whiteford Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I think the lowest seniority that got the bid was '95 Lowest was 93 but I will check for you monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinohio Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Lowest was 93 but I will check for you monday. No its 95, he started his apprenticeship when i hired in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteford Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 hey whiteford, you got any idea what the seniority of the T&D guys is. just curious cause mine is 94.... The 4 in T&D 1 has 95 the other 3 have 93 Seniority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrballsonya Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Look here, post #10 for the Tentative Millwright Job awards. http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index...mp;#entry463068 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
level Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 You are a real card. Just give me an answer to my question that I highlighted in red in my previous post. Just a Yes or a No. Sorry......I was on vaca..............No, step 2 by seniority...in zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukeofearl Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Sure....there are multiple changes and mentions in the language that explain/allow new steps in the process. First....what gets a tradesperson from trades to production? Volume 1, Appendix N - Memorandum of understanding - Preferential placement Arrangements reads: "12. Eligible skilled tradespersons who apply for placement opportunities in production (not skilled trades) jobs will be considered for such opportunities based on their Company seniority. What if the tradesperson never had production seniority? Also in the same letter, #6 states in part that ...."skilled tradesperson with or without production service may volunteer for the available (production) openings." Okay....now he/she applies and gets it....that is new language. Now....how do they get recalled back to their trade? Same Appendix N....with some new words....in the opening paragraph.... last sentence, states: "Otherwise eligible skilled tradespersons laid off from their trade, but employed by the Company on production work, may apply for preferential placement opportunities in their trade." Those trades "working in production" are now contractually returned to production......but in preferential placement. So what opportunities do they get to apply for and where? Again same Appendix N....#1 reads (in summary): "After being placed on the preferntial placement list.....they have seniority recall rights in the same zone....and possibly in different zones as mutually agreed." We know that trades recall goes by DOE...not Company seniority to exercise trade recall, so that is how they get back. You say hear that trades may volunteer for production with no production time and this is new langauge. But on the outher thread you say its been there since 1984. I don't understand what is it a or b or pick the won that suits you at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilled1 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 You say hear that trades may volunteer for production with no production time and this is new langauge. But on the outher thread you say its been there since 1984.I don't understand what is it a or b or pick the won that suits you at the time. Look Dude. Level busted this myth and everything is legit. I don't know why you and a few others on here keep twisting this shit around . This is almost as bad as the Rawsonville posts. Try staring a new rumor............Please!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOMOTRADESMAN Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Because skilled1, the millwrights would never been put in JSP because of their seniority and LEVEL said that you could only bid on a production job if you were going to be put in JSP. They would still be working on the floor as millwrights if they didn't leave. I also have a question for everyone, why would Saline willingly let trades leave and then hire off of the street?? ( unless there was a deal???) know that they have hired millwrights off the street!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukeofearl Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Look Dude. Level busted this myth and everything is legit. I don't know why you and a few others on here keep twisting this shit around . This is almost as bad as the Rawsonville posts. Try staring a new rumor............Please!!!! It's no rumor 2 millwrights took the last bid that had no right to the bids. They were never presented with jsp or ilo and somehow went to production when they could of still been working as millwrights. They were hired off the street as millwrights with no production time 1994 seniority would of still been working as millwrights if they did'nt volunteer to go to production. Somehow transferred to dtp as production workers and were allowed to go back on there tools after saying i don't want to be a millwright anymore. The only way they can come back to there tools is if they go to hire off the street. again they were never presented with jsp or ilo they choose to leave on there own with there seniority they would still be working at there old plant as millwrights DUDE!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Because skilled1, the millwrights would never been put in JSP because of their seniority and LEVEL said that you could only bid on a production job if you were going to be put in JSP. They would still be working on the floor as millwrights if they didn't leave. I also have a question for everyone, why would Saline willingly let trades leave and then hire off of the street?? ( unless there was a deal???) know that they have hired millwrights off the street!! First if Saline got the job postings, how can they keep those MW's from leaving ?? Sure they can drag their feet but cannot deny them. While I agree its ridiculous...the hiring of trades off of the street while so many are in JSP, Sheldon Road has many trades that were hired that way. Some are reloaders, some clearly off the street. What's the plan from Ford/UAW for emptying trades out of JSP ?? I hear from our Gen Welders there are 30-40 of them in JSP. Kind of hard to blend that many into various plants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukeofearl Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 First if Saline got the job postings, how can they keep those MW's from leaving ?? Sure they can drag their feet but cannot deny them. While I agree its ridiculous...the hiring of trades off of the street while so many are in JSP, Sheldon Road has many trades that were hired that way. Some are reloaders, some clearly off the street. What's the plan from Ford/UAW for emptying trades out of JSP ?? I hear from our Gen Welders there are 30-40 of them in JSP. Kind of hard to blend that many into various plants. They left as production workers not trades a while back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Look Dude.Level busted this myth and everything is legit. I don't know why you and a few others on here keep twisting this shit around . This is almost as bad as the Rawsonville posts. Try staring a new rumor............Please!!!! Yeah and he used up a whole screen to bury it in. All he had to say was yes, if said tradesman(ACH or closing) goes back to prod. and flows to another plant(DTP)...DTP is his home plant and now he leapfrogs ahead of JSP regardless of JSP seniority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOMOTRADESMAN Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Only Rawsonville and Monroe got the bids, according to the paperwork!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Only Rawsonville and Monroe got the bids, according to the paperwork!! No comment there. SRP has no one in JSP presently. But they continue rolling TLO's. Some want the JSP or ILO just so we would get the opportunity to bid on something, in zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukeofearl Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Only Rawsonville and Monroe got the bids, according to the paperwork!! rawsonville monroe maumee and wixiom were the 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
level Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 You say hear that trades may volunteer for production with no production time and this is new langauge. But on the outher thread you say its been there since 1984.I don't understand what is it a or b or pick the won that suits you at the time. No...let me clarify bro. There has been a letter in the contract since 1984 about trades who bust back that never had production time...it tells how they determine their production seniority in such a case. That is specifically what i was questioned about in that other thread. The new language here was about how you bust what, under what conditions, and how you get back with a recall.....not about production seniority date. I hope that clears it up for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
level Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) It's no rumor 2 millwrights took the last bid that had no right to the bids. They were never presented with jsp or ilo and somehow went to production when they could of still been working as millwrights. They were hired off the street as millwrights with no production time 1994 seniority would of still been working as millwrights if they did'nt volunteer to go to production. Somehow transferred to dtp as production workers and were allowed to go back on there tools after saying i don't want to be a millwright anymore. The only way they can come back to there tools is if they go to hire off the street. again they were never presented with jsp or ilo they choose to leave on there own with there seniority they would still be working at there old plant as millwrights DUDE!!!!!!!!!! You are full of shit. They had production time....your facts are wrong.........get it right or shut up. I am sooooooo friggin sick and tired of azzholes coming on here pointing crooked fingers with a bunch of bullshit facts. I at least verify what i say against records, so don't friggin tell me........I am telling you............. I know what I am saying.......you don't.......get it? THEY HAD FORMER PRODUCTION TIME.....I checked the records.........YOU ARE WRONG.... THEY WERE CALLED BACK IN LINE WITH THEIR SENIORITY.......I checked the process and seniority...........YOU ARE WRONG BY PLACEMENT HIERARCHY CONTRACT LANGUAGE STEP 2 AND DIDN'T SCREW ANYONE OVER........YOU ARE WRONG NOW, WHAT PART DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT YOU BEING WRONG?????? Edited February 14, 2009 by level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 THEY HAD FORMER PRODUCTION TIME.....I checked the records.........YOU ARE WRONG.... THEY WERE CALLED BACK IN LINE WITH THEIR SENIORITY(As #2 in callback which IS ahead of JSPers).......I checked the process and seniority...........YOU ARE WRONG BY PLACEMENT HIERARCHY CONTRACT LANGUAGE STEP 2 AND DIDN'T SCREW ANYONE OVER........YOU ARE WRONG NOW, WHAT PART DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT YOU BEING WRONG?????? HEY DUKE....when they went back to prod and assumed a new HOME plant, they jumped ahead of all JSPers. You need to talk to the idiots who negotiated this hierarchy in the 2007 contract. I also don't like it as I feel if there are higher SEN. that are laid off AND not working, they should be a higher proirity than some who go to prod and ARE STILL working. But hey its done and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yng jedi Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I did see the seniority list for the millwright transfers. There are two workers from DTP that received the millwright bids to DTP. It is very clear on the seniority list that their Ford hire-in date is the same as their trades date. When did they work production? Are the dates on the transfer list wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I did see the seniority list for the millwright transfers. There are two workers from DTP that received the millwright bids to DTP. It is very clear on the seniority list that their Ford hire-in date is the same as their trades date. When did they work production? Are the dates on the transfer list wrong? No they are probably not wrong. There is language for trades with no prior prod. to go there. ITs the heirarchy for callback that is screwed up. By the way what is their seniority ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrballsonya Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Yet again, sorry to be taking this thread in a different direction, but I've got a question for LEVEL. Under the last contract, I seem to remember a provision that would allow for a committee to be assembled, that would discuss possible retraining of the Trades. Level do you know if this committee was ever formed? If so, have there been any recent breakthroughs, that might get the "retraining" ball rolling any time soon. In a perfect world, I'd love to remain a Millwright for Ford Motor Company. But it has become increasingly clear over the last couple of years, that I don't live in a perfect world, and my chances of ever working as a Ford Millwright again, grow slimmer by the week. It really seems a shame, that Ford has such a glut of certain trades (Millwrights,Toolmakers, Machine Repair) and yet such demand for others (Electricians, PSO's). I know I can't speak for all of my fellow laid off tradesmen, but If it would get me working again, I'd love to go through another apprenticeship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukeofearl Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 You are full of shit. They had production time....your facts are wrong.........get it right or shut up. I am sooooooo friggin sick and tired of azzholes coming on here pointing crooked fingers with a bunch of bullshit facts. I at least verify what i say against records, so don't friggin tell me........I am telling you............. I know what I am saying.......you don't.......get it? THEY HAD FORMER PRODUCTION TIME.....I checked the records.........YOU ARE WRONG.... THEY WERE CALLED BACK IN LINE WITH THEIR SENIORITY.......I checked the process and seniority...........YOU ARE WRONG BY PLACEMENT HIERARCHY CONTRACT LANGUAGE STEP 2 AND DIDN'T SCREW ANYONE OVER........YOU ARE WRONG NOW, WHAT PART DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT YOU BEING WRONG?????? The list that all locals have is the same list that is posted on page 4 the last post on this thread. Everybody that we have talked to have said that their seniority is right on that list so now your saying the only two that is wrong is the two in dispute i hardly think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriper Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 You are full of shit. They had production time....your facts are wrong.........get it right or shut up. I am sooooooo friggin sick and tired of azzholes coming on here pointing crooked fingers with a bunch of bullshit facts. I at least verify what i say against records, so don't friggin tell me........I am telling you............. I know what I am saying.......you don't.......get it? THEY HAD FORMER PRODUCTION TIME.....I checked the records.........YOU ARE WRONG.... THEY WERE CALLED BACK IN LINE WITH THEIR SENIORITY.......I checked the process and seniority...........YOU ARE WRONG BY PLACEMENT HIERARCHY CONTRACT LANGUAGE STEP 2 AND DIDN'T SCREW ANYONE OVER........YOU ARE WRONG NOW, WHAT PART DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT YOU BEING WRONG?????? level this is very easy,ALL questions are simply yes or no ,has there been a millwright recently put on in the rouge complex ,who originally flowedback ..{to the complex...ie DTP..under the visteon,,or ahc agreement as production,}|,,yes or no,PLEASE NO CONTRACT VERBAGE NEEDED!!!!,,WAS SAID MILLWRIGHT WORKING AS A MILLWRIGHT WHEN HE VOLUNTARILLAY GAVE UP HIS SKILLED TRADES CLASSIFACTION,{at saline}..yes or no???we have dates!!,now has said millwright been afforded the oppurtinity to go back on his or her trade,ONCE AGAIN SIMPLY YES OR NO!!!,IF SO PLEASE CLARIFY AND VERIFY THE CONTRACT VERBAGE THAT ALLOWS THIS ,,,because several hundred of us would like to be afforded this oppurtinity,,,,thank you,,,,,if this employee was afforded a different oppurtinity please explain,, so the rest of us might be able to use this clause to the benefit of us and our families,,,THANK YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 level this is very easy,ALL questions are simply yes or no ,has there been a millwright recently put on in the rouge complex ,who originally flowedback ..{to the complex...ie DTP..under the visteon,,or ahc agreement as production,}|,,yes or no,PLEASE NO CONTRACT VERBAGE NEEDED!!!!,,WAS SAID MILLWRIGHT WORKING AS A MILLWRIGHT WHEN HE VOLUNTARILLAY GAVE UP HIS SKILLED TRADES CLASSIFACTION,{at saline}..yes or no???we have dates!!,now has said millwright been afforded the oppurtinity to go back on his or her trade,ONCE AGAIN SIMPLY YES OR NO!!!,IF SO PLEASE CLARIFY AND VERIFY THE CONTRACT VERBAGE THAT ALLOWS THIS ,,,because several hundred of us would like to be afforded this oppurtinity,,,,thank you,,,,,if this employee was afforded a different oppurtinity please explain,, so the rest of us might be able to use this clause to the benefit of us and our families,,,THANK YOU Good Luck. He doesnt know how to answer a question simply. He will just tell you that he already answered this and for you to go look for it. ............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiredofit Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Because skilled1, the millwrights would never been put in JSP because of their seniority and LEVEL said that you could only bid on a production job if you were going to be put in JSP. They would still be working on the floor as millwrights if they didn't leave. I also have a question for everyone, why would Saline willingly let trades leave and then hire off of the street?? ( unless there was a deal???) know that they have hired millwrights off the street!! WOW... did Saline hire Millwrights off the street lately? The last time they hired from the street was around 2000 long before all this BS started. At that time there were no Millwrights in JSP at least none who wanted to transfer. There are currently 8 Millwrights on temporary loan to Saline but nothing permanent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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