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6 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said:

agree- looks like "110" is the bracket and the tensioner is ¬†what looks like rod going down to block/pan with an oil line attached to it?¬† Or was there some sarcasm in your commentūüėé.¬† In any case can't imagine what the big deal was.¬† You design¬†a new power plant for medium duty and and an air compressor is viewed as an after thought?

 

I'm sure it was more "using an industry standard" and less as "an afterthought"

 

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Well, they say the 7.3L's 'profit center' is the 250-550 Super Duty, so anything specific to the 650 and 750 probably is something of an afterthought.  Given there is probably a lot of room under the hood of a 7.3L powered F-650, Ford probably stuck the air compressor in the most efficient (cheapest) location possible that requires the least number of modifications and unique parts.  Hope that left engine mount is sturdy........ 

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4 hours ago, twintornados said:

 

I'm sure it was more "using an industry standard" and less as "an afterthought"

 

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My point TT was the compressor was not shown when the engine was released.  Then it  takes two years to make it available.  And to 7m3's point that it was an afterthought for 650/750, he may be right  but I would suggest that as the class 6 and 7 markets have no conventional cab with a gas engine,  those two classes were targets right from the beginning.  

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I've seen a new (Avon grille) F750 drill rig and a small crane and both had a Powerstroke Bob!  Also seen were 2 light duty car transports with 3 each blue Amazon Ram Promaster vans on the top deck.  The USPS (Postal Service) has also bought a ton of these and I just saw a UPS one!  How does FCA do it?  What is Ford doing wrong? Why aren't these Transits?

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On 4/24/2020 at 10:35 AM, Joe771476 said:

I've seen a new (Avon grille) F750 drill rig and a small crane and both had a Powerstroke Bob!  Also seen were 2 light duty car transports with 3 each blue Amazon Ram Promaster vans on the top deck.  The USPS (Postal Service) has also bought a ton of these and I just saw a UPS one!  How does FCA do it?  What is Ford doing wrong? Why aren't these Transits?

Cost. They are not Transits because Ram is discounting to move whatever they can.

 

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Yes.  These are big fleet sales and Ram had a lower bid than Ford.  I figure the Promaster probably costs FCA quite a bit less to build because it's built in Mexico, a Fiat design, and is front wheel drive.

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5 hours ago, ausrutherford said:

Promaster has also been around since 2006. Its coming up on 15 years old.

 

It's a box with an engine in it, the fleet buyers could care less if it gets the job done.  Just means the tooling has been amortized for longer and the margins are higher. 

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On 4/26/2020 at 7:26 PM, ausrutherford said:

Promaster has also been around since 2006. Its coming up on 15 years old.

 

The E series is what? almost as old as me...which would be about 45 years old? :)

 

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Got the opportunity to pop the hood on a 7.3 powered 650 yesterday.  Note alternator position.  The compressor will mount next to  that per previous picture posted-that big pulley is going to be tight.  Oil fill on street side-can't understand why they didn't put a neck on that.  All fluids checked from curb side.  

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Just happened to think- not exactly apples to apples but this is an International CV- or Chevy if you prefer.  19.5 rubber.  

 

Sorry- just uploaded 3 pix of the 7.3 -one at a time-¬† and now I'm getting the .."can't upload more than 10MB.¬†¬†¬†Is this¬†a daily limit??ūüėě

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On 4/24/2020 at 7:35 AM, Joe771476 said:

I've seen a new (Avon grille) F750 drill rig and a small crane and both had a Powerstroke Bob!  Also seen were 2 light duty car transports with 3 each blue Amazon Ram Promaster vans on the top deck.  The USPS (Postal Service) has also bought a ton of these and I just saw a UPS one!  How does FCA do it?  What is Ford doing wrong? Why aren't these Transits?

 

Ford sells plenty of Transit to Amazon, USPS, and UPS as well. In fact, that is the reason why Transit sales are going gangbusters. Ford can only build so many so there is room for Ram to bottom feed on the margins. 

 

 

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On 4/24/2020 at 9:35 AM, Joe771476 said:

I've seen a new (Avon grille) F750 drill rig and a small crane and both had a Powerstroke Bob!  Also seen were 2 light duty car transports with 3 each blue Amazon Ram Promaster vans on the top deck.  The USPS (Postal Service) has also bought a ton of these and I just saw a UPS one!  How does FCA do it?  What is Ford doing wrong? Why aren't these Transits?

If you're talking about Amazon, they are. Amazon has been buying Transits, Promasters, and Sprinters--there's a big UPS/Amazon hub down the road from my office and a holding lot for new Amazon vans even closer, so I see a LOT of them. I'd imagine that which ones they buy in any given purchase has more to do with which ones come in with the lowest bid when Amazon puts out that RFP than anything else. 

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11 hours ago, twintornados said:

Ok, who wants to buy an LTL9000 in the Albany NY area??

https://utica.craigslist.org/hvo/d/albany-1994-ford-ltl9000/7094276189.html

 

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Always a turn off when they don't show under hood, Body raised, frame close ups if its a double frame etc.

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I'm seeing an abnormal amount of Western Stars lately.  Are they giving them away?  Construction Magazine had a 2 page Western Star ad. They just recently sold their 200,000th truck. Maybe Daimler doesn't think that number is high enough!  They dropped Sterling for supposedly lackluster sales!  Like I've said before, if they dropped Western Star, those logging boys up in the northwest corner would go bonkers!  And Daimler knows it!

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3 hours ago, Joe771476 said:

I'm seeing an abnormal amount of Western Stars lately.  Are they giving them away?  Construction Magazine had a 2 page Western Star ad. They just recently sold their 200,000th truck. Maybe Daimler doesn't think that number is high enough!  They dropped Sterling for supposedly lackluster sales!  Like I've said before, if they dropped Western Star, those logging boys up in the northwest corner would go bonkers!  And Daimler knows it!

Joe, I think  Daimler is making a concerted effort to make Western Star the off road/vocational truck of  choice vs. Freightliner-just as Volvo  is trying to  make Mack their vocational brand.  If you look at the monthly sales rags-TBG and Truck and Equipment Post for New England you will see the bulk of the new heavy tandems/triaxles that Freightliner dealers are stocking are W'stars.

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19 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said:

Joe, I think  Daimler is making a concerted effort to make Western Star the off road/vocational truck of  choice vs. Freightliner-just as Volvo  is trying to  make Mack their vocational brand.  If you look at the monthly sales rags-TBG and Truck and Equipment Post for New England you will see the bulk of the new heavy tandems/triaxles that Freightliner dealers are stocking are W'stars.

 

Interesting that there is that "split" by both of those two...makes Alan Mullaly's "One Ford" concept more interesting, especially in medium and heavy trucks.

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3 hours ago, twintornados said:

 

Interesting that there is that "split" by both of those two...makes Alan Mullaly's "One Ford" concept more interesting, especially in medium and heavy trucks.

Well TT I think the "split" is just on the marketing side.  Under the hood, the powertrains in a  WS is the corporate hardware- same as if it a F-liner Coronado or a WS.  Same with Volvo.  There is no more  exclusive Mack powertrain.  The engines that come out of the former Mack Hagerstown plant end up in a Volvo or a  Mack......"One Volvo, One Daimler" as I  see it.   Daimler recognizes there are still a lot of old guys who grew up with Macks.  My fear is some day the Swedes will say....."but most of these guys are dead!.  Why do we have duplicated marketing staffs blah blah"- 

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On 5/14/2020 at 10:01 AM, Bob Rosadini said:

Joe, I think  Daimler is making a concerted effort to make Western Star the off road/vocational truck of  choice vs. Freightliner-just as Volvo  is trying to  make Mack their vocational brand.  If you look at the monthly sales rags-TBG and Truck and Equipment Post for New England you will see the bulk of the new heavy tandems/triaxles that Freightliner dealers are stocking are W'stars.

 

Yep....Daimler is no longer running Freightliner and Western Star as separate brands like they used to.  They are going to make them more complimentary going forward where Western Star is the premium vocational brand and Freightliner is the on-highway / medium duty brand.

 

They are certainly not giving away Western Stars right now.  They are the most expensive truck out there.  

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