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I take what Ernie said was a diplomatic way of saying that the Fiesta is stuck with the dry clutch Powershift, but Ford has

decided not to use it in the Focus 1.0 EB 125hp.

 

BTW, the dry clutch Powershift in the Fiesta 1.0 EB is paired with the lower hp 100hp only, not the 125hp output EB.

Not in Asia and Australia where both Fiesta 1.0 EB manual and auto come with 92 Kw (123 hp) engine....

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i dont give a royal cats ass what ford has to do or build..I want a 50mpg or more fiesta..if that can be expanded to other models so be it..50plus mpg is all I care about in a grocery getter..

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The difference between 41 mpg and 50 mpg at 15K miles per year is roughly $200/yr or about 50 cents per day.

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The difference between 41 mpg and 50 mpg at 15K miles per year is roughly $200/yr or about 50 cents per day.

 

Precisely! People don't get that adding a few MPG in a smaller vehicle that gets 40 MPG already is pennies compared to adding that same few MPG to a truck getting 18-20. You gotta look at percentages, not absolute numbers.

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i dont care if its $3.56 savings/year..what you fail to understand is thats my money..not the damn oil companies...its mine..not yours..not theres...see when you get done hugging the tree its quite simple..50mpg good..25mpg not so good

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i dont give a royal cats ass what ford has to do or build..I want a 50mpg or more fiesta..if that can be expanded to other models so be it..50plus mpg is all I care about in a grocery getter..

You can't always get what you want. But if you try, sometimes you just might find you get what you need.

 

Sorry, nobody is turning 50's city and highway with ice's; it's not a piece of cake. To get 50's, you need either a much more expensive diesel, or some sort of electric mix -- either in hybrid, erev, or bev which is also expensive.

 

Don't be angry -- just act. If you want to really reduce costs per mile, then get a Focus BEV or a Leaf or maybe even a Volt. Then your cost per mile will be about 2-3 cents or so, or about 25% of the cost for fuel for a fantasy gasoline ICE car that gets 50 mpg under all conditions. This will result in you giving less of your money to the oil companies, but your upfront costs will be higher. Whether that you pay for itself is TBD based on your personal situation.

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You can't always get what you want. But if you try, sometimes you just might find you get what you need.

 

Sorry, nobody is turning 50's city and highway with ice's; it's not a piece of cake. To get 50's, you need either a much more expensive diesel, or some sort of electric mix -- either in hybrid, erev, or bev which is also expensive.

 

Don't be angry -- just act. If you want to really reduce costs per mile, then get a Focus BEV or a Leaf or maybe even a Volt. Then your cost per mile will be about 2-3 cents or so, or about 25% of the cost for fuel for a fantasy gasoline ICE car that gets 50 mpg under all conditions. This will result in you giving less of your money to the oil companies, but your upfront costs will be higher. Whether that you pay for itself is TBD based on your personal situation.

well, he can get closer if he migrates to a country with Imperial gallons......lol

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Assuming 10,000 miles traveled

 

At 40 mpg, that's 250 gallons used

At 45 mpg, that's 222 gallons used

At 50 mpg, that's 200 gallons used

 

So, going from 40 mpg to 45 mpg saves 28 gallons in 10,000 miles, that's like $85

and going from 45 mpg to 45 mpg saves 22 gallons in 10,000 miles, that's like $65

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Great chart!

Now it is easy to see why the pickups are the first choice to go Aluminum. This will put the most money in customers pockets, and help pay for the price of the more expensive metal. An aluminum Fiesta or CMax would be useless.

 

Also, in order to raise the CAFE average, it makes more sense to improve the fuel economy of the least efficient products (especially if they sell the most units).

 

Ford's plan is a good one.

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i dont care if its $3.56 savings/year..what you fail to understand is thats my money..not the damn oil companies...its mine..not yours..not theres...see when you get done hugging the tree its quite simple..50mpg good..25mpg not so good

 

Wait wait wait... you come up here demanding a 50-mpg Fiesta... and call someone else a tree hugger?

 

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Great chart!

Now it is easy to see why the pickups are the first choice to go Aluminum. This will put the most money in customers pockets, and help pay for the price of the more expensive metal. An aluminum Fiesta or CMax would be useless.

 

Also, in order to raise the CAFE average, it makes more sense to improve the fuel economy of the least efficient products (especially if they sell the most units).

 

Ford's plan is a good one.

Exactly.

The savings going from 20 to 25 mpg are much greater than those associated with going from 40 to 45 mpg.

In 10,000 miles of driving, the first scenario saves 100 gallons of fuel, the second scenario saves 28 gallons.

 

With trucks, there's a lot of benefit for raising fuel economy from 18/21 mpg area up to 28-30 mpg

and similarly with cars, going from 28/30 mpg to 40/42 mpg adds up to significant savings.

 

The higher we get with fuel economy, the lesser the returns become. To save 100 gallons on a 40 mpg vehicle,

the fuel economy would have to rise to just over 66 mpg.....

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The higher we get with fuel economy, the lesser the returns become. To save 100 gallons on a 40 mpg vehicle,

the fuel economy would have to rise to just over 66 mpg.....

 

And that's why small-car diesels make such exquisite sense? :)

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And that's why small-car diesels make such exquisite sense? :)

FYI, the 1.6 diesel Focus is rated at a combined 4.2 l/100km which is 20% better than the 1.0 EB Focus at 5.0 l/100 km.

Oddly enough, the two have similar 0-100 kph acceleration of 10.8/10.9 seconds.

 

The real issue is perceived need for greater fuel economy,

1) Ford needs to stay ahead of CAFE limits that now increase annually.

2) Adding the EB 1.0 to North America is obviously way cheaper for Ford to do than the diesel

3) Most US buyers see increased fuel economy in ICEs as continual improvement, something manufacturers should do without a premium..

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FYI, the 1.6 diesel Focus is rated at a combined 4.2 l/100km which is 20% better than the 1.0 EB Focus at 5.0 l/100 km.

Oddly enough, the two have similar 0-100 kph acceleration of 10.8/10.9 seconds.

 

The real issue is perceived need for greater fuel economy,

1) Ford needs to stay ahead of CAFE limits that now increase annually.

2) Adding the EB 1.0 to North America is obviously way cheaper for Ford to do than the diesel

3) Most US buyers see increased fuel economy in ICEs as continual improvement, something manufacturers should do without a premium..

 

What is the premium of the diesel over the 1.0 EB?

 

And you're #3 item is very important, and that's why diesels are a tough sell here in the US. Heaven forbid we actually have to pay for that ourselves!

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What is the premium of the diesel over the 1.0 EB?

 

And you're #3 item is very important, and that's why diesels are a tough sell here in the US. Heaven forbid we actually have to pay for that ourselves!

On the UK price list it's not that much, all figures in pounds:

 

Focus Edge 5 Door:

1.6 5 Speed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,£15,890.00

1.0T 5 Speed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,£16,515.00 .......that looks like about +$1,000

1.6 TDCi 6 Speed,,,,,,,,,,,, £17,115.00.......that looks like about +$900

 

UK prices can be deceptive, the whole shooting box could be thousands higher than US pricing

and without a frame of reference, those prices could equate to $23K, $24K and $25K respectively

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there is nothing that says ford cannot adjust the price of the 1.0 later.

 

The real question is what else is Ford going to do to boost 2015 Focus sales and improve utilization at MAP?

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Why do they need to boost sales of the worlds best selling car?

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Why do they need to boost sales of the worlds best selling car?

 

because sales are starting to slip and cars like the Corolla and Civic are catching up. At least in NA. My paychecks are feeling it.

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because sales are starting to slip and cars like the Corolla and Civic are catching up. At least in NA. My paychecks are feeling it.

 

Well, that's why refreshes exist. Corolla and Civic are newer than Focus, so now it's time for Focus to be tweaked.

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On the UK price list it's not that much, all figures in pounds:

 

Focus Edge 5 Door:

1.6 5 Speed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,£15,890.00

1.0T 5 Speed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,£16,515.00 .......that looks like about +$1,000

1.6 TDCi 6 Speed,,,,,,,,,,,, £17,115.00.......that looks like about +$900

 

UK prices can be deceptive, the whole shooting box could be thousands higher than US pricing

and without a frame of reference, those prices could equate to $23K, $24K and $25K respectively

 

Those additional prices for the diesel are not way out of whack (IMO) unlike US prices. Diesel emissions there are not as strict as the US though, are they

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Those additional prices for the diesel are not way out of whack (IMO) unlike US prices. Diesel emissions there are not as strict as the US though, are they

Yes, that's true, the prices don't include all the additional costs that would need to be applied to make that diesel US compliant.

And there's the rub for US consumers , in order to get that brilliant fuel economy and emission compliance... you have to pay for it.

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In my country Euro pricing Focus Trend , Trend Sport, Titanium

1,0L EcoBoost 125hp Hatchback 6spd. Manual 16 900 € 17 400 € 18 500 €

1,6L TDCi 115hp Hatchback 6spd. Manual 18 400 € 19 000 € 20 000 €

 

Almost USD$2,100.00 more for the diesel

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In my country Euro pricing Focus Trend , Trend Sport, Titanium

1,0L EcoBoost 125hp Hatchback 6spd. Manual 16 900 € 17 400 € 18 500 €

1,6L TDCi 115hp Hatchback 6spd. Manual 18 400 € 19 000 € 20 000 €

 

Almost USD$2,100.00 more for the diesel

And that's what I explained in the prices I quoted above, but that doesn't include the extra costs of making

that diesel US emission compliant.....all of that against fuel that is half the price compared to Europe.

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Yes, that's true, the prices don't include all the additional costs that would need to be applied to make that diesel US compliant.

And there's the rub for US consumers , in order to get that brilliant fuel economy and emission compliance... you have to pay for it.

 

And then you get to pay more for the fuel on top of it.

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In overboost (30 seconds), that goes up to 148 lb ft...so the equation is a little better.

 

Markets with 1.6 Focus will see the i.0 EB as an improvement but the Nth American 2.0 DI only Focus market not so much

You touched on this, however all but few actually realized that 1.0EB in NA Focus will be the base engine, not an upgrade!

In NA, when there are upcharges for EB vs. base engines, the EB always have similar or better power numbers than the base engines, so Ford can market EBs as "No Compromise" choices, as in you don't lose anything (in performance) while gaining better fuel efficiency. That's the logic behind Ford's EB upcharge.

In '15 Focus' case, 1.0EB is the base engine that offers less performance, matched with the base tranny. I really don't see Ford would ask for an upcharge over the 2.0DI.

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