daveyb Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 :reading: I was reading about this on a blog and it kinda makes some sense. If you don't agree I'm sure you'll let me know. It's been proposed that since Rawsonville Plant only has 300 or so workers left, that they tranfer what work they have left to Saline (We'll find the room!), bring that blue oval that only god and uncle joel knows how they got back, and the problem is solved. For the life of me I can't find the barn, or the little barn behind the barn, that's supposed to be at Saline. But if it's out there, there's plenty of room for more production. With Goddard and Kanitz as co-leaders, how could we go wrong? :yup: We can all be "dark" blue together, and the love will last forever. amen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTP Nick Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 :reading: I was reading about this on a blog and it kinda makes some sense. If you don't agree I'm sure you'll let me know. It's been proposed that since Rawsonville Plant only has 300 or so workers left, that they tranfer what work they have left to Saline (We'll find the room!), bring that blue oval that only god and uncle joel knows how they got back, and the problem is solved. For the life of me I can't find the barn, or the little barn behind the barn, that's supposed to be at Saline. But if it's out there, there's plenty of room for more production. With Goddard and Kanitz as co-leaders, how could we go wrong? :yup: We can all be "dark" blue together, and the love will last forever. amen. The Saline Ford sign is at a TOPSECRET location being readied to get put back up in the next six weeks from what I hear from The HILO guys at Saline. Saline is the most important plant in the world and can NEVER be shut down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 With Goddard and Kanitz as co-leaders, how could we go wrong? :yup: That right there kills any chance of Saline remaining open in any way. Ford will sell that place as quickly as possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert77 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Seroiusly though, I was wondering why Ford hasn't just taken the rest of the products they are forced to keep producing from out of state Ach plants, (Sandusky,Indy, Etc...) stuff them into Raws, Sterling, Sheldon Rd & Saline,(Making them Blue Oval again). They could easily get tax breaks for moving the product here, Probably profitably produce these lower margin products with the 2nd teir employees, and reduce major overhead by getting rid of those plants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTP Nick Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Seroiusly though, I was wondering why Ford hasn't just taken the rest of the products they are forced to keep producing from out of state Ach plants, (Sandusky,Indy, Etc...) stuff them into Raws, Sterling, Sheldon Rd & Saline,(Making them Blue Oval again). They could easily get tax breaks for moving the product here, Probably profitably produce these lower margin products with the 2nd teir employees, and reduce major overhead by getting rid of those plants. Im sure come contract time these issues will be adressed. I think there is a good chance they will consolidate these plants under a Ford sign..time will tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Im sure come contract time these issues will be adressed. I think there is a good chance they will consolidate these plants under a Ford sign..time will tell No chance in HELL! Ford wants them GONE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdw1 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Seroiusly though, I was wondering why Ford hasn't just taken the rest of the products they are forced to keep producing from out of state Ach plants, (Sandusky,Indy, Etc...) stuff them into Raws, Sterling, Sheldon Rd & Saline,(Making them Blue Oval again). They could easily get tax breaks for moving the product here, Probably profitably produce these lower margin products with the 2nd teir employees, and reduce major overhead by getting rid of those plants. Raws couldn't handle the non visual work Sandusky sent them. How would they handle visual critical lighting? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trm1111 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 We were told at MAP that the sale of the Saline Plant to Johnson Controls was immanant. The constraint was working the problems out of the new skin molding process for the new Focus. It's ok for you Saliner's to keep on dreaming and hoping! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyb Posted March 17, 2011 Author Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) We were told at MAP that the sale of the Saline Plant to Johnson Controls was immanant. The constraint was working the problems out of the new skin molding process for the new Focus. It's ok for you Saliner's to keep on dreaming and hoping! Thank you for your permission. Alas, like you, we have no facts to go on. :rolleyes: Going for a sensical solution doesn't hurt, but it's just not the Ford Way! At least a fella can dream? :beatdeadhorse: :talkhand: Edited March 19, 2011 by daveyb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SU-FI Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) funny everyone at other plants hear more about whats happening at saline then those of us at saline. the rumor mill in those plants must be out of stories about their own and are turning to others now for their help to keep the mill going.. Edited March 18, 2011 by SU-FI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTP Nick Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) funny everyone at other plants hear more about whats happening at saline then those of us at saline. the rumor mill in those plants must be out of stories about their own and are turning to others now for their help to keep the mill going.. Thet were SUPPOSED to put the Ford sign back up outside the Saline plant this weekend but when it was being transported from its TOP SECRET location in Detroit a bunch of crackheads stole the truck that was transporting it back to Saline when the driver stopped for gas... Edited March 18, 2011 by DTP Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 funny everyone at other plants hear more about whats happening at saline then those of us at saline. the rumor mill in those plants must be out of stories about their own and are turning to others now for their help to keep the mill going.. Not at all. We simply know how often YOUR local union leadership lies to your faces, and we want our union brothers at Saline to be aware of whats really going on. Remember, they were closing, so everyone needed to leave...Hows that working out for most? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTruckin Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I am wondering why members of another local were allowed to vote in the 898 election. They didn't pay dues to 898, why should they be allowed to vote in our election? Is Saline going to let us vote in their elections? Why did those two trustees from 898 have to give up their elected positions when they transferred out but they can vote for that job but they can't run for that job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SU-FI Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I am wondering why members of another local were allowed to vote in the 898 election. They didn't pay dues to 898, why should they be allowed to vote in our election? Is Saline going to let us vote in their elections? Why did those two trustees from 898 have to give up their elected positions when they transferred out but they can vote for that job but they can't run for that job? because it's still our home plant is one reason, the other is because joel was worried people in plant werent going to re-elect him there was an email sent out with a "letter of understanding" about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 because it's still our home plant is one reason, the other is because joel was worried people in plant werent going to re-elect him there was an email sent out with a "letter of understanding" about it. Amazing isn't it? last election the temporary loan ins at Saline were allowed to vote, but this time, now that many of them have the requiered year of local membership, they are not allowed. Funny how the tools that run that local are scared of losing thier cushy jobs. maybe if they actually PERFORMED the jobs they were elected for, they wouldn't have such worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Amazing isn't it? last election the temporary loan ins at Saline were allowed to vote, but this time, now that many of them have the requiered year of local membership, they are not allowed. Funny how the tools that run that local are scared of losing thier cushy jobs. maybe if they actually PERFORMED the jobs they were elected for, they wouldn't have such worries. Local 892 did not have anything to do with it. We did'nt have an election this year. Direct your complaints to IUAW/IEB. GM and Chrysler have the same voting language for temp loans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyb Posted March 19, 2011 Author Share Posted March 19, 2011 I am wondering why members of another local were allowed to vote in the 898 election. They didn't pay dues to 898, why should they be allowed to vote in our election? Is Saline going to let us vote in their elections? Why did those two trustees from 898 have to give up their elected positions when they transferred out but they can vote for that job but they can't run for that job? well said. Nail on the head stuff. Uncle Joel is concerned for the working man. That is, the "working man" named Joel Goddard. The whole situation with the voting is like some Ghadaffi thing. " We will have free and open elections, as long as you vote for me. If not, we will go door to door and there will be no mercy or pity." It seems to me that Uncle Joel should have scammed enough cash to get out now. Maybe he could room with hose me Mubarak or something. That is some weird shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) Local 892 did not have anything to do with it. We did'nt have an election this year. Direct your complaints to IUAW/IEB. GM and Chrysler have the same voting language for temp loans. And no one knew of this language when they were allowed to vote the last election? Give us a break. This was all made up at the last minute to protect someones ass. Edited March 19, 2011 by trailfndr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 And no one knew of this language when they were allowed to vote the last election? Give us a break. This was all made up at the last minute to protect someones ass. The way I understand it this is/was a concern from GM, Chrysler and Ford for loan ins. I am sure it covered some asses, It may resolve alot of conflict later even though people are pissed about it now. And no matter what the IUAW does, There will be ton of people to bitch about it before they look into the whole reason the change was made in the first place. But with all of the uncertainty right now. It is easy to understand why people are so uptight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanduskyman Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 JC is not buying Saline.. it will never happen... JC doesn't want Saline. they don't want any of the other ACH plants either. Ford is not selling anymore ACH plants, they are all making money now with the temps, why would you sell something that makes you 10 times more profit then it did 15 years ago!.??? not gonna happen!. Business 101. overhead+production+wages-sales+15% or more profit per year="PLANT STAYS". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyb Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 JC is not buying Saline.. it will never happen... JC doesn't want Saline. they don't want any of the other ACH plants either. Ford is not selling anymore ACH plants, they are all making money now with the temps, why would you sell something that makes you 10 times more profit then it did 15 years ago!.??? not gonna happen!. Business 101. overhead+production+wages-sales+15% or more profit per year="PLANT STAYS". I'm troubled to admit this: I agree with Sandusky man. Fill them plants up with 15$ no bene's workers and it's like a Casino for FoMoCo. Call it ACH, Ford, Fords, Visteon or Vivian, it doesn't really matter. What matters is the cash. The more the betterer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 The way I understand it this is/was a concern from GM, Chrysler and Ford for loan ins. I am sure it covered some asses, It may resolve alot of conflict later even though people are pissed about it now. And no matter what the IUAW does, There will be ton of people to bitch about it before they look into the whole reason the change was made in the first place. But with all of the uncertainty right now. It is easy to understand why people are so uptight. If they can't vote, or run for office...the local should not get thier dues. They are paying for something that they can not partake in. something like being taxed without being represented...I thought THAT was unconstitutional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTP Nick Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 JC is not buying Saline.. it will never happen... JC doesn't want Saline. they don't want any of the other ACH plants either. Ford is not selling anymore ACH plants, they are all making money now with the temps, why would you sell something that makes you 10 times more profit then it did 15 years ago!.??? not gonna happen!. Business 101. overhead+production+wages-sales+15% or more profit per year="PLANT STAYS". Business 101 updated version....Ford has to pay for upkeep of the Plant, taxes, utilities, 15 dollars an hour for workers, material costs, accounting and bookkeeping costs, and investment in new machinery. If they sold the plant they would have NONE of these overhead expenses and could simply buy their parts from whoever bought the facility at the same time using the money they need to invest yearly to run saline and its upkeep for investment in NEW PRODUCTS!! i still dont understand your theory of how Ford makes money producing parts at saline and selling them to themself??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTP Nick Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Business 101 updated version....Ford has to pay for upkeep of the Plant, taxes, utilities, 15 dollars an hour for workers, material costs, accounting and bookkeeping costs, and investment in new machinery. If they sold the plant they would have NONE of these overhead expenses and could simply buy their parts from whoever bought the facility at the same time using the money they need to invest yearly to run saline and its upkeep for investment in NEW PRODUCTS!! i still dont understand your theory of how Ford makes money producing parts at saline and selling them to themself??? The chuckster LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.