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Ford has already announced the discontinuing of the Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, and Town Car (Panther Platform) in the 3rd quarter of 2011. This unfortunately means the end of St. Thomas Assembly Plant for Ford. I believe Ford and the CAW have agreed to put 2 new products in Oakville Assembly Comlex to keep Ford's equity in the Canadian market. Does anyone know what, if any, products will go into Oakville Assembly? My guess is the Ford Mondeo and Ford S-Max, both from Europe...Thanks!

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The "new products" are just the redesign of the products they currently have. There will be no "new" work going to Oakville, and my guess, it won't be long before the products they have will be moved elsewhere.

Hope you are better at predicting weather in your new farming profession.

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Hope you are better at predicting weather in your new farming profession.

 

I'll keep that comment in mind in 5 years when Ford starts moving product elsewhere.

 

Face it, if they were willing to cut STAP, what chance do you think OAC has?

 

But go ahead, enlighten us all with what "new vehicle" you will be getting

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Lincoln’s new livery vehicles will be manufactured at Oakville Assembly Complex starting in early 2012.

Lincoln announced at the LCT Leadership Summit is introducing two new vehicles based off the Lincoln MKT full-size premium crossover .

http://www.at.ford.com/news/cn/Pages/NewLiverySolutionsBasedonLincolnMKTtoOfferAll-WheelDrive,StandardWi-Fi,Comfort.aspx

 

sorry I understand non employees are not to post on these forums but I hope this news is OK as it is your companies news.

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Face it, if they were willing to cut STAP, what chance do you think OAC has?

First off, I have nothing against the people at STAP. I hope things work for them whether they come to OAC, take a buyout, or whatever.

 

That said, this is the reality. It has little to do with manpower and more to do with logistics:

  1. The CV, GM and TC are not in Ford's future. Not that I like it, I've got my own feelings about it (and the Ranger as well). But that is reality.
  2. Because the products at STAP are being discontinued, they haven't got the equipment to run a flex assembly plant.
  3. Because of Ford's finances, they can't retool your plant (at least now) for flex production.

 

OAC has:

  1. Flex assembly already
  2. Proximity to vendors
  3. Room for expansion on-site
  4. FOC headquarters on site in a very public high visibility area

 

Tell me, what plant would you close?

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First off, I have nothing against the people at STAP. I hope things work for them whether they come to OAC, take a buyout, or whatever.

 

That said, this is the reality. It has little to do with manpower and more to do with logistics:

  1. The CV, GM and TC are not in Ford's future. Not that I like it, I've got my own feelings about it (and the Ranger as well). But that is reality.
  2. Because the products at STAP are being discontinued, they haven't got the equipment to run a flex assembly plant.
  3. Because of Ford's finances, they can't retool your plant (at least now) for flex production.

 

OAC has:

  1. Flex assembly already
  2. Proximity to vendors
  3. Room for expansion on-site
  4. FOC headquarters on site in a very public high visibility area

 

Tell me, what plant would you close?

 

STAP is a corn field. You know that right?

There is nothing around it for miles. You could build a city around it if you WANTED to.

I started in 1983, we built the CV/GM both 2 door and 4 door the Country Squire station wagon and the UNIBODY Escort. I think that's pretty flexible? Our union panicked in light of everything going on at the time. Nothing should have been signed until the contract we had expired in 2011.

NOTHING SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSED.

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STAP is a corn field. You know that right?

There is nothing around it for miles. You could build a city around it if you WANTED to.

Key point: Nobody WANTS to.

We have suppliers with a few miles, and they don't just service Ford. Hard to convince suppliers to move to an isolated area and make them produce.

 

 

I started in 1983, we built the CV/GM both 2 door and 4 door the Country Squire station wagon and the UNIBODY Escort. I think that's pretty flexible?

Yes, and the plant was tooled to do that. The different style cars might have travelled down the same final line but they sure didn't travel down the same body line.

 

You cannot do it now, without ripping out everything and starting new, like they did at OAC. If you don't understand that then you don't understand what "Flex Manufacturing" means in 2010 terms.

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Lincoln's new livery vehicles will be manufactured at Oakville Assembly Complex starting in early 2012.

Lincoln announced at the LCT Leadership Summit is introducing two new vehicles based off the Lincoln MKT full-size premium crossover .

http://www.at.ford.c...Fi,Comfort.aspx

 

sorry I understand non employees are not to post on these forums but I hope this news is OK as it is your companies news.

 

I thought this was worth repeating. Did you see the last line of this article?

 

 

EDIT: Sorry, forgot to finish posting the link.

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...sorry I understand non employees are not to post on these forums but I hope this news is OK as it is your companies news.

MKII, you are perfectly able to post on this forum as it is not in the "employee section"...the original poster placed it here in "Global Ford Products" for whatever reason...so feel free to add your two cents worth.

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MKII, you are perfectly able to post on this forum as it is not in the "employee section"...the original poster placed it here in "Global Ford Products" for whatever reason...so feel free to add your two cents worth.

Wow, limo's? thats the "new' product our great union got us during the last negotiations?Although we did build some mkt hearses this week! people are dying to get a ride in one of those i hear.

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First off, I have nothing against the people at STAP. I hope things work for them whether they come to OAC, take a buyout, or whatever.

 

That said, this is the reality. It has little to do with manpower and more to do with logistics:

  1. The CV, GM and TC are not in Ford's future. Not that I like it, I've got my own feelings about it (and the Ranger as well). But that is reality.
  2. Because the products at STAP are being discontinued, they haven't got the equipment to run a flex assembly plant.
  3. Because of Ford's finances, they can't retool your plant (at least now) for flex production.

 

Nobody is denying the issues, or future at STAP

 

OAC has:

  1. Flex assembly already
 
I will whine here, but that investment was for us. The CAW backstabbed us and you got it. My guess is, Ford wishes they had the balls to tell the union to go screw themselves on that one
 
Proximity to vendors
 
Well, we have vendors as close to us as you do. It's not as if we are in the same boat as Norfolk or Atlanta.
 
Sorry, but that's a weak argument
 
Room for expansion on-site
 
I've only ever driven past the plant, but from everything I've been told, you're pretty land locked. Compared to the hundreds of acres available around STAP, you really don't have much land
 
FOC headquarters on site in a very public high visibility area

 

With the amount of employes left in Canada, my guess is the need for a huge Canadian Headquarters will be less. Especially when the majority of them are closer to Dearborn, than they are to Oakville. Plus, the land you are sitting on is worth something. And I'm sure the million dollar homes around you would prefer there be other million dollar homes around them, and not an assembly plant. At STAP, the only thing around it is a couple cows. The land is worth nothing, and there is plenty of it.

 

Tell me, what plant would you close?

 

The plant who can produce more than three vehicles without 2 of them needing to be repaired.

 

STAP has always been the better plant. And in a perfect world, it wouldn't be us closing. But the World ain't perfect. And to be honest, unless things drastically change, I see OAC meeting the same fate as STAP sooner rather than later.

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Then please do your best to convince STAP people not to come to Oakville and leave the jobs for the Windsor ones laid off.

 

I spoke with one of our old supervisors, and one of your new ones, and he echoed everything I said. He wondered why the quality, moral and attendance was better at the plant that is closing, then it is at the plant that is staying open. And maybe he was just trying to make us feel better, but he doesn't understand, with everything he's seen and heard before, and since he arrived at OAC, why it's staying open.

 

You can have all the Windsor guys you want. As we found out, they're pretty useless. So I'm sure they'll fit in at OAC.

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I spoke with one of our old supervisors, and one of your new ones, and he echoed everything I said. He wondered why the quality, moral and attendance was better at the plant that is closing, then it is at the plant that is staying open. And maybe he was just trying to make us feel better, but he doesn't understand, with everything he's seen and heard before, and since he arrived at OAC, why it's staying open.

 

You can have all the Windsor guys you want. As we found out, they're pretty useless. So I'm sure they'll fit in at OAC.

The only former STAP foreman that I have met couldn't tell if his ass was punched, bored or reemed. Maybe it's the 20 year old equipment he used to work with. Feel free to take him back.

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The only former STAP foreman that I have met couldn't tell if his ass was punched, bored or reemed. Maybe it's the 20 year old equipment he used to work with. Feel free to take him back.

 

Amazing how that 20 year old equipment still produced better vehicles then the brand new stuff eh?

 

Who is the new guy you spoke with? You don't have to use his real name. His initials or description should be enough. Maybe it's been all the shoveling, but off the top of my head, I can only think of 4 guys that have transfered over. Two of them are good guys, the 3rd is average, but the forth is a dick.

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I spoke with one of our old supervisors, and one of your new ones, and he echoed everything I said. He wondered why the quality, moral and attendance was better at the plant that is closing, then it is at the plant that is staying open. And maybe he was just trying to make us feel better, but he doesn't understand, with everything he's seen and heard before, and since he arrived at OAC, why it's staying open.

 

You can have all the Windsor guys you want. As we found out, they're pretty useless. So I'm sure they'll fit in at OAC.

Somebody is bitter. If OAC isn't up to your standards, then find a new job and make some room for somebody else. Sounds like your the one that doesn't fit in.

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Somebody is bitter. If OAC isn't up to your standards, then find a new job and make some room for somebody else. Sounds like your the one that doesn't fit in.

 

Sounds like reading comprehension is a problem for you.

 

Go back and re-read what I wrote. Then apologize for your mistake.

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