silvrsvt Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I don't think this is true but I haven't had a chance to test it since my daughter doesn't let me drive it much. I'll test it next time. I'm sure it downshifts when it thinks it's necessary based on engine speed, etc. but I find it hard to believe it would downshift unnecessarily just because you tapped the brakes. Yeah that doesn't make any sense at all...if anything it would wear out the clutches faster or even possibly cause the car to break too hard (like downshifting into too low of a gear in a manual trans) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Libs won't make excuses for shitty domestic products. IMHO that makes them the true patriots. If so many Americans didn't buy foreign cars, Chevy and Ford would still be putting out crap. But Ford has been equal or better than the foreign brands for years now, so when those liberal consumers still buy imported cars it is not truly patriotic, but more like economic treason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Check the title of the thread. If you were to take the title/original post at face value, you'd think that liberals specifically have something against dual clutch transmissions. Does that mean automatics are socialist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) Man, I'd hate to see the political party behind is behind the CVT. Most likely Communists. (Oh, wait, that's CCCP!) Edited July 18, 2011 by Intrepidatious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forsche Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Libs tend to buy foreign...no secret. if it was a Toyota, they would love it. Don't forget that the liberals bailed out 2 of the big 3. If it was up to the conservatives we wouldn't have much to fight toyota with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 So, a bad review has nothing to do with transmission shift quality and all to do about political parties? If my headlight blows out should I call my local congressman? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) Does that mean automatics are socialist? Man, I'd hate to see the political party behind is behind the CVT. Most likely Communists. (Oh, wait, that's CCCP!) Uh-oh. How do folks who prefer the (excellent) manual transmission in the 2012 Ford Focus get categorized politically? Conservative? Libertarian? Flying purple people eater? Edited July 18, 2011 by aneekr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probeGT Posted July 18, 2011 Author Share Posted July 18, 2011 I guess since I'm the thread starter, I'll weigh in here and say I was mostly making a joke with that thread sub-title. I was also trying to strike a pre-emptive blow against the inevitable "oh, the NY Times is a liberal rag, I don't believe anything they say" posts. I don't actually think political persuasion has anything to do with outlook on cars, and certainly not anything to do with your views on the Focus' Powershift. Is the programming on the powershift accessible to outsiders? In other words, could aftermarket companies re-program the system to driver's specific preferences? Or, if the "problems" with powershift are a result of programming for high-MPG, could Ford have dealers simply re-program each car at the dealer's to make it more driveable, but keep the original programming on cars they submit for EPA testing? This seems like something Toyota would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Uh-oh. How do folks who prefer the (excellent) manual transmission in the 2012 Ford Focus get categorized politically? Conservative? Libertarian? Flying purple people eater? Elitist. Any chimp can drive an automatic. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 could Ford have dealers simply re-program each car at the dealer's to make it more driveable, but keep the original programming on cars they submit for EPA testing? Only if they want to go to jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 So, a bad review has nothing to do with transmission shift quality and all to do about political parties? <SARCASM> Yes, liberals don't like to drive vehicles assembled by Union labor here in the USA. Instead, they prefer to use the free market to choose an import branded vehicle that was assembled by non-union labor in a right to work state. <SARCASM> If my headlight blows out should I call my local congressman? <SARCASM> Only if it's a GM or Chrysler product. <SARCASM> I guess since I'm the thread starter, I'll weigh in here and say I was mostly making a joke with that thread sub-title. I was also trying to strike a pre-emptive blow against the inevitable "oh, the NY Times is a liberal rag, I don't believe anything they say" posts. I don't actually think political persuasion has anything to do with outlook on cars, and certainly not anything to do with your views on the Focus' Powershift. Is the programming on the powershift accessible to outsiders? In other words, could aftermarket companies re-program the system to driver's specific preferences? Or, if the "problems" with powershift are a result of programming for high-MPG, could Ford have dealers simply re-program each car at the dealer's to make it more driveable, but keep the original programming on cars they submit for EPA testing? This seems like something Toyota would do. I'm glad you clarified, it was starting to get ugly in here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I'm glad you clarified, it was starting to get ugly in here... Scarey thing is, some were agreeing with it! Kind of like when Norman Lear invented Archie Bunker, (bigoted, rude, etc.) some people thought he was a hero! Lear and Carroll O'Connor did give him a good heart though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 New York Times only like foreign makes, and even then, thy think we should all live in high rise 'projects' and never drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 NYT is not the first publication to write about the problem with transmission. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I didn't bother read the review because who cares what they think. If this is their first review of the 2012, aren't they late to the game. I own a 2012 Focus and I don't have any problems with shifting that I don't consider normal. With 1942 miles on the odometer, the transmission has smoothed out from what I feel was the break in period. In stop and go traffic the trans does search for the best gear, and at times, to someone who is driving the car for the first time, it may seem to be shifting rough, but to me it's just shifting. When I'm in heavy traffic I use Select Shift. If most of these reviewers who criticize the transmission knew how to drive the car, use the Select Shift option properly or had taken a couple of minutes to read the manual, maybe their opinions would mean more. Exactly..... I've noticed the same thing with the transmission as well (but that's obviously by design). Again I think folks are misunderstanding the Powershift transmission and its purpose. This is not meant to be a performance oriented transmission, and when you keep that in mind and reset expectations the transmission works flawlessly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex D. Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 How long does it take the adaptive programming to learn your driving style? With 2,200 on the clock, mine has smoothed out considerably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 So it seems we are blaming the driver this time around again...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 So it seems we are blaming the driver this time around again...? I dunno...seems like the actual owners of the car have no issues with the transmission vs reviewers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 So it seems we are blaming the driver this time around again...? Have you talked to anyone that owns one by chance? If anything is an issue in these vehicles it's MyFord Touch, not the transmission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Have you talked to anyone that owns one by chance? If anything is an issue in these vehicles it's MyFord Touch, not the transmission. I talked to 2 owners last week, no problems with either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I talked to 2 owners last week, no problems with either. My point exactly. The transmission is as smooth as the one in our 535. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 My link They love it all . . . but HATE the transmission. I have a suggestion for Ford, because between this and the Fiesta it seems writers and people just dont get this transmission....note to FORD...send a friggen tech to explain how the transmission acts and adapts to different driving styles.....THERES NO ISSUE, its about EDUCATING the driver as to how the transmission acts differently to what is considered the norm............OH, and send a SYNC expert too........because the critis sure as hell dont take the time to read the manual and familarise themselves.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevys Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I have a suggestion for Ford, because between this and the Fiesta it seems writers and people just dont get this transmission....note to FORD...send a friggen tech to explain how the transmission acts and adapts to different driving styles.....THERES NO ISSUE, its about EDUCATING the driver as to how the transmission acts differently to what is considered the norm............OH, and send a SYNC expert too........because the critis sure as hell dont take the time to read the manual and familarise themselves.... Surging and grinding noises no issue? Not to me. This is being reported over and over. Let us know what Ford comes up with. If the shift logic is flawed all the education in the world is not going to make a lot of people happy. All of this for a half of a mpg. Ford needs to rethink their strategy here and give better driveability. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) Surging and grinding noises no issue? Not to me. This is being reported over and over. Let us know what Ford comes up with. If the shift logic is flawed all the education in the world is not going to make a lot of people happy. All of this for a half of a mpg. Ford needs to rethink their strategy here and give better driveability. ever heard a Ducati clutch?....it too is dry....whta everyone here bitching is STILL failing to miss, is the OWNERS are fine 99% of the time....why them and not the writers?....explain that logic?.....its because they DONT know...I have a manual AND an auto...I will say it yet again, the trans is FINE...what part of "owners are fine with it" dont people understand...seriously? Read this, post 45 and 46...these are OWNERS not judgemental BONEHEADS quick to cry WITCHCRAFT.... Edited July 19, 2011 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Read this, post 45 and 46...these are OWNERS not judgemental BONEHEADS quick to cry WITCHCRAFT.... So professional auto reviewers writing for the NY Times are not only liberal, but espouse witchcraft as well? :shrug: I suppose the elitists like me who prefer manual transmissions in Ford (and other) automobiles are pretty tame by comparison! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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