the dealer by Ford Motor Company for price increases occurring after the order is submitted, but before shipment to the dealer, must be refunded to the customer. The dealership may require the New Vehicle Purchase Plan customer to make a deposit when placing a vehicle order. Some or all of this deposit may be retained by the dealership if the customer declines to accept delivery of the product ordered. An agreement in writing should be reached with the dealership concerning the amount of the deposit and the conditions under which it may be retained by the dealership if the transaction is not completed. Red Carpet Lease transactions may require a refundable security deposit. The security deposit is held until the end of the lease and is refunded, provided that the lease terms have been satisfied. The deposit is usually equal to one month’s payment, rounded to the next $25. Back to Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Home | A-Plan Rules | Generate PIN | Cancel PIN | View PIN History | Privacy Policy Buzz NEVER TOLD YOU HOW TO VOTE...what the CAW wants is a Liberal minority with a STRONGER NDP factor...you can't think that any working man woud want the conservatives in power......Vote how you like ..that's what my Dad fought for... \ Yes I had my dealer search 3 times, all of ontario! No sport model with power sliders and lift gate are availible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 (edited) I know that the union cannot force me to vote the way they want, although they probably wish they could. What I find insulting is their assumption that they know more than I do. My father fought in the infantry in WWII, and was twice wounded, one wound was a machine gun bullet through the leg, and the other was from shrapnel scattered over the back of his body from an exploding enemy shell. He is now deceased, but I have his medals with his picture hanging on my wall. We believe in standing on our own two feet and not accepting hand outs if we can help it. My heart is in this country. I can trace my ancestry back to the Mayflower, and even further if I trace my Aboriginal and Acadian roots. I have nothing against immigrants, but I think they should respect our culture. We do have one. If you want to see it, go away from the GTA. On that note, I would like to wish everyone a happy and prosperous new year. Edited January 1, 2006 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Bodyboy, you said that the working man should not vote Conservative. Who is the working man? Every man, or woman for that matter, is, or should be working, whether it is in a factory, in the home raising children, or whatever. You need to look beyond your own selfish interests and think of what is good for the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oac bodyboy Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Bodyboy, you said that the working man should not vote Conservative. Who is the working man? Every man, or woman for that matter, is, or should be working, whether it is in a factory, in the home raising children, or whatever. You need to look beyond your own selfish interests and think of what is good for the country. Hey dingbat, go back and read my post again! I asked a question about the NDP! I mentioned nothing about the conservatives! I hope it was an honest mistake, do not drag me into the bickering that has gone on in this thread in the past PLEASE! I called you Dingbat just to keep this post lighthearted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 I accept the dingbat title. My apologies. It was Charly who said the working man should not vote Conservative. I will be more careful in the future. I also take back the part about you being selfish, Charly. I have personal family issues and get carried away lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSVT Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Sorry, if you bought an eligible Ford product and did not use "A" plan when you could have, you paid too much. For "A" plan Ford will send the dealer approximately $1,500... you must ask yourself why a dealer would turn that money down. Heres a real life example: Thunderbird at one time had $4,000 "dealer cash" that the public didn't know about. Using that $4,000 the dealer could tell you "this price is cheaper than "A" plan price" - which was true HOWEVER if the dealer accepts "A" plan he must pass ALL REBATES AND INCENTIVES thru to the customer in addition to A plan. Say Retail was was $40,000 and A plan was $37,000. The dealer could sell you the car for $36,995 and pocket almost $4,000 profit. If he accepted "A" plan the dealer would have had to sell you the car for about $33,000 and the approximately $1,500 from Ford for handling the sale would have been his only profit. A plan is almost exactly the dealers true final cost for the car. Why would he sell it for a loss when he could get money from Ford for handing the sale by selling A plan? If a dealer ever tells you he can sell it to you UNDER A plan (for an eligible vehicle) ask him why he would turn down the Ford A plan comission. Anoter reason a dealer might not want you to use "A" plan is he is prohibitted from adding documentation, advertising, and all sorts of misc. fees. Its NOT ALLOWED with A plan. Don't be sorry for being ignorant to the facts I know. If a dealer has a vehicle that they need to get off the lot (such as a 2005 Freestar) anyone can talk them down to a better deal as a regular citizen than if they mention A-Plan. I've given friends the A-Plan price list and we've gone in and got them a better deal with all the incentives and such that would be included with the A-Plan. Some dealers have used some harsh words to me and my friends and basically pushed us out the door steaming mad. But if you keep headstrong you will beat them down. My 2004 Ford listed for $48,700. With A-Plan, a $3000 Ford incentive and cash back for being a loyal Ford customer, the price was brought down to just under $41,000. I paid $37,000 without the ignorant A-Plan because the car was built in June '04 and sat in the showroom until I bought it in January '05. It was costing the dealership more to have the car in it's possession than to sell it to me for cheaper than 'the plan'. I have too many real-life tales to tell and too much of a life to stay here typing. As my Nana from Scotland always said, 'haggle,haggle,haggle and you'll soon be squezing a pound out of a pence'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Don't be sorry for being ignorant to the facts I know. If a dealer has a vehicle that they need to get off the lot (such as a 2005 Freestar) anyone can talk them down to a better deal as a regular citizen than if they mention A-Plan. I've given friends the A-Plan price list and we've gone in and got them a better deal with all the incentives and such that would be included with the A-Plan. Some dealers have used some harsh words to me and my friends and basically pushed us out the door steaming mad. But if you keep headstrong you will beat them down. My 2004 Ford listed for $48,700. With A-Plan, a $3000 Ford incentive and cash back for being a loyal Ford customer, the price was brought down to just under $41,000. I paid $37,000 without the ignorant A-Plan because the car was built in June '04 and sat in the showroom until I bought it in January '05. It was costing the dealership more to have the car in it's possession than to sell it to me for cheaper than 'the plan'. I have too many real-life tales to tell and too much of a life to stay here typing. As my Nana from Scotland always said, 'haggle,haggle,haggle and you'll soon be squezing a pound out of a pence'. And if the general population knew that, there would be alot more Freestars sold. Atleast for a little while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSVT Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 NOTE: New Vehicle Purchase Plan customers may not accept items or services as an inducement or reward in connection with an "A" Plan sale or lease. :lol: The easiest way to get around this 'rule' is for the dealer to up your trade-in value by, say $399 and then give you a window tint or whatever you agree to for $399 on the invoice. Vote how you like ..that's what my Dad fought for... My dad too B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickdraw Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Don't be sorry for being ignorant to the facts I know. If a dealer has a vehicle that they need to get off the lot (such as a 2005 Freestar) anyone can talk them down to a better deal as a regular citizen than if they mention A-Plan. I've given friends the A-Plan price list and we've gone in and got them a better deal with all the incentives and such that would be included with the A-Plan. Some dealers have used some harsh words to me and my friends and basically pushed us out the door steaming mad. But if you keep headstrong you will beat them down. My 2004 Ford listed for $48,700. With A-Plan, a $3000 Ford incentive and cash back for being a loyal Ford customer, the price was brought down to just under $41,000. I paid $37,000 without the ignorant A-Plan because the car was built in June '04 and sat in the showroom until I bought it in January '05. It was costing the dealership more to have the car in it's possession than to sell it to me for cheaper than 'the plan'. I have too many real-life tales to tell and too much of a life to stay here typing. As my Nana from Scotland always said, 'haggle,haggle,haggle and you'll soon be squezing a pound out of a pence'. See, you still didn't answer the question.... if the car was not a dealer demo and it was eligible for A plan why didn't the dealer sell it to you for $37,000 and take your PIN so he could get about $1,500 back from Ford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 If you are bored with people arguing politics, skip this post. I do not have the resourses to start a political party, but if I did, I would call it the Canadian Party. I believe that Canada (and the USA), are the greatest countries on earth. If you were born elsewhere and believe differently, that is all right, because your great- great- great- grandchildren will not care where you came from. They will be pure Canadians, like me. We are not all immigrants, as the left would have us believe. If you buy a dog, the seller, to prove it is a pure breed, must show it's family tree for seven generations. If you think Canada is a new country, think again. Geographically, we have been here as long as the rest of the world. If the rest of the world did not know of our existance, that is their problem. Politically, we have existed since 1867. During that time the Soviet Union has come and gone, Italy has changed from Fascism to democracy. France is now a new country after being liberated from the Nazis. Germany, Japan, China all have changed. There are very few countries in the world who have lasted as long as Canada or the USA. The first people who came to North America after the Aboriginals, were adventurers, bold, brave risk takers. To-day many come because they want an easy life. It should not be so easy for anyone to come here and automatically tap into the social programs which we have been paying for all our lives. The Liberals see illegal immigrants as votes. They do not care if they are good citizens or criminals. I didn't want to bore you. I just had to get this off my chest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanAm Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 If you are bored with people arguing politics, skip this post. I do not have the resourses to start a political party, but if I did, I would call it the Canadian Party. I believe that Canada (and the USA), are the greatest countries on earth. If you were born elsewhere and believe differently, that is all right, because your great- great- great- grandchildren will not care where you came from. They will be pure Canadians, like me. We are not all immigrants, as the left would have us believe. If you buy a dog, the seller, to prove it is a pure breed, must show it's family tree for seven generations. If you think Canada is a new country, think again. Geographically, we have been here as long as the rest of the world. If the rest of the world did not know of our existance, that is their problem. Politically, we have existed since 1867. During that time the Soviet Union has come and gone, Italy has changed from Fascism to democracy. France is now a new country after being liberated from the Nazis. Germany, Japan, China all have changed. There are very few countries in the world who have lasted as long as Canada or the USA. The first people who came to North America after the Aboriginals, were adventurers, bold, brave risk takers. To-day many come because they want an easy life. It should not be so easy for anyone to come here and automatically tap into the social programs which we have been paying for all our lives. The Liberals see illegal immigrants as votes. They do not care if they are good citizens or criminals. I didn't want to bore you. I just had to get this off my chest. I hear ya. My family has been hear since the American Revolution in 1776. The rebels burned them out for being loyalist. Point is, generations of blood, sweat, taxes and lives lost in the great wars does not give you anything more then if you just got off the boat. Dang, you’d think 250 years of seniority would get ya a job in the post office .. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSVT Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 See, you still didn't answer the question.... if the car was not a dealer demo and it was eligible for A plan why didn't the dealer sell it to you for $37,000 and take your PIN so he could get about $1,500 back from Ford? See, you are boring me :o . Did I mention to the sales manager that I was a Ford employee :rolleyes: ? My wife goes in with A-Plan and gets the 'best deal' for a Ford employee including all the little incentives. I went in and got almost $4000 off that A-Plan price. Add 15% tax on that and we're pushing $5000. No Demos and I do a full OASIS of the vehicle before purchase. BTW this is Canada! Your 'real-life example' of the T-Bird for $40K like a US dollar amount. So how do you like your new T-Bird? What year is it? I had a '97 for 5 years. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OACville Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 I hear ya. My family has been hear since the American Revolution in 1776. The rebels burned them out for being loyalist. Point is, generations of blood, sweat, taxes and lives lost in the great wars does not give you anything more then if you just got off the boat. Dang, you’d think 250 years of seniority would get ya a job in the post office .. LOL If you like Freedom so much then you have to take the good with the bad. Joe Immigrant has every right you do. Thats what out Dads fought for. You cannot chose your parents and neither can the immigrant ( no control of where he is born )so why should he have any less rights or privlages then you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charly Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 :lol: The easiest way to get around this 'rule' is for the dealer to up your trade-in value by, say $399 and then give you a window tint or whatever you agree to for $399 on the invoice. My dad too B) Did they fight each other....?? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) I am not asking for more rights than anyone else. I just get the feeling that some people think that they are superior to us because they come from a place that has a longer history. Politically, Canada's history is longer than most countries that exist to-day in their present form. I believe it is time for us to lose our inferiority complex and take our place in the world. To do this we have to be strong and lose our socialist way of thinking. One other point: some one who is born here, or brings his heart here with him, is not an immigrant. I know it is hard to give up your roots and move to another country. If you move to Canada you do not have to. The many cultures that exist here make this a very interesting place. However, you did choose to come here. If I were to move to your country, I would have done so for my own personal reasons, but I would not expect anything beyond what I could earn for myself. I would also respect your traditions, etc. There are some Canadians who disrespect immigrants and call them names. They are the minority. I have also heard us being called such names as "mangecake, hillbilly, redneck, redskin, eskimo, frog, newfie", so let's just call it even. This is a democratic country and everyone has a right to do as they please. All I ask for is a little respect. I do not believe it is unbecoming to show a little arrogance and pride for your own country. All other countries' citizens do it. Edited January 2, 2006 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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