400 now 228 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 NICE TRY Set up was so transparent. I'll quote getto."we may be UAW that doesn't make us stupid"You are a pathetic p.o.s. yeah this all happened within the last 60 hours!! STOP THE SCARE TATICS its not going to work . Terry your desperation is pathetic just one more example of why you gotta go!!! YOU LOST ALL CREDIBILITY in this plant now try and take it like a man. VOTE NO Maybe you can go down to NC, follow the work maybe you could organize down there. Start a union of non striking members. wow , pretty soon we will have the non-striking union ..terry is really disappointed me as well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrballsonya Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) I must say I'm a little alarmed hearing that a couple of guys on this thread stated that they were "Told to Vote one way". I would hope that everyone who voted listened to all the facts that were presented, read any available language revisions and then formed their own opinion on how they should vote. It's my opinion that you Sterling guys read the same garbage that we all did, and you then voted accordingly. This deal absolutely stunk, and from looking at the vote totals almost every other Ford plant in the system voted accordingly. Who knows If you guys will lose out on the rear drive unit, I hope you don't, but if you do; like others have already stated it probably was going to happen anyway. I think one of the things that disappointed me the most about this contract revision, was the audacity of both Ford and The IUAW to present us with such ambiguous contractual language. I guess it shouldn't really surprise me, given the utter worthlessness of our previous "Contracts". But in reading the highlights, I'm given the distinct impression that the IUAW must simply be pocketing all the "lawyer money" for themselves. Any first year law student would heartily laugh at the supposed product and job "guarantees" in this proposed amendment. How many times have you ever signed a contract with a bank, where you agreed to give them easily definable, fixed monthly payments and in return they only agreed to "discuss" the possibility of giving you a car or a home... maybe it'll be a yugo maybe it'll be Ferrari.... maybe we'll give it to you... maybe we won't. This scenario has never happened because it's totally absurd. The word "discussions" should never be used in any contract highlights. The word "discussions" holds about as much contractual value as hearing rumors from the likes of your cousin Larry who's a cleaner down at the glass house. If Ford really wants us to grant more concessions to the contract that they agreed upon just 2 years ago, the very same one that we already renegotiated once. They really need to stop treating us all like adversarial, 6th grade dropouts and respect the fact that we want actual product and job guarantees and not empty promises to "discuss things", and loophole riddled contract language. The line between Ford upper management and our IUAW leadership has now become as thin as our job security. It's becoming very difficult to justify paying Union dues to people that let allow the Company to run roughshod over them. I realize we are in a global economy in which manufacturing companies are leaving the US as fast they can, and it is a daunting task for our IUAW officials to just keep the jobs we have, but at some point they need to take a stand and resolutely say "enough is enough". With regards to this proposed amendment, I'll use the same answer as Alan Mulally used at the Big 3 congressional hearings.... when asked if he'd take a pay cut if federal aid was given to Ford Motor Co.... Mulally eloquently stated "No thanks, I'm fine where I'm at". I think the IUAW and Ford both need to take a good hard look at why this deal failed in such spectacular fashion. Maybe after some serious soul searching, a hint of research and some actual feedback from their constituents, then maybe they'll come up with a real proposal. Edited October 30, 2009 by mrballsonya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kel25 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 So most of you guys are saying Sterling voted no and so the powers that be in 1 day picked up the phone and had a company in NC for the work. Think about it!!!!! DTP just voted it down so according to you guys tomorrow they'll call a company in mexico and lose that work. Wake up the deal stink none of us want to strike in 2011 but we also don't want it taken away from us. Think about all the men and women that fought for that right and anyone who voted yes should be ashamed. Also think about in 15 years when alot of us will be retiring and these 14 dollar and hour people will be voting on our contract do you think they will give to shits about us giving up something for them to get a little pay raise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0824sgt Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Can I get an AMEN??? AAAAMMMEEENNN!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
228electrician Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 So most of you guys are saying Sterling voted no and so the powers that be in 1 day picked up the phone and had a company in NC for the work. Think about it!!!! think about it,, lets do that, no one yet has won this contract, even thou sterling, as well as other companies have bids in, and since ford did not accept a bid yet, its open to go anywhere, i would think that this is a rumor also, but i have talked with the corporate engineers that are at our plant during the installs, they were to be in the plant for a couple more years during all these big jobs that are coming into sterling, but now they have a date to leave the plant which is before the end of the year , which should make a bunch of people at sterling worried, but the vote is done and we need the rest of the locals to vote no 100% now to send ford back to the table instead of pinning locals against locals!!!! We need ford to start making ford parts, not to source them to small shops just to piss off the union. and other locals better think about it cause there are alot of high senority at sterling, and now with the lastest contract, if we get laid off, we are bumping others out of other plants!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 seater Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 think about it,, lets do that, no one yet has won this contract, even thou sterling, as well as other companies have bids in, and since ford did not accept a bid yet, its open to go anywhere, i would think that this is a rumor also, but i have talked with the corporate engineers that are at our plant during the installs, they were to be in the plant for a couple more years during all these big jobs that are coming into sterling, but now they have a date to leave the plant which is before the end of the year , which should make a bunch of people at sterling worried, but the vote is done and we need the rest of the locals to vote no 100% now to send ford back to the table instead of pinning locals against locals!!!! We need ford to start making ford parts, not to source them to small shops just to piss off the union. and other locals better think about it cause there are alot of high senority at sterling, and now with the lastest contract, if we get laid off, we are bumping others out of other plants!!!! Good luck with that bumping, there are temps working all over the place with people still laid off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kel25 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 think about it,, lets do that, no one yet has won this contract, even thou sterling, as well as other companies have bids in, and since ford did not accept a bid yet, its open to go anywhere, i would think that this is a rumor also, but i have talked with the corporate engineers that are at our plant during the installs, they were to be in the plant for a couple more years during all these big jobs that are coming into sterling, but now they have a date to leave the plant which is before the end of the year , which should make a bunch of people at sterling worried, but the vote is done and we need the rest of the locals to vote no 100% now to send ford back to the table instead of pinning locals against locals!!!! We need ford to start making ford parts, not to source them to small shops just to piss off the union. and other locals better think about it cause there are alot of high senority at sterling, and now with the lastest contract, if we get laid off, we are bumping others out of other plants!!!! Thats what I was saying I glad everyone is voting NO is about time we stood together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTION! You were supposed to learn this as a child. You and the majority voted NO. You told Ford you may very well strike in 2011. Did you expect top management, (lousy, greedy capitalists that they are) that make all those milllions to go hide in the corner? They didn't, they fired back. They will continue to fire back. From this moment forward you are negotiating for 2011.You picked this time, right now to fight.I didn't believe now was a good time, you did, so be it. You can believe this though, start saving some money. Ford has just shown you they will fight. It could be a long one. Hey sappy, why don't you have a nice cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP! I am sure Jeff and the rest of the negotiators and IUAW will have no problem walking out on your dumbasses in 2011. I will tell you this, it will more than likely be before then, you company fk. The only reason that this agreement was taken back in front of us members is for our future of pattern bargaining, not so you can line your pockets with bonuses. So crawl back under your desk and shut the fuck up. The vote is over...the membership made it clear that they were fed up. You are still very close to bankruptcy so keep your pie hole shut. A strike would have you selling off your shit like GM and Chrysler. So all we did is tell our leaders how fed up we are with the company's BS. So blame yourselves for this thing dying, not us members. 723's for everyone, bank on it dk! Now go to the salaried only site and blow each other! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hey sappy, why don't you have a nice cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP! I am sure Jeff and the rest of the negotiators and IUAW will have no problem walking out on your dumbasses in 2011. I will tell you this, it will more than likely be before then, you company fk. The only reason that this agreement was taken back in front of us members is for our future of pattern bargaining, not so you can line your pockets with bonuses. So crawl back under your desk and shut the fuck up. The vote is over...the membership made it clear that they were fed up. You are still very close to bankruptcy so keep your pie hole shut. A strike would have you selling off your shit like GM and Chrysler. So all we did is tell our leaders how fed up we are with the company's BS. So blame yourselves for this thing dying, not us members. 723's for everyone, bank on it dk! Now go to the salaried only site and blow each other! Little damage control Cap? You're a transparent front-running phony. Your politics smell bad. Not only that but there are Nuns at the convent that have a better grasp of foul language than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uawwidow Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTION! You were supposed to learn this as a child. You and the majority voted NO. You told Ford you may very well strike in 2011. Did you expect top management, (lousy, greedy capitalists that they are) that make all those milllions to go hide in the corner? They didn't, they fired back. They will continue to fire back. From this moment forward you are negotiating for 2011.You picked this time, right now to fight.I didn't believe now was a good time, you did, so be it. You can believe this though, start saving some money. Ford has just shown you they will fight. It could be a long one. The Top Management (those greedy capitalists) as you say, are the fucking reason we're in this mess. Most of them couldnt manage a fucking pie factory. Hell yes, we're tired of the same old tired rhetoric from you assholes. You know what I say ? Fire back all the fuck you want. Fire at will. You stupid coxuckers will kill the only thing thats keepin your sorry asses alive. The blue collar working class, the line workers, tradesmen and women will survive, cause thats what we do. We survive. Your pathetic sorry, non working fucking ass will be sellin insurance or maybe telemarketing. The Union folks have had enough. The elitists such as yourself just cant stand that, can you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEagle Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 think about it,, lets do that, no one yet has won this contract, even thou sterling, as well as other companies have bids in, and since ford did not accept a bid yet, its open to go anywhere, i would think that this is a rumor also, but i have talked with the corporate engineers that are at our plant during the installs, they were to be in the plant for a couple more years during all these big jobs that are coming into sterling, but now they have a date to leave the plant which is before the end of the year , which should make a bunch of people at sterling worried, but the vote is done and we need the rest of the locals to vote no 100% now to send ford back to the table instead of pinning locals against locals!!!! We need ford to start making ford parts, not to source them to small shops just to piss off the union. and other locals better think about it cause there are alot of high senority at sterling, and now with the lastest contract, if we get laid off, we are bumping others out of other plants!!!! 228elec is exactly right! I am worried. I also accept the decision! Solidarity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEagle Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Hey sappy, why don't you have a nice cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP! I am sure Jeff and the rest of the negotiators and IUAW will have no problem walking out on your dumbasses in 2011. I will tell you this, it will more than likely be before then, you company fk. The only reason that this agreement was taken back in front of us members is for our future of pattern bargaining, not so you can line your pockets with bonuses. So crawl back under your desk and shut the fuck up. The vote is over...the membership made it clear that they were fed up. You are still very close to bankruptcy so keep your pie hole shut. A strike would have you selling off your shit like GM and Chrysler. So all we did is tell our leaders how fed up we are with the company's BS. So blame yourselves for this thing dying, not us members. 723's for everyone, bank on it dk! Now go to the salaried only site and blow each other! Yeah fuck those salaried fucks!!! They all get fatter and try to make us weaker! I am sure after this vote we are going to see some action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizzie228 Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Yeah fuck those salaried fucks!!! They all get fatter and try to make us weaker! I am sure after this vote we are going to see some action. From the Detroit News: "I don't think people here really understood that the work we had been promised was contingent on ratification," said Sterling Axle UAW member Brian Pannebecker, who voted in favor of the agreement and is now helping to organize a petition in support of revote. Dept. 16 Loads the line and works on the welder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEagle Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 From the Detroit News: "I don't think people here really understood that the work we had been promised was contingent on ratification," said Sterling Axle UAW member Brian Pannebecker, who voted in favor of the agreement and is now helping to organize a petition in support of revote. Dept. 16 Loads the line and works on the welder. I am sure that is just the beginning of it. I heard he was asked to stop the petition because it would not matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Little damage control Cap? You're a transparent front-running phony. Your politics smell bad. Not only that but there are Nuns at the convent that have a better grasp of foul language than you. go suk under the desk company fk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the new eye Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTION! You were supposed to learn this as a child. You and the majority voted NO. You told Ford you may very well strike in 2011. Did you expect top management, (lousy, greedy capitalists that they are) that make all those milllions to go hide in the corner? They didn't, they fired back. They will continue to fire back. From this moment forward you are negotiating for 2011.You picked this time, right now to fight.I didn't believe now was a good time, you did, so be it. You can believe this though, start saving some money. Ford has just shown you they will fight. It could be a long one. When do suppose we start the fight when theirs NO more JOBS . I dont belive the company wants a LABOR DISPUTE right NOW . So accept the fact that its people like you should be ashamed of yourself , instead of being completely in SOLIDARITY we have you and others that what to give ,give ,give until theirs nothing left THANK GOD THAT MY UAW BROTHERS & SISTERS ARE NOT COWARDS LIKE YOU SOUUPY !!!! YOU SHOULD TRY AND FIND A CAREER IN ALABAMA you would fit right in sucking off of others struggle ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 When do suppose we start the fight when theirs NO more JOBS . I dont belive the company wants a LABOR DISPUTE right NOW . So accept the fact that its people like you should be ashamed of yourself , instead of being completely in SOLIDARITY we have you and others that what to give ,give ,give until theirs nothing left THANK GOD THAT MY UAW BROTHERS & SISTERS ARE NOT COWARDS LIKE YOU SOUUPY !!!! YOU SHOULD TRY AND FIND A CAREER IN ALABAMA you would fit right in sucking off of others struggle ..... You voted NO to jobs by rejecting this Mod that contained product committement. Ford in response to your no vote has already pulled a project in Sterling. That's why this thread was started, remember? Your NO vote has already cost jobs. Bryce G. Hoffman / The Detroit News No vote will have consequences The next move will likely be Ford's. Company sources said there would be consequence for the UAW. They said several product lines that would be cheaper to manufacture elsewhere were promised to American factories as a reward for union's cooperation. Now that workers have made it clear they are no longer willing to cooperate, at least some of that production could be transferred to other countries. More jobs lost thanks to your NO vote. Try opening your new-eye!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster B Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 You voted NO to jobs by rejecting this Mod that contained product committement. Ford in response to your no vote has already pulled a project in Sterling. That's why this thread was started, remember?Your NO vote has already cost jobs. Bryce G. Hoffman / The Detroit News No vote will have consequences The next move will likely be Ford's. Company sources said there would be consequence for the UAW. They said several product lines that would be cheaper to manufacture elsewhere were promised to American factories as a reward for union's cooperation. Now that workers have made it clear they are no longer willing to cooperate, at least some of that production could be transferred to other countries. More jobs lost thanks to your NO vote. Try opening your new-eye!! They did'nt pull anything YET! The job is back in experimental engineering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 You voted NO to jobs by rejecting this Mod that contained product committement. Ford in response to your no vote has already pulled a project in Sterling. That's why this thread was started, remember?Your NO vote has already cost jobs. Bryce G. Hoffman / The Detroit News No vote will have consequences The next move will likely be Ford's. Company sources said there would be consequence for the UAW. They said several product lines that would be cheaper to manufacture elsewhere were promised to American factories as a reward for union's cooperation. Now that workers have made it clear they are no longer willing to cooperate, at least some of that production could be transferred to other countries. More jobs lost thanks to your NO vote. Try opening your new-eye!! How about I open my one eye and piss on you with it...company fk! Their are also consequences for your side acting like dumbases also! wait and you will soon see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uawwidow Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 You voted NO to jobs by rejecting this Mod that contained product committement. Ford in response to your no vote has already pulled a project in Sterling. That's why this thread was started, remember?Your NO vote has already cost jobs. Bryce G. Hoffman / The Detroit News No vote will have consequences The next move will likely be Ford's. Company sources said there would be consequence for the UAW. They said several product lines that would be cheaper to manufacture elsewhere were promised to American factories as a reward for union's cooperation. Now that workers have made it clear they are no longer willing to cooperate, at least some of that production could be transferred to other countries. More jobs lost thanks to your NO vote. Try opening your new-eye!! The same old tired committments that should have been fulfilled already. Commit, then recommit, then think about it and commit again. Fuck you, the concessions given up in March financed the fucking plant in China. Ford made surprising $$ this quarter. Under the same agreement that they needed the modification to, talk about being fucking piggish. Get a fuckin grip Soppy or Soupy whatever it is, Hear this........the WORKING men and women of UAW Ford aren't giving another fucking inch for it to be used against us by the greedy bastards in the glass house. We willingly approved concessions in March in the spirit of helping Ford in a terrible time,they, you (management) kicked our teeth in with foriegn investment to take our work; in the spirit of killing a willing partner. NO MORE !!!! Go Fuck Yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEagle Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 They did'nt pull anything YET! The job is back in experimental engineering. B, you think just because experimental engineering has the axle that we are guarenteed to get it? I still think our Pres was right, this agreement sucked but it had work we needed for our plant! I hope they find another way to get the work committed to Sterling or this will be a slow painful death! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trufflebuns Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 The same old tired committments that should have been fulfilled already. Commit, then recommit, then think about it and commit again. Fuck you, the concessions given up in March financed the fucking plant in China. Ford made surprising $$ this quarter. Under the same agreement that they needed the modification to, talk about being fucking piggish. Get a fuckin grip Soppy or Soupy whatever it is, Hear this........the WORKING men and women of UAW Ford aren't giving another fucking inch for it to be used against us by the greedy bastards in the glass house. We willingly approved concessions in March in the spirit of helping Ford in a terrible time,they, you (management) kicked our teeth in with foriegn investment to take our work; in the spirit of killing a willing partner. NO MORE !!!! Go Fuck Yourself Fucking Well Said Sister!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 How about I open my one eye and piss on you with it...company fk! Their are also consequences for your side acting like dumbases also! wait and you will soon see! You must mean squat, you phony front-running whore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
228electrician Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 doesn't anybody get along at sterling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEagle Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 comeon Jeff, we know you were on the bargining team, no need to talk in 3rd person. Thx for the compliment! I have stated many times none of us are Jeff but you keep guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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