whereswaldo Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I have been hearing that some millwrights that gave up there trade and went back to production were ask to go back to being millwrights. Should this have been posted first to millwrights on the west side gen? Um by the way there are no longer 9 steps........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
level Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) Or just answer the question. Did this one or two MW's choose to go to prod. to 1.) avoid layoff as a trade or 2.) jump ship from an ACH or closing facility ? And did they then go to the #1 hierarchy along side RTBU's because placement in prod made the new plant their home plant ?? And when an opening came for a MW, did they go by seniority as a #1 in the hierarchy ?? So far these are not hypotheticals. If he went by sen. in ZONE as you state , you are vaguely implying that all MW's in zone were canvassed (incl. JSP,etc.) Thats glossing it over so you dont have to admit there could be a 20 yr MW sitting in JSP. Was he was placed by sen within his #1 hierarchy per zone or by sen. across all the placements in the hierarchy per zone ?? Very simple. Like I said I dont agree with this apparent sidestep(IMO) but at least be clear, concise and answer some of these brothers questions. I thought good news or otherwise you were better than that. I am told they were from Saline ZONE 1. At Saline, when everyone was being told of openings, the trades were told that they could go to available production openings under the return clause...due to the fact that there were not enough/any trade openings. This has been the case at Monroe and other closing plants also. So if they did not have an opening to go to...they would have been placed in JSP....which is why they were given the option under the contract to avoid layoff. So, in fact....they did it for both reason 1 and 2 above. Reason 1 being the contractual vehicle....reason 2 being a personal reason........ I also stated repeatedly that it was done by seniority in that zone......there is no way to gloss or blurrrrrr that....by seniority in zone........period The millwrights in JSP all have around 1998 to 2000 seniority......so your theory on a 20 year guy getting screwed is no good either. I haven't heard anyone complain that they were bypassed.............all innuendo and supposition......so unless someone has some FACTS............ Edited February 3, 2009 by level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I am told they were from Saline ZONE 1. At Saline, when everyone was being told of openings, the trades were told that they could go to available production openings under the return clause...due to the fact that there were not enough/any trade openings. This has been the case at Monroe and other closing plants also. So if they did not have an opening to go to...they would have been placed in JSP....which is why they were given the option under the contract to avoid layoff. So, in fact....they did it for both reason 1 and 2 above. Reason 1 being the contractual vehicle....reason 2 being a personal reason........I also stated repeatedly that it was done by seniority in that zone......there is no way to gloss or blurrrrrr that....by seniority in zone........period The millwrights in JSP all have around 1998 to 2000 seniority......so your theory on a 20 year guy getting screwed is no good either. I haven't heard anyone complain that they were bypassed.............all innuendo and supposition......so unless someone has some FACTS............ Man you need to get a hold of yourself here. I am not one of those who spewed back door this or got screwed that !!!!!!! I have an issue that I asked..................... Those that go to prod at another plant and then get called to their trade in said plant....you have already said that plant becomes their home plant.....Are you still here big guy....good. Do they get called back as part of #1 (ONE) in the HIERARCHY ????????? Simple,short, to the point....no agenda....no gloss.... please just answer the ????? in red.. Thanks.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukeofearl Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I am told they were from Saline ZONE 1. At Saline, when everyone was being told of openings, the trades were told that they could go to available production openings under the return clause...due to the fact that there were not enough/any trade openings. This has been the case at Monroe and other closing plants also. So if they did not have an opening to go to...they would have been placed in JSP....which is why they were given the option under the contract to avoid layoff. So, in fact....they did it for both reason 1 and 2 above. Reason 1 being the contractual vehicle....reason 2 being a personal reason........ I also stated repeatedly that it was done by seniority in that zone......there is no way to gloss or blurrrrrr that....by seniority in zone........period The millwrights in JSP all have around 1998 to 2000 seniority......so your theory on a 20 year guy getting screwed is no good either. I haven't heard anyone complain that they were bypassed.............all innuendo and supposition......so unless someone has some FACTS............ I'am smelling fish again we have 14 millwrights in jsp at are plant in zone 1. Which means we get any millwright bids that go up and any millwright at are plant can bid working and jsp millwrights we can all bid. I'am working but have much more time than 98 I'am in zone and that job should be mine or who evers got more time than me. You just don't look at jsp seniority and say OK you have them people beat so you can come back to your tools. Very rarely when bids go up in trades do the people that are in jsp get the bid it's the people that are in the plant working with the seniority that gets the bid. Than theres a vacancy in the successful bidders plant at that time if the company wants they can go to there JSP and by seniority back fill the vacancy. If they just simply took a look at the seniority list of JSP and than said well the millwrights we have on the line here have all the JSP millwrights beat in seniority so we can just bring them back there sadly mistaken it needs to be adressed it's wrong and needs to be fuck-in addressed right away. If it was done by seniority I would have that job or somebody with more time than me and that would put us back at 20 fucking years of seniority. I did'nt know i was by-passed but i sure the fuck do now and I'am complaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
level Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I'am smelling fish again we have 14 millwrights in jsp at are plant in zone 1. Which means we get any millwright bids that go up and any millwright at are plant can bid working and jspmillwrights we can all bid. I'am working but have much more time than 98 I'am in zone and that job should be mine or who evers got more time than me. You just don't look at jsp seniority and say OK you have them people beat so you can come back to your tools. Very rarely when bids go up in trades do the people that are in jsp get the bid it's the people that are in the plant working with the seniority that gets the bid. Than theres a vacancy in the successful bidders plant at that time if the company wants they can go to there JSP and by seniority back fill the vacancy. If they just simply took a look at the seniority list of JSP and than said well the millwrights we have on the line here have all the JSP millwrights beat in seniority so we can just bring them back there sadly mistaken it needs to be adressed it's wrong and needs to be fuck-in addressed right away. If it was done by seniority I would have that job or somebody with more time than me and that would put us back at 20 fucking years of seniority. I did'nt know i was by-passed but i sure the fuck do now and I'am complaining. If you are smellin fish............ nevermind.....I'll let that go......... Listen buddy.........I am not going to sit here and repeatedly defend anything over and over and friggin over again............Now I don't know where the hell you work at.........but rarely.............and I friggin mean rarely.............does a senior working employee transfer to another plant in his same zone in lieu of a JSP employee in the trades. Why the fuck would he do that? You say it rarely happens that way? That it is the other way around? Maybe on your planet. You probably missed the friggin posting at your own plant....because normally ....working people don't repeatedly check for job postings.............. If you have a friggin problem....see your friggin plant committeeman...............I am not the goddamn virtual internet committeeman for every nutjob on this public forum. Half of the people on here or more....don't even work at Ford..........and I sure as hell don't know who the hell you are.......... So I say you sir....are either full of shit or blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
level Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) Man you need to get a hold of yourself here. I am not one of those who spewed back door this or got screwed that !!!!!!! I have an issue that I asked..................... Those that go to prod at another plant and then get called to their trade in said plant....you have already said that plant becomes their home plant.....Are you still here big guy....good. Do they get called back as part of #1 (ONE) in the HIERARCHY ????????? Simple,short, to the point....no agenda....no gloss.... please just answer the ????? in red.. Thanks.......... I see why we have a problem............you didn't read my previous post....where I answered this friggin question bro. I will cut and paste it for you...since it is a page back already Those trades "working in production" are now contractually returned to production......but in preferential placement. So what opportunities do they get to apply for and where? Again same Appendix N....#1 reads (in summary): "After being placed on the preferntial placement list.....they have seniority recall rights in the same zone....and possibly in different zones as mutually agreed." We know that trades recall goes by DOE...not Company seniority to exercise trade recall, so that is how they get back. Edited February 4, 2009 by level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukeofearl Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 If you are smellin fish............ nevermind.....I'll let that go......... Listen buddy.........I am not going to sit here and repeatedly defend anything over and over and friggin over again............Now I don't know where the hell you work at.........but rarely.............and I friggin mean rarely.............does a senior working employee transfer to another plant in his same zone in lieu of a JSP employee in the trades. Why the fuck would he do that? You say it rarely happens that way? That it is the other way around? Maybe on your planet. You probably missed the friggin posting at your own plant....because normally ....working people don't repeatedly check for job postings.............. If you have a friggin problem....see your friggin plant committeeman...............I am not the goddamn virtual internet committeeman for every nutjob on this public forum. Half of the people on here or more....don't even work at Ford..........and I sure as hell don't know who the hell you are.......... So I say you sir....are either full of shit or blind. I.am at a plant that is going away we have 14 millwrights in jsp 25 onthe floor working. We get every bid because of are jsp people. If we missed a bid its because we did'nt get it. We have to leave are plant is going away. 75% of are millwrights bid and everybody on the floor have more than 98 seniorityso what are you talking rarely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I see why we have a problem............you didn't read my previous post....where I answered this friggin question bro. I will cut and paste it for you...since it is a page back already You are a real card. Just give me an answer to my question that I highlighted in red in my previous post. Just a Yes or a No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrballsonya Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) I hate to totally change the subject, but I've got a burning question for my fellow tradesmen at Rawsonville. Can anyone tell me the exact date, when your Millwrights were placed in JSP? There seems to be a very auspicious trend happening when Trade Job postings go up. It seems that the week before the job postings go up, all the usual JSP'ers will be on the seniority list, but the week after; POOF!... Magically plants that are still working and have powerful union representation, suddenly have people in JSP. The latest Rawsonville JSP incident isn't the first time for these Local Union Shenanigans, the last occurrence happened about a year ago with Woodhaven Stamping. Maybe I'm just a total moron, but it sure seems like the timing of these JSP placements is unbelievably impeccable. It really makes me wish, that my Wixom representation had nearly as much union clout as the big boys from other locals. I guess If you don't have any bargaining power I.E. (Plant Closed), you don't have any pull with International, or the Company. Good luck to everyone else, because evidently us Wixomites are stuck in Seniority purgatory. Maybe I'll flash my worthless U.A.W millwright card to you, when you're ordering a Big Mac in my drive through. Please give me a tip, After all...... It's hard to feed 5 kids with an $8 dollar an hour job. God bless Bush's America... Err.. I mean Wal-Mart. Edited February 5, 2009 by mrballsonya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukeofearl Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I hate to totally change the subject, but I've got a burning question for my fellow tradesmen at Rawsonville. Can anyone tell me the exact date, when your Millwrights were placed in JSP? There seems to be a very auspicious trend happening when Trade Job postings go up. It seems that the week before the job postings go up, all the usual JSP'ers will be on the seniority list, but the week after; POOF!... Magically plants that are still working and have powerful union representation, suddenly have people in JSP. The latest Rawsonville JSP incident isn't the first time for these Local Union Shenanigans, the last occurrence happened about a year ago with Woodhaven Stamping. Maybe I'm just a total moron, but it sure seems like the timing of these JSP placements is unbelievably impeccable. It really makes me wish, that my Wixom representation had nearly as much union clout as the big boys from other locals. I guess If you don't have any bargaining power I.E. (Plant Closed), you don't have any pull with International, or the Company. Good luck to everyone else, because evidently us Wixomites are stuck in Seniority purgatory. Maybe I'll flash my worthless U.A.W millwright card to you, when you're ordering a Big Mac in my drive through. Please give me a tip, After all...... It's hard to feed 5 kids with an $8 dollar an hour job. God bless Bush's America... Err.. I mean Wal-Mart. millwright skilled posting rawsonville 1 to ford land 1 to the rouge and 2 to buffalo but we don't know who got the outher bid to ford land and the outher 5 to the rouge. somebody help thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 millwright skilled posting rawsonville 1 to ford land 1 to the rouge and 2 to buffalo but we don't know who got the outher bid to ford land and the outher 5 to the rouge. somebody helpthank you. IIRC, the bids were only open to Rawsonville and Monroe, so the other bids must have went to Millwrights in Monroe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukeofearl Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 IIRC, the bids were only open to Rawsonville and Monroe, so the other bids must have went to Millwrights in Monroe. How sure are you of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 How sure are you of that. Haven't talked to any of them in a while, but the information I had was the bids were only at those two plants. Logic says if Rawsonville people didn't get them, then Monroe people would have had to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millwright1 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Haven't talked to any of them in a while, but the information I had was the bids were only at those two plants. Logic says if Rawsonville people didn't get them, then Monroe people would have had to. 4 from monroe are going to rouge. 0 are going to fordland and nobody jumped on the Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukeofearl Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 4 from monroe are going to rouge. 0 are going to fordland and nobody jumped on the Buffalo we are still missing 2 bids 2 to buffalo were filled at rawsonville 1 to ford land from rawsonville missing one Rouge bid was for 6 and 1 from rawsonville and 4 from monroe still missing one. What a way to find out information you would think with all the money we pay in dues that they would tell us who the successful bidders are they owe that to us. Instead who got the bids we can't tell you why because we said so. what kind of crap is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 we are still missing 2 bids 2 to buffalo were filled at rawsonville 1 to ford land from rawsonville missing one Rouge bid was for 6 and 1 from rawsonville and 4 from monroe stillmissing one. What a way to find out information you would think with all the money we pay in dues that they would tell us who the successful bidders are they owe that to us. Instead who got the bids we can't tell you why because we said so. what kind of crap is that. Maybe this was the one filled by the guy on the line at Rouge ??? The one this thread is about ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteford Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 (edited) Haven't talked to any of them in a while, but the information I had was the bids were only at those two plants. Logic says if Rawsonville people didn't get them, then Monroe people would have had to. They also posted for these job's at MSP. Only 2 MW left and we did not have enough Seniority for anything in zone. 4 tool & die going to Rouge. Edited February 6, 2009 by whiteford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukeofearl Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 They also posted for these job's at MSP. Only 2 MW left and we did not have enough Seniority for anything in zone. 4 tool & die going to Rouge. what is that maumee stamping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notsofunnymeow Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 what is that maumee stamping. yea duke thats maumee stamping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOMOTRADESMAN Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hey millwright1, if don't mind me asking what is the seniority of the 4 millwrights going to rouge?? We have a list here that shows all the millwrights in JSP and it lists 11 millwrights from Monroe and their seniority isn't that high! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hey millwright1, if don't mind me asking what is the seniority of the 4 millwrights going to rouge?? We have a list here that shows all the millwrights in JSP and it lists 11 millwrights from Monroe and their seniority isn't that high! Thanks The guys that got the transfer are working on the floor removing machinery. The ones in JSP will be called back to Monroe from JSP to take their place. I think the seniority of the MW's that got the bids were early 90's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereasonwhy Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 So these jobs were posted for guys in gen on the west side. I am getting more confused by the moment. Why couldn't anyone say the jobs were posted on the west side zone. But I still dont think the guys that went back to production should be asked till all millwrights are out of jsp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millwright1 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 The guys that got the transfer are working on the floor removing machinery. The ones in JSP will be called back to Monroe from JSP to take their place. I think the seniority of the MW's that got the bids were early 90's. Pioneer is correct with this seniority post. one of them might be about 88 or 89 and the lowest 94. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinxd Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 hey whiteford, you got any idea what the seniority of the T&D guys is. just curious cause mine is 94.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinohio Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 hey whiteford, you got any idea what the seniority of the T&D guys is. just curious cause mine is 94.... I think the lowest seniority that got the bid was '95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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