MGolden Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 What is the new displacement of the 6.2 engine at Romeo for the Superduty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Because the market demands a utility, not a sedan. Like a fwd luxury sedan in a rwd dominated market?...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I'm saying that the 3rd product discussed as going to Chicago, in addition to Explorer and PIU, is a utility. Looking at it again it probably would be Aviator, maybe Taurus to Canada if at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 MKC will probably join Focus in Mexico to make room for more Escape in Louisville. No mention of the "Prius" fighter... I guess if it happens, it will be made in Mexico with the rest of the Focus family. I would think UAW will fight to keep PHEV production in the US but they really just want the big bonus checks from building SUVs. Nothing wrong with that... until the next downturn. Flat Rock is also very cryptic... Fusion is staying for now but Ford won't commit to next generation. No way that plant can stay in business with just Mustang and Continental. That opens the door for... wait for it... CD4 Taurus The new product in Chicago is obviously next generation CD6 Lincoln MKT (I doubt the Aviator name will return). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 And the product TBA at Chicago isn't Taurus... think about it, guys. Chicago will be building 3 utility variants that share a platform.... Crazy talk...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Ford is already limiting Taurus production becuase of the Explorer now Do have to say it is intresting that Ford thinks Flat rock will be busy with just the Mustang and Contiental...both products that will be lucky to sell 150-175k units combined Yep... something probably has to go there eventually if Fusion/MKZ goes back sole source from Hermosillo. Maybe Escape/MKC overflow. Or Transit Connect. Or the new PHEV? Or... Taurus I see the PI sedan follow the Explorer/PIU, aka CD6. Whatever wheels drive the Utes, that's what PI will get. The UAW agreement says Taurus will stick around until the end of the product cycle. Nothing about a new one so if Explorer/Chicago moves to CD6, PI sedan will just disappear with Taurus. Edited November 10, 2015 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Taurus sales have been horrible the past two years...they are down to 33K sales YTD vs 45k for the same time period last year. PI sales are flat. I know some of it is from limiting sales due to the Explorer, but if they did the Chinese Tarsus with a new front clip and build it with the Contentinal, Id think it would still be worth while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpvbs Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 What a out the upgraded Navigator? If it is supposed to be a Range Rover fighter, will it still be BOF Expedition cousin? I would think it would move to a more sophisticated unibody platform. Maybe that will slot in at Chicago or Flatrock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 What a out the upgraded Navigator? If it is supposed to be a Range Rover fighter, will it still be BOF Expedition cousin? I would think it would move to a more sophisticated unibody platform. Maybe that will slot in at Chicago or Flatrock. Nope. Navigator production is not changing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 What a out the upgraded Navigator? If it is supposed to be a Range Rover fighter, will it still be BOF Expedition cousin? I would think it would move to a more sophisticated unibody platform. Maybe that will slot in at Chicago or Flatrock. Yes, it'll still be related to Expedition, but they'll both be aluminum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 So is it smart for Ford to be aiming the Aviator as a Range Rover fighter? I know a lot of people here have been less than impressed with Caddy trying to make BMW fighters. I'm not complaining, I'm actually glad that they finally want to elevate Lincoln, because 2000's Lincoln was a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I don't see Aviator as a Range Rover competitor - and just because it's RWD doesn't mean it will be a BMW fighter. It needs to appeal to Ford and Lincoln buyers and not be overpriced. Just a nice upgrade from Explorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I don't see Aviator as a Range Rover competitor - and just because it's RWD doesn't mean it will be a BMW fighter. It needs to appeal to Ford and Lincoln buyers and not be overpriced. Just a nice upgrade from Explorer.And I don't see why it can't or shouldn't be. Give people an alternative that's better than what the Range Rover has to offer. Just don't try to be Land Rover. Leave that nonsense to Cadillac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 So is it smart for Ford to be aiming the Aviator as a Range Rover fighter? I know a lot of people here have been less than impressed with Caddy trying to make BMW fighters. I'm not complaining, I'm actually glad that they finally want to elevate Lincoln, because 2000's Lincoln was a joke. Navigator* aimed at Range Rover. I think it's a great move, and coincides with improving the entire lineup and representing where they want to go with the brand. They just need to make sure they truly do go all-out with it. I view the future Aviator as a sort of Range Rover Sport "competitor" (though not sure if it'll be billed as such). That said, Cadillac takes the approach of "oh look there's a BMW, let's make the same product in Cadillac clothing." Lincoln, on the other hand, won't be going that way about it. While they might be targeting the Range Rover, I think they're viewing it more in the "status" sense. As in it's going to compete with Range Rover in presence, design, luxury, and on-road performance, not that it's a Range Rover in Lincoln clothing. For example, it won't have the off-road capabilities of the Range Rovers. Might it add Terrain Response like the Explorer has? Perhaps, but they're not going to be advertising it as the "go anywhere ultimate off-road luxury SUV" that can ford rivers and climb rocks like Range Rover, that would simply be an additional feature it offers.....it'd be more billed as a luxury SUV that has a Terrain Response system for the added confidence in all terrain types. See the difference there? Caddy makes a competitor clone, Lincoln will make their take on the competitor's product and target different attributes as priorities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Then there's the Porsche Cayenne part of the SUV market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) I see Aviator needing (nearly) as much interior room as the Flex. <br/> & <br/> Which RR/LR has that? <br/> + (re: Navi) which is based on an aluminium pickup? <br/> just saying I don't see RR/LR comparos for either Edited November 10, 2015 by 2b2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) I see Aviator needing (nearly) as much interior room as the Flex. <br/> & <br/> Which RR/LR has that? <br/> + (re: Navi) which is based on an aluminium pickup? <br/> just saying I don't see RR/LR comparos for either I don't think you need to confuse or trick people into thinking there's a (RR/LR) in front of them... you just need to build a vehicle that compellingly competes for those customers. Edited November 10, 2015 by probowler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Navigator* aimed at Range Rover. See the difference there? Caddy makes a competitor clone, Lincoln will make their take on the competitor's product and target different attributes as priorities. Yes, XT5, Escalade and CT6 yells autobhan!!!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 What is the new displacement of the 6.2 engine at Romeo for the Superduty? Good question-think F-650-750. No mention of the 6.8 anywhere. How big can the 6.2 go? I do believe others have mentioned that the 6.2 had durability issues for medium duty but the fact remains, a good reliable gasoline engine that can be converted to a gaseous engine should have a future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Not holding my breath, the CAW contract runs out next year and I think Oakville is pretty much sole source for the Edge worldwide outside of China An insider confirmed that Flex is a "dead man walking" He couldn't remember if it died at the end of 2016 or 2017MY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 An insider confirmed that Flex is a "dead man walking" He couldn't remember if it died at the end of 2016 or 2017MY. I'm sorry - we can't accept insider info without employment confirmation (paystub is fine) plus a notarized statement with at least 2 witnesses. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 It's not like the we don't know that the Flex is going away...have a feeling it will reach the end of the line before the Tarasus does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Why does the Taurus have to go anywhere in the lineup? They just announced 9 billion in plant work. Import the 40k they sell here from China. Edited November 10, 2015 by jasonj80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) I think Ford will pull the plug on all the D3/D4 cars at the same time... They continue to exists now because of Explorer. When Explorer goes to CD6, Taurus and Flex will be done. MKT will be redesigned with Explorer. Edited November 10, 2015 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) I'm guessing Oakville for the MKC movement when the next generation comes out for a few reasons, Canada has a MUCH better trade agreement with China for autos and could compliment the MKX as exports. With the new government and low oil prices the Canadian dollar will continue to fall to $1.40/$1.50 in the next year making it attractive for exports. Doing this could allow the next MKC to move off the C platform to a shortend CD4 sharing more things with the MKX & even Continental (suspension components, vehicle electronic architecture, seats, etc). Lincoln could absorb the cost of putting a small SUV on a more expensive but better platform where the Escape's Market Price point couldn't absorb it. It would also allow Ford to launch the next MKC earlier than the next Escape, which would allow the plant to run full Escapes for a while (6-8months) building up inventories while the plant is shut down leading to the new Escape. You also then have moved all Lincoln's volume product to one platform in different lengths, which could even be used for a small Lincoln car. (Editied to fix typos from doing this post on my phone...) Edited November 11, 2015 by jasonj80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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