fuzzymoomoo Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 the jalopnik article that OP posted said 320hp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I am curious to hear why they're all being built in Germany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 fuzzy...I will stick with fords release....Im guessing more.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Everything I've seen has been saying at least 315-320HP...so figure more. As for why its being built in Germany, I don't see a huge market for the RS in the states, maybe 2500-5000 units a year. Its a "cheap" (for Ford to do) Halo car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 This is he AWD system I Was expecting for the RS and Other Ford performance vehicle. focus_rs_awd_EU.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) Some claimed RS would be "FWD only for USA", and I didn't believe that, why would they bother? But glad they were wrong! Edited February 3, 2015 by 630land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinx8402 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 The video that Biker posted says more than 320ps, which would be approximately 315hp. Of course, it does say "more than", so we don't know exactly what that final number is quite yet, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) Projected to produce well in excess of 315 horsepower, the custom unit shares its fundamental structure with the all-aluminum 2.3-liter four-cylinder engine in the all-new Mustang, but has been significantly upgraded through a comprehensive package of design changes. Edited February 3, 2015 by Biker16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Then there's that chip-tweaker from Ford Racing; maybe they'll have an 'optimized' tune for the RS eventually? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Ford did the same thing when Mustang was first revealed... final horsepower rating is pending emission calibration and competitive factors. Power is inversely related to fuel consumption and emission... Ford has to find the right balance. I'm guessing the final production version will be 330hp, which leaves plenty of room for the eventual RS500 version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I am curious to hear why they're all being built in Germany Saarlouis already does AWD installs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Saarlouis already does AWD installs. what else do they build there? I know almost nothing about Ford's euro ops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) This is he AWD system I Was expecting for the RS and Other Ford performance vehicle. focus_rs_awd_EU.pdf FordFocusRS_AWD_01.jpg If these quotes constitute a prediction that Ford was going to basicallty use Honda's SH-AWD system, then Nostradamus predicted 9/11: at this point in the cycle of this Archtectrue adding AWD is parts bin stuff. In summary Ford should develop general AWD system including differentials for both 4WD and full time AWD, including necessary drivetrain mechanicals. I never said center differential. If anything I differential is the wrong terminology to describe a clutch based transverse AWD system, but the intention would be to have a system much like today's Intelligent AWD used on the escape and fusion, but offer variants of that system that can operate in a more flexible fashion than the "slip and send" system used today something that can offer the performance attributes that buyers of the focus RS or fusion ST would demand. Along with a bit more aggressive Varian for off reading, not a low range 4wd, but something more capable than the system today. Either way the difference between these variant could be clutch pack and the ability to send over 50% of torque to the rear wheels. just a thought. Edited February 3, 2015 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Because, I can tell you, this is *nothing* like iAWD. Nothing like it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Saarlouis already does AWD installs. they haven't had AWD since they moved the Kuga to Spain. The change from FWD to AWD is more of achnage to the Chassis line,and it's not worth doing it in MAP for the RS. If they can Eport the RS to the ROW they could build a AWD lincoln there too for Asia and the US. what else do they build there? I know almost nothing about Ford's euro ops. C-max C-max 7 Focus wagon Focus Hatch Focus Electric? C-max HEV/PHEV? If these quotes constitute a prediction that Ford was going to basicallty use Honda's SH-AWD system, then Nostradamus predicted 9/11: Richard I think My point was the iAWD would not cut it for performance vehicles espcially the RS, I am happy with the solution they developed. Because, I can tell you, this is *nothing* like iAWD. Nothing like it at all. Are you being sarcastic? What could be shared with more pedestrian iAWD: IRS module front and rear half shafts Drive shaft Power takeoff unit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Great, so when do they make one in something other than a dinky hatchback? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 You want a wagon RS? Wait til 'Heck' freezes over. Maybe they can do a C-Max RS? [nahh] Or Escape RS? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 C-max C-max 7 Focus wagon Focus Hatch Focus Electric? C-max HEV/PHEV? I know the only thing there you're wrong about is C-Max HEV/PHEV. MAP builds all of those, and the only one that gets exported is PHEV, and even that only started back in October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Great, so when do they make one in something other than a dinky hatchback? oh shut up and go buy a raptor! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 @probowler....when drastic weight reduction happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) Richard I think My point was the iAWD would not cut it for performance vehicles espcially the RS, I am happy with the solution they developed. Are you being sarcastic? What could be shared with more pedestrian iAWD: IRS module front and rear half shafts Drive shaft Power takeoff unit There's a huge difference between "I am happy with..." and "I was expecting...." Further, on that list, the only nominally shareable component is the IRS module, which--however--probably contains a number of custom pieces on the RS. - You cannot possibly share the PTU between iAWD and this system. It is absolutely flat out impossible. The iAWD PTU is a series of electromechanical clutches that cannot operate in full-time AWD mode, it contains no center differential, and can transfer as much as 100% of engine output to the default 'off' axle. The PTU on the RS system contains a center differential, provides power full time to both axles between a maximum of 70% and a minimum of 30%, and the torque transfer is not effected in the PTU, but in the electromechanically controlled clutch packs on either side of planetary differential at the rear axle. And because every aspect of this AWD system differs from the iAWD system, I would be astounded if *any* prop shaft from the central drive shaft to the individual half-shafts can be shared with an iAWD system. Nor do I see even the slightest possible reason for sharing the likely exotic components in this RS with quotidian AWD vehicles. Edited February 3, 2015 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 By the way, "PTU" stands for 'power transfer unit', not 'power takeoff unit'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I don't think the Ford Performance AWD setup uses a center diff. It has a PTU and a rear diff with clutches on either half shaft. More similar to the current ford AWD setup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Fuzzy55 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I can't wait to see one in person. I think the version that we are seeing is the European model The front will probably change for the US model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I can't wait to see one in person. I think the version that we are seeing is the European model The front will probably change for the US model. I don't think so. US and Euro spec Focus is identical in appearance, as well as the ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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