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Happy LABOR day to all. YES, this day was brought to you all by the UNION'S, no matter which one. Thank the former and currect LABOR leaders of our country for getting and upholding this day. It's the end of the summer and the start of the election season. It's time to hold our elected officials in public office responsible for the shape our country is in. No, this isnt a Ron Paul or Hillary Clinton speech.

 

How will this election affect the UAW or any Union?

 

The Democrats are for the Employees Free Choice Act and the Republicans are staunchly against it! Why is this important? It will give the employees of an un-organized - non-union shop the clear and free choice to organize without interference from the company. Currently, if a group of people want to organize a Union, they have to have 30% of the employees sign cards for an election. Whats wrong with the election process? It is tainted and always 99% of the time held on company property. How is it tainted? The company owns the building and can preach, hand out flyers, have closed door and one-on-one meeting with prospected employees that might vote for the Union any time they want. They tell the employees that you will strike and your family will starve and you will loose your home or they will just close the business (all are illegal). The Union doesnt have a person, other than the organizing committee on lunch and break times to get the other side of the story out there. Not an equal playing field!

 

Why vote with your wallet instead of special interest?

 

You wallet is what the Republicans want, or the contents there of. They want you to fully fund your health care, take your social security and flood the market with the monies and play the stock market. We've all seen what this past year has gotten us in the stock market! They want all Union's busted and for you to work for pennies instead of dollars per hour. Actually, they want you to be a 1099 sub-contractor so you have to totally fend for yourself. The Republicans let the credit card companies re-write bankruptcy laws, but you see where that has gotten them also. The Republican preach about the Democrats wanting to take the guns away. WRONG! They want gun control. Yes, criminals will get guns, laws or no laws, but there is no reason in the world for a hunter out there hunting deer to need an AK-47. And yes, I know what I'm talking about! These guns get into the hands of radicals and into the cities and thats how the criminals gets them. YES, Thats how they get them! The abortion issue was settled 35 years ago but the Republicans wont let it rest. It will always be legal. Time to quit wasting money and time with that issue. They have tried time after time to stack the Supreme court deck to no avail. Republican are not your friends, they act like they are to get to your wallet!

 

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My thoughts are they are not much different in the end, just like the mob. In a poker game they might kill each other under the table but when the game is threatened they come together.

 

You also lost me when you said Hillary as far as the speech part, she's the same as the rest.

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Happy LABOR day to all. YES, this day was brought to you all by the UNION'S, no matter which one. Thank the former and currect LABOR leaders of our country for getting and upholding this day. It's the end of the summer and the start of the election season. It's time to hold our elected officials in public office responsible for the shape our country is in. No, this isnt a Ron Paul or Hillary Clinton speech.

 

How will this election affect the UAW or any Union?

 

The Democrats are for the Employees Free Choice Act and the Republicans are staunchly against it! Why is this important? It will give the employees of an un-organized - non-union shop the clear and free choice to organize without interference from the company. Currently, if a group of people want to organize a Union, they have to have 30% of the employees sign cards for an election. Whats wrong with the election process? It is tainted and always 99% of the time held on company property. How is it tainted? The company owns the building and can preach, hand out flyers, have closed door and one-on-one meeting with prospected employees that might vote for the Union any time they want. They tell the employees that you will strike and your family will starve and you will loose your home or they will just close the business (all are illegal). The Union doesnt have a person, other than the organizing committee on lunch and break times to get the other side of the story out there. Not an equal playing field!

 

Why vote with your wallet instead of special interest?

 

You wallet is what the Republicans want, or the contents there of. They want you to fully fund your health care, take your social security and flood the market with the monies and play the stock market. We've all seen what this past year has gotten us in the stock market! They want all Union's busted and for you to work for pennies instead of dollars per hour. Actually, they want you to be a 1099 sub-contractor so you have to totally fend for yourself. The Republicans let the credit card companies re-write bankruptcy laws, but you see where that has gotten them also. The Republican preach about the Democrats wanting to take the guns away. WRONG! They want gun control. Yes, criminals will get guns, laws or no laws, but there is no reason in the world for a hunter out there hunting deer to need an AK-47. And yes, I know what I'm talking about! These guns get into the hands of radicals and into the cities and thats how the criminals gets them. YES, Thats how they get them! The abortion issue was settled 35 years ago but the Republicans wont let it rest. It will always be legal. Time to quit wasting money and time with that issue. They have tried time after time to stack the Supreme court deck to no avail. Republican are not your friends, they act like they are to get to your wallet!

 

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It is your right to vote your wallet, and by the sounds of it, you will. But there are a great number of people who won't. They will vote first on thier principal, thier belief that there is something greater thier wallet. They will vote for a guy who said that he believes that life starts at the moment of conception. He believes that at that moment, human rights begin for that individual. In my book, that is a stand up person. The abortion issue is not resolved. It still is as wrong as it was 35 years ago. Just my opinion, and the opinion of many who won't be voting thier wallets. A 1099 employee? One of the crazy-ass dumb things I have ever heard. They want competition to help drive down the cost of health care, not make it available to all, at the cost of higher taxes and long waits. I am glad you have taken up a cause, and have decided to vote your wallet, don't expect me to give up on my principals and drink the kool-aid the dems are serving, the flavor of hope and change. I am amazed how people can be content with a man who says he can pull a rabbit out of a hat, but has not spelled out how he is going to do it. Ususally it's deciption, and my guess is your hope and change will be too.

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A 1099 employee? One of the crazy-ass dumb things I have ever heard.

 

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Wake up, This is becoming a normal practice these days! My good friend was recently offered a position being a 1099 ee.

 

I do not care about either parties opinion on abortion. A female does not need her life dictated by a bible thumper. :stirpot:

 

Next thing we'll see in America. Our women wearing hooded robes covering their hair, Drilling for oil everywhere in the US. And some crazy nut job invading the US freeing us from a dictator.

 

déjà vu.....

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It is your right to vote your wallet, and by the sounds of it, you will. But there are a great number of people who won't. They will vote first on thier principal, thier belief that there is something greater thier wallet. They will vote for a guy who said that he believes that life starts at the moment of conception. He believes that at that moment, human rights begin for that individual. In my book, that is a stand up person. The abortion issue is not resolved. It still is as wrong as it was 35 years ago. Just my opinion, and the opinion of many who won't be voting thier wallets. A 1099 employee? One of the crazy-ass dumb things I have ever heard. They want competition to help drive down the cost of health care, not make it available to all, at the cost of higher taxes and long waits. I am glad you have taken up a cause, and have decided to vote your wallet, don't expect me to give up on my principals and drink the kool-aid the dems are serving, the flavor of hope and change. I am amazed how people can be content with a man who says he can pull a rabbit out of a hat, but has not spelled out how he is going to do it. Ususally it's deciption, and my guess is your hope and change will be too.

 

Exactly how far do you suppose competition will drive down the cost of health care? Call me crazy (and you probably will), but the days of the family doctor working for barter are long over. Pandora's box has been opened and good frikkin' luck stuffing all that crap back in and closing it again.

 

So, in your world we get rid of health care altogether. I agree with you, prices do, in fact, go down. OK, what if you get cancer? Better yet, what if your kid gets cancer. Can you afford the Chemo? How about radiation therapy? Do you think your local hospital will trade you your kid's radiation therapy for a chicken you raised in your backyard? Let's say your niece is diagnosed with diabetes at the age of 2. (Just my own personal experience, because I do have a niece with just such a condition). She would not be here with us today if not for some sort of insurance. Or are you saying that anyone who cannot pay deserves to die? Is that your America? Is that really what you believe? Are those the principals that someone is asking you to give up on? That just because someone is less fortunate that they should be denied existence?

 

Oh yes, in your world it would be at the cost of higher taxes and long waits. How dare you have to wait in line. That's right, you have money. For now........

 

Earlier in your post you said something about life beginning at conception. And a person who would run on that platform is a stand up candidate, "in your book". Yet, apparently, once that person is born they are on their own. Screw them if they are just a baby and their family cannot afford to stay an extra day in the hospital if said child was born two months early and needs extra care much less stay in the hospital for months, if needed. "Wheel that poor kid out onto the sidewalk, we got a kid whose parents have money coming in." Is that your America?

 

Where, exactly, do we draw the line? Before I was graced with the job that I have now, I worked two and three jobs to try and provide for my wife and I. Thankfully, we had no children at the time. I had no insurance, yet I went to work every day. And worked, and worked, and worked. Should I or my wife been sent packing had we needed medical care? Oh yeah, that's right, I could have taken the damn chicken I raised in the back yard to trade for the care I needed.

 

I'll even let you in on my own big secret. Just before I got this job, my wife was pregnant with our child. We had to go on Medicaid as I still didn't have any sort of medical coverage. Remember now, I was working two actual jobs and usually had at least one side job going on at any given time. I wasn't lying on the couch all day waiting on the government to solve my problems, but I did need help. Every day from that one to this one I am thankful that we had that available to us as my wife needed a C-section to deliver our daughter. I did see the bill, I would still be paying on it today if not for some sort of social program. As a matter of fact, I am still paying for it. I pay my taxes back into that fund so that maybe one day, I can help a fellow American in need. I'll tell you something else, friend, I'll gladly pay into that fund until the day I die if that means that I can help just ONE fellow American in need.

 

And I'll do it because that, my friend, is my America.

 

No, I should not look to the government to solve my problems, but neither should we completely throw away the idea of social programs completely. Of course there are problems with the current system, but people will need help sometimes. Good people, hard working people. Face it, bad shit happens to good people all the time. Do they and their families deserve to die for it? Would you look upon your neighbor's kids and say "Sorry kid, I got mine, please try not to drop over in my yard when you kick."

 

It's a fine thing to say that without medical coverage, prices will be driven down. It's another to live it. At least you won't have to wait in line..... Because there won't be a line.

 

I'll take my Kool-aid any day of the week before I even take a whiff of yours.

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It is your right to vote your wallet, and by the sounds of it, you will. But there are a great number of people who won't. They will vote first on thier principal, thier belief that there is something greater thier wallet. They will vote for a guy who said that he believes that life starts at the moment of conception. He believes that at that moment, human rights begin for that individual. In my book, that is a stand up person. The abortion issue is not resolved. It still is as wrong as it was 35 years ago. Just my opinion, and the opinion of many who won't be voting thier wallets. A 1099 employee? One of the crazy-ass dumb things I have ever heard. They want competition to help drive down the cost of health care, not make it available to all, at the cost of higher taxes and long waits. I am glad you have taken up a cause, and have decided to vote your wallet, don't expect me to give up on my principals and drink the kool-aid the dems are serving, the flavor of hope and change. I am amazed how people can be content with a man who says he can pull a rabbit out of a hat, but has not spelled out how he is going to do it. Ususally it's deciption, and my guess is your hope and change will be too.

 

I can tell you I'm not for abortion, but I'm not pro life, this should be a woman's decision, not mine, not yours, and not the governments.

 

Let me ask you do you have a daughter and if you do, if she was raped should she be sentenced to carry and give birth to a child that she never wanted anyway, and many would argue the fact of adoption, and with the adoption process in the U.S. that child would most likely grow up in foster homes, with the way the government has that screwed up, people figure why pay for a child when the government will pay you, I know this for fact, I used to be in the foster parent program. There are also stats on some of these young women not knowing what to do and ending up in suicide.

 

And what if your daughter was married chose to start a family and found out something was wrong and she has two choices she could abort and try again or go full term and take a chance of herself dying herself.

 

Well I have a teenage daughter and 5 teenage nieces and it's their body, their choice and I would not want to loose any of them over a political parties choice, so on this issue you can cover two bases dictatorship from taking a right away and socialism if they give the child to the state for the tax payers to take care of, and if you've heard it once you'll here a thousand times there needs to be a separation of church and state no religious affiliation should be allowed to make laws and if they do maybe everyone should be the same religion, well that means we'd have to have a war to decide which one, and if I'm not mistaken that is what the middle east have been doing for over 2000 years and there is still no winner. Just My Opinion

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It is your right to vote your wallet, and by the sounds of it, you will. But there are a great number of people who won't. They will vote first on thier principal, thier belief that there is something greater thier wallet. They will vote for a guy who said that he believes that life starts at the moment of conception. He believes that at that moment, human rights begin for that individual. In my book, that is a stand up person. The abortion issue is not resolved. It still is as wrong as it was 35 years ago. Just my opinion, and the opinion of many who won't be voting thier wallets. A 1099 employee? One of the crazy-ass dumb things I have ever heard. They want competition to help drive down the cost of health care, not make it available to all, at the cost of higher taxes and long waits. I am glad you have taken up a cause, and have decided to vote your wallet, don't expect me to give up on my principals and drink the kool-aid the dems are serving, the flavor of hope and change. I am amazed how people can be content with a man who says he can pull a rabbit out of a hat, but has not spelled out how he is going to do it. Ususally it's deciption, and my guess is your hope and change will be too.

 

Competition to drive down health care? Ask BP, Citgo, Exonn-Mobil, etc how competition drives the gas prices down.

 

As to Obama not spelling out how he's going to do what he is campaigning on; McCain doesn't even have a frigging platform! What does he stand for?

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The Republican preach about the Democrats wanting to take the guns away. WRONG! They want gun control. Yes, criminals will get guns, laws or no laws, but there is no reason in the world for a hunter out there hunting deer to need an AK-47. And yes, I know what I'm talking about! These guns get into the hands of radicals and into the cities and thats how the criminals gets them. YES, Thats how they get them!

 

Show me some evidence to back up your opinion on this, I can show lots of evidence to the contrary.

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I can tell you I'm not for abortion, but I'm not pro life, this should be a woman's decision, not mine, not yours, and not the governments.

 

Let me ask you do you have a daughter and if you do, if she was raped should she be sentenced to carry and give birth to a child that she never wanted anyway, and many would argue the fact of adoption, and with the adoption process in the U.S. that child would most likely grow up in foster homes, with the way the government has that screwed up, people figure why pay for a child when the government will pay you, I know this for fact, I used to be in the foster parent program. There are also stats on some of these young women not knowing what to do and ending up in suicide.

 

And what if your daughter was married chose to start a family and found out something was wrong and she has two choices she could abort and try again or go full term and take a chance of herself dying herself.

 

Well I have a teenage daughter and 5 teenage nieces and it's their body, their choice and I would not want to loose any of them over a political parties choice, so on this issue you can cover two bases dictatorship from taking a right away and socialism if they give the child to the state for the tax payers to take care of, and if you've heard it once you'll here a thousand times there needs to be a separation of church and state no religious affiliation should be allowed to make laws and if they do maybe everyone should be the same religion, well that means we'd have to have a war to decide which one, and if I'm not mistaken that is what the middle east have been doing for over 2000 years and there is still no winner. Just My Opinion

 

First off shouldn't the father have some say in this life ending decision ?

When i had my vasectomy i had to have my wife sign papers stated we did not want anymore children , but if i was a women i can go in get an abortion and thats it. with no signature from the eventual birth father.

 

You give examples of rape and incest as a justification to use abortion , religious or not If ya kill the baby you are killing a baby.

 

No republican or democrat since Roe v Wade has had any real impact on the abortion issue Its a lost cause; illegalize it and there will be back alley abortions with children dieing and mothers dieing.

 

You also give an example of a medical challenged child , once again be a parent and deal with the ruff hand you were dealt or give the child up for adoption.

 

The choice on this 1 issue are pretty simple play the high road until certain instances arise and I will call you a hypocrite, be a parent no matter what then you deserve praise even if that decision means giving the child up to someone that is will to take care of your child.

 

 

 

BTW I'm Biased I was adopted my birth parents could not take care of me so instead of using Abortion as a contraceptive like most do these days they gave me up for adoption and allowed me the chance to have some truly Great Parents.

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Exactly how far do you suppose competition will drive down the cost of health care? Call me crazy (and you probably will), but the days of the family doctor working for barter are long over. Pandora's box has been opened and good frikkin' luck stuffing all that crap back in and closing it again.

 

So, in your world we get rid of health care altogether. I agree with you, prices do, in fact, go down. OK, what if you get cancer? Better yet, what if your kid gets cancer. Can you afford the Chemo? How about radiation therapy? Do you think your local hospital will trade you your kid's radiation therapy for a chicken you raised in your backyard? Let's say your niece is diagnosed with diabetes at the age of 2. (Just my own personal experience, because I do have a niece with just such a condition). She would not be here with us today if not for some sort of insurance. Or are you saying that anyone who cannot pay deserves to die? Is that your America? Is that really what you believe? Are those the principals that someone is asking you to give up on? That just because someone is less fortunate that they should be denied existence?

 

Oh yes, in your world it would be at the cost of higher taxes and long waits. How dare you have to wait in line. That's right, you have money. For now........

 

Earlier in your post you said something about life beginning at conception. And a person who would run on that platform is a stand up candidate, "in your book". Yet, apparently, once that person is born they are on their own. Screw them if they are just a baby and their family cannot afford to stay an extra day in the hospital if said child was born two months early and needs extra care much less stay in the hospital for months, if needed. "Wheel that poor kid out onto the sidewalk, we got a kid whose parents have money coming in." Is that your America?

 

Where, exactly, do we draw the line? Before I was graced with the job that I have now, I worked two and three jobs to try and provide for my wife and I. Thankfully, we had no children at the time. I had no insurance, yet I went to work every day. And worked, and worked, and worked. Should I or my wife been sent packing had we needed medical care? Oh yeah, that's right, I could have taken the damn chicken I raised in the back yard to trade for the care I needed.

 

I'll even let you in on my own big secret. Just before I got this job, my wife was pregnant with our child. We had to go on Medicaid as I still didn't have any sort of medical coverage. Remember now, I was working two actual jobs and usually had at least one side job going on at any given time. I wasn't lying on the couch all day waiting on the government to solve my problems, but I did need help. Every day from that one to this one I am thankful that we had that available to us as my wife needed a C-section to deliver our daughter. I did see the bill, I would still be paying on it today if not for some sort of social program. As a matter of fact, I am still paying for it. I pay my taxes back into that fund so that maybe one day, I can help a fellow American in need. I'll tell you something else, friend, I'll gladly pay into that fund until the day I die if that means that I can help just ONE fellow American in need.

 

And I'll do it because that, my friend, is my America.

 

No, I should not look to the government to solve my problems, but neither should we completely throw away the idea of social programs completely. Of course there are problems with the current system, but people will need help sometimes. Good people, hard working people. Face it, bad shit happens to good people all the time. Do they and their families deserve to die for it? Would you look upon your neighbor's kids and say "Sorry kid, I got mine, please try not to drop over in my yard when you kick."

 

It's a fine thing to say that without medical coverage, prices will be driven down. It's another to live it. At least you won't have to wait in line..... Because there won't be a line.

 

I'll take my Kool-aid any day of the week before I even take a whiff of yours.

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First off shouldn't the father have some say in this life ending decision ?

When i had my vasectomy i had to have my wife sign papers stated we did not want anymore children , but if i was a women i can go in get an abortion and thats it. with no signature from the eventual birth father.

 

 

Not a good comparison, the women can still have a baby after an abortion. Can your wife now? :shades:

 

 

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I can tell you I'm not for abortion, but I'm not pro life, this should be a woman's decision, not mine, not yours, and not the governments.

 

Let me ask you do you have a daughter and if you do, if she was raped should she be sentenced to carry and give birth to a child that she never wanted anyway, and many would argue the fact of adoption, and with the adoption process in the U.S. that child would most likely grow up in foster homes, with the way the government has that screwed up, people figure why pay for a child when the government will pay you, I know this for fact, I used to be in the foster parent program. There are also stats on some of these young women not knowing what to do and ending up in suicide.

 

And what if your daughter was married chose to start a family and found out something was wrong and she has two choices she could abort and try again or go full term and take a chance of herself dying herself.

 

Well I have a teenage daughter and 5 teenage nieces and it's their body, their choice and I would not want to loose any of them over a political parties choice, so on this issue you can cover two bases dictatorship from taking a right away and socialism if they give the child to the state for the tax payers to take care of, and if you've heard it once you'll here a thousand times there needs to be a separation of church and state no religious affiliation should be allowed to make laws and if they do maybe everyone should be the same religion, well that means we'd have to have a war to decide which one, and if I'm not mistaken that is what the middle east have been doing for over 2000 years and there is still no winner. Just My Opinion

I do have a teenage daughter, and it would be a gut wrenching trama if she should get raped and become pregnant. But what about the child she is carrying, should he/she have to pay the price for an unspeakable crime? When do human rights begin for baby? That is the difference between you and I. I refuse to allow a supreme court decide at what point human life begins. Laws of the land do not always supercede laws of humanity. If we allowed everything the court passed to stand as law, we would still have slavery (remember Dread Scott in history class?)

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Yea go ahead and elect obamawammadingedong,Let him increase the taxes on big business,put in socialized medicine,take your protection from you.Then you will be bitchin cause the gov. is taking too much for health care and big business has upped prices to pay their tax bill and the police cant protect you!!

 

WAKE UP,TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.Dont demand the government to do it for you.

Most of the current ENTITLEMENT programs are just making you lazy,and dependant on the government instead of the government being dependant on you.

 

As was said by Thomas Jefferson "The government should fear the people,not the people should fear the government"

 

Which IMHO is exactly what is wrong with this country.

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Yea go ahead and elect obamawammadingedong,Let him increase the taxes on big business,put in socialized medicine,take your protection from you.Then you will be bitchin cause the gov. is taking too much for health care and big business has upped prices to pay their tax bill and the police cant protect you!!

 

WAKE UP,TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.Dont demand the government to do it for you.

Most of the current ENTITLEMENT programs are just making you lazy,and dependant on the government instead of the government being dependant on you.

 

As was said by Thomas Jefferson "The government should fear the people,not the people should fear the government"

 

Which IMHO is exactly what is wrong with this country.

 

Can one Republican step up and say something good about McCain? All I keep reading is people bitching about Obama and the Democrats. Seriously, tell me what McCain stands for, what he wants do, why I should vote for him.

 

If your only reason for supporting McCain is because he is Republican, just stay home and stick your head back in the sand.

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Can one Republican step up and say something good about McCain? All I keep reading is people bitching about Obama and the Democrats. Seriously, tell me what McCain stands for, what he wants do, why I should vote for him.

 

If your only reason for supporting McCain is because he is Republican, just stay home and stick your head back in the sand.

There is nothing, which is the same as the other party.

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WAKE UP,TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.Dont demand the government to do it for you.

Most of the current ENTITLEMENT programs are just making you lazy,and dependant on the government instead of the government being dependant on you.

 

As was said by Thomas Jefferson "The government should fear the people,not the people should fear the government"

 

First off, read my above reply to Skittles.

 

Second, kiss my a$$. I can't stand it when people lump everyone together who has ever needed help as lazy and dependent on the government. Not everyone sees this as an entitlement, and it should not be one. If you want to fix the problem, be a part of the solution--not part of the problem.

 

If you like quotes, James Madison said "If tyranny and oppression come to this Land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." The current administration obviously didn't pay that one any heed.

 

Here's another one that reminds me of our current administration: "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." ~Adolph Hitler

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Wake up, This is becoming a normal practice these days! My good friend was recently offered a position being a 1099 ee.

 

I do not care about either parties opinion on abortion. A female does not need her life dictated by a bible thumper. :stirpot:

 

Next thing we'll see in America. Our women wearing hooded robes covering their hair, Drilling for oil everywhere in the US. And some crazy nut job invading the US freeing us from a dictator.

 

déjà vu.....

 

I agree on this....the president doesn't make the call...so who cares what his opinion is on the matter?

 

Oh...he appoints the supreme court justices that makes the calls? Then The Bush son and father team should have had this abortion thing fixed just the way you want by now with all of the appointments they have made.

 

See........your argument on pro-life is not one of presidential matter.

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First off shouldn't the father have some say in this life ending decision ?

When i had my vasectomy i had to have my wife sign papers stated we did not want anymore children , but if i was a women i can go in get an abortion and thats it. with no signature from the eventual birth father.

 

You give examples of rape and incest as a justification to use abortion , religious or not If ya kill the baby you are killing a baby.

 

No republican or democrat since Roe v Wade has had any real impact on the abortion issue Its a lost cause; illegalize it and there will be back alley abortions with children dieing and mothers dieing.

 

You also give an example of a medical challenged child , once again be a parent and deal with the ruff hand you were dealt or give the child up for adoption.

 

The choice on this 1 issue are pretty simple play the high road until certain instances arise and I will call you a hypocrite, be a parent no matter what then you deserve praise even if that decision means giving the child up to someone that is will to take care of your child.

 

 

 

BTW I'm Biased I was adopted my birth parents could not take care of me so instead of using Abortion as a contraceptive like most do these days they gave me up for adoption and allowed me the chance to have some truly Great Parents.

 

I never said anything about a medical challenged child, what I said was what if your daughter was married chose to start a family and found out something was wrong "not with the child but herself" and she has two choices she could abort and try again or go full term and take a chance of herself dieing herself.

 

And like I said I'm not for abortion especially as a form of birth control, there should be restriction's on them for why they need one, but I do feel that it should be a womans decision and I'm sure it's not an easy one after all they have to live with it for the rest of their life, and I commend your parents and any parent out there for adopting, but the adoption procedure today is so messed up, Family Services encourage couples today to be foster parents, I had to be in the foster parent program in order to take care of one of my nieces, and the social workers were always trying to get me to foster other kid's and always pointed out the financial benefits of it, and what's sad is most of these kid's will never be adopted and may go through several foster family's until they become of age.

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I do have a teenage daughter, and it would be a gut wrenching trama if she should get raped and become pregnant. But what about the child she is carrying, should he/she have to pay the price for an unspeakable crime? When do human rights begin for baby? That is the difference between you and I. I refuse to allow a supreme court decide at what point human life begins. Laws of the land do not always supercede laws of humanity. If we allowed everything the court passed to stand as law, we would still have slavery (remember Dread Scott in history class?)

 

Very well we do see this on different view's as I see your view and you see mine, but could you force your daughter or want somebody else to force her to have this child if she did not want it, I would support my daughter no matter what her decision would be, because a parents love should be unconditional.

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Can one Republican step up and say something good about McCain? All I keep reading is people bitching about Obama and the Democrats. Seriously, tell me what McCain stands for, what he wants do, why I should vote for him.

 

If your only reason for supporting McCain is because he is Republican, just stay home and stick your head back in the sand.

 

 

I am a proud union republician, and I will tell you why Im voting for the McCain/Palin ticket. I offer my thoughts on this subject with the hope that democrats will reply to my post with the same respect I extend to you as a fellow union member. I will offer you several reasons why Im voting for McCain/Palin:

 

-McCain served, and retired from the military. He understands how the military works.

-I believe we will be attacked again. Regardless of who wins the election, some terriorist will try to test the new president. McCain will be stronger in responding to an attack.

-We need oil. Its that simple. Im all for new energy sources, but until we perfect new technology, drilling for our own oil is the short term answer. McCains for drilling, Obama is not for drilling.

-McCain is pro second amendment. This issue is near and dear to me. If we ever lose the second amendment, then we will surely lose our other freedoms. I know several members of the NRA who do not even own guns, but they value the Bill of Rights.

-McCain is a straight talker. He will tell us the way it is, and not try to dance around the tough questions. (recall Obama's reply about the issue being above his pay grade)

 

These are just a few of my opinions on this election. Please keep in mind that as a union, we are about half republicians, and half democrats. I believe that the union should be neutral on politics. If they want to donate money to a canidate, then they should ask our permission to do so. After all, it is our money they are giving away. I welcome any replys to my post.

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It is your right to vote your wallet, and by the sounds of it, you will. But there are a great number of people who won't. They will vote first on thier principal, thier belief that there is something greater thier wallet. They will vote for a guy who said that he believes that life starts at the moment of conception. He believes that at that moment, human rights begin for that individual. In my book, that is a stand up person. The abortion issue is not resolved. It still is as wrong as it was 35 years ago. Just my opinion, and the opinion of many who won't be voting thier wallets. A 1099 employee? One of the crazy-ass dumb things I have ever heard. They want competition to help drive down the cost of health care, not make it available to all, at the cost of higher taxes and long waits. I am glad you have taken up a cause, and have decided to vote your wallet, don't expect me to give up on my principals and drink the kool-aid the dems are serving, the flavor of hope and change. I am amazed how people can be content with a man who says he can pull a rabbit out of a hat, but has not spelled out how he is going to do it. Ususally it's deciption, and my guess is your hope and change will be too.

Thats the way dems are they say all B.S and when they can't deliver its Bush's fault.

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I am a proud union republician, and I will tell you why Im voting for the McCain/Palin ticket. I offer my thoughts on this subject with the hope that democrats will reply to my post with the same respect I extend to you as a fellow union member. I will offer you several reasons why Im voting for McCain/Palin:

 

-McCain served, and retired from the military. He understands how the military works.

-I believe we will be attacked again. Regardless of who wins the election, some terrorist will try to test the new president. McCain will be stronger in responding to an attack.

-We need oil. Its that simple. Im all for new energy sources, but until we perfect new technology, drilling for our own oil is the short term answer. McCains for drilling, Obama is not for drilling.

-McCain is pro second amendment. This issue is near and dear to me. If we ever lose the second amendment, then we will surely lose our other freedoms. I know several members of the NRA who do not even own guns, but they value the Bill of Rights.

-McCain is a straight talker. He will tell us the way it is, and not try to dance around the tough questions. (recall Obama's reply about the issue being above his pay grade)

 

These are just a few of my opinions on this election. Please keep in mind that as a union, we are about half republicians, and half democrats. I believe that the union should be neutral on politics. If they want to donate money to a canidate, then they should ask our permission to do so. After all, it is our money they are giving away. I welcome any replys to my post.

 

-McCain was in the military an I commend him on his service but he did graduate 894 of 899 and if it weren't for his father and grandfather being Admiral's he would have never made it.

-I refuse to live in fear of being attacked Bush won the last election by putting fear in the voters that he was the only one that could protect them this has been far over played.

-Oil is a touchy subject I have no problem with drilling but as long as we continue to drill there will be no real push for renewable energy and will not make a difference in the short term, our gas problems are a shortage of refineries we have companies willing to build them but there are no politician Democrat or Republican want them in their back yard.

-I would say 99% of America is for the 2nd amendment and as a ex NRA member solely because the Republican party lobbied the NRA to put fear in the membership that the Democrat's wanted to take their guns.

-In 2000 I would have agreed with you about McCain being a straight talker but now he's sounding more like a Karl Rove puppet with Rush Limbaugh views

 

And as far as the UAW spending your money on elections I would have to disagree with you there the UAW does not spend due money that is what CAP is for and if you pay into CAP you should know that it is for political use and is used to endorse Democrats 95% of the time and if you don't like their political affiliation don't give to CAP.

And as far as Palin the AP are saying that she may be dropping out or that McCain may drop her off his ticket

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I am a proud union republician, and I will tell you why Im voting for the McCain/Palin ticket. I offer my thoughts on this subject with the hope that democrats will reply to my post with the same respect I extend to you as a fellow union member. I will offer you several reasons why Im voting for McCain/Palin:

 

-McCain served, and retired from the military. He understands how the military works.

-I believe we will be attacked again. Regardless of who wins the election, some terriorist will try to test the new president. McCain will be stronger in responding to an attack.

-We need oil. Its that simple. Im all for new energy sources, but until we perfect new technology, drilling for our own oil is the short term answer. McCains for drilling, Obama is not for drilling.

-McCain is pro second amendment. This issue is near and dear to me. If we ever lose the second amendment, then we will surely lose our other freedoms. I know several members of the NRA who do not even own guns, but they value the Bill of Rights.

-McCain is a straight talker. He will tell us the way it is, and not try to dance around the tough questions. (recall Obama's reply about the issue being above his pay grade)

 

These are just a few of my opinions on this election. Please keep in mind that as a union, we are about half republicians, and half democrats. I believe that the union should be neutral on politics. If they want to donate money to a canidate, then they should ask our permission to do so. After all, it is our money they are giving away. I welcome any replys to my post.

I agree I give 120 dollars ayear to pac but they give it all to {dems} I get a coat when they ask for the money i did'nt sign anything that said dems only Iam like you it should be split

50/50 so i'am going to cancel it and remove the controversy from my life. Is it any wonder that rep get a attude at labor when they give so much money to dems and nothing to rep.

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As long as the dems want to take the money I work for and give it to some lazy fuck that doesn't want to work they will never get my vote. People should learn how to take care of themselves. Its called personal responsibility. Too many people out there live driving nice cars, big screen tvs, yada yada and then they CRY about the cost of healthcare. Adapt your life to be able to at least afford Major Madical in case you or someone in your family gets seriously ill. Bunch of socialists on this site.

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If we have four more years of this bull, we will all be working at walmart. The repellicans need to be on our side of the fence. I do not want to be ruled by fear. After 8 years we are paying more for everything, the oil that we went for has doubled. And we still haven't found the tropical paradise where Osama lives. I'm pretty sure that the telemarketers could have found him by now. As far as the election goes it does'nt matter who we vote for the electorial collage will decide it for us, as they did with BUSH.

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