KCAPJimmy Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 What are your views on The company trying to eliminate senior employees for the two-tier workers. 1. Will the senior employees ever get a raise, are they waiting on two-tier to catch up to our pay scale? 2. When the two-tier out numbers senior employees, what effect will that have future negotiations of our pay, benefits, and even retirement? 3. Having employees working the same jobs for different pay only creates a situation where the company is pitting union member against union member, how is this productive? Or moral? All comments welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsmeuaw Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 What are your views on The company trying to eliminate senior employees for the two-tier workers. 1. Will the senior employees ever get a raise, are they waiting on two-tier to catch up to our pay scale? 2. When the two-tier out numbers senior employees, what effect will that have future negotiations of our pay, benefits, and even retirement? 3. Having employees working the same jobs for different pay only creates a situation where the company is pitting union member against union member, how is this productive? Or moral? All comments welcome I am a 2 tier <i can not afford a new car ,but the guy next to me make double my paid owns 4 fords ,i being buying a smart car or used car Henry Ford must being turning in his grave ,in his book he said i want to paid my worker enough to buy my product ,and to make sure they did he gave them a discount call a-plan and the extra money i paid my workers i get back in profits from them buying my car ,no profits from me and 1tier said he would not buy another ford if they don't give us what they promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsmeuaw Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 vote no they all think we got no balls they forgot about 2009 no vote when they try to take away our right to strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) What are your views on The company trying to eliminate senior employees for the two-tier workers. 1. Will the senior employees ever get a raise, are they waiting on two-tier to catch up to our pay scale? 2. When the two-tier out numbers senior employees, what effect will that have future negotiations of our pay, benefits, and even retirement? 3. Having employees working the same jobs for different pay only creates a situation where the company is pitting union member against union member, how is this productive? Or moral? All comments welcome Hi KCAP, let me give you a little history lesson to ease your mind. 1. Will the senior employees ever get a raise, are they waiting on two-tier to catch up to our pay scale? I am not sure if you have read the papers lately or if you were around when the Republicans in Washington laughed at what auto workers made, but we have been judged on wages and benefits of the transplants. So if you would like a raise in the near future, I suggest you help out in organizing in the UAW's efforts to increase the transplant members living wage, not to mention that there is an attack on bargaining rights in every state that has a Republican Govenor. So we need to make sure our friends, family and UAW brothers and sisters realize they are putting legislation in today to create mass lay-offs and to eliminate the middle class of America! They are creating poverty in America by reducing education, unemployment, police, fire...every aspect of the middle class and we do not even realize it///WE NEED TO WAKE UP! 2. When the two-tier out numbers senior employees, what effect will that have future negotiations of our pay, benefits, and even retirement? Two-Tier is capped at 20%, so they will never out number the tradition wage member! 3. Having employees working the same jobs for different pay only creates a situation where the company is pitting union member against union member, how is this productive? Or moral? Employees work same jobs for different pay, if you recall in the 2007 negotiations at GM and Chrysler they identified jobs that were core/non-core. Back in the 2003 agreement many locations outsourced their docks, cribs and drivers (few others). It was the 2007 negotiating team that brought this work back. So instead of an outside company paying workers $9-$12 per hour. Your negotiators in 2007 took back this work and instead of identifying core/ non-core they identified which jobs they were and how many heads were tied to it and then identified the percentage of job to work force. that is where the number of 20% came from. So why did they want to get rid of Core/Non-core...pretty simple, why would you tell a shipping clerk, driver or crib attendance with 15-20-30 yrs that they no longer can do the job they have been doing for 10-15 yrs, instead the company is going to put you on the line and work your ass off without regard for seniority and put a new employee with no seniority on your job. Instead, They identified a % and used that so we could protect the senior or good promoitional jobs. Again these jobs that equaled 20% were supposed to be outsourced to another company! Hope that helps you out! Edited October 5, 2011 by Captain723 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) vote no they all think we got no balls they forgot about 2009 no vote when they try to take away our right to strike. Thats not true, all big three can strike over H&S and if your read the language in the GM agreement, it actually does not specifically say that they can't strike! Language is a little unclear, although it does talk around it, does not say they can't! I am sure the company thinks it says that, but it can be looked at with different views! Edited October 6, 2011 by Captain723 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Thats not true, all big three can strike over H&S and if your read the language in the GM agreement, it actually does not specifically say that they can't strike! Language is a little unclear, although it does talk around it, does not say they can't! I am sure the company thinks it says that, but it can be looked at with different views! b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 While 2 tier is capped at 20% for Ford....there is NO cap for GM and Chrysler. How soon will they have more two tier than 1st tier? When that happens, The IUAW will push the same down our throats in order to keep the companies competitive with each other. Something to think about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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